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carte de legitimation naturalisation

Hello,

Concerning regular naturalization, does living with a "carte de legitimation" for 14 years count towards the requirements for regular naturalization just like any of the other Permis (B,C)? Has anyone done this or knows of those who have.
The issue here is one does not pay tax while on the the "carte de legitimation" so I was wondering if this will be an issue.

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Old 12.04.2010, 15:03
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

Probably as I know that time here as a uni student counts less as you are not contributing taxes.
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Old 12.04.2010, 15:09
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

Difficult to give a clear answer. The requirements are to have 12y legal residency in switzerland and to be able to live on your own revenues, and that a commune and canton accept to give you citizenship.
So theoretically you meet these requirements.
I think the most reliable answer could come from the ODM (office des migrations).
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Probably as I know that time here as a uni student counts less as you are not contributing taxes.
In the case of students, is paying tax the reason? I was under the impression that time spent on a permit issued for education purposes didn't count towards a C permit as you are expected to leave after your course finishes. The students (and postdocs) I know are paying tax on their graduate incomes yet still have a restriction on their permits.
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

Why not write and ask the people who know?

natuinfo@etat.ge.ch
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Old 12.04.2010, 16:33
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Hello,

Concerning regular naturalization, does living with a "carte de legitimation" for 14 years count towards the requirements for regular naturalization just like any of the other Permis (B,C)? Has anyone done this or knows of those who have.
The issue here is one does not pay tax while on the the "carte de legitimation" so I was wondering if this will be an issue.

Thanks
Yes it does.
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Yes it does.
For now. Act quickly.
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For now. Act quickly.
Exactly. They were discussing this very thing on the radio this morning and how the necessity to hold a C permit to get citizenship would impact on the employees holding carte de legitimation.
It will only become an issue if/when the new proposals come into force of course.
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

I'm quite concerned about it as well. I hold a carte de légitimation (international civil servant), and my family and I (all EU citizens) already qualify for naturalisation under current law now. However, if/when the new law passes, the carte de legitimation will be useless for naturalization

My main concern is my children. They have lived here for their whole lives, so I'd like them to be able to stay in CH if I ever get transferred to another country.

Of course, if we naturalize my children would have to do military service, and there's tons of tax / AVS issues to consider.
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Of course, if we naturalize my children would have to do military service, and there's tons of tax / AVS issues to consider.
That comment can only come from international civil servant that pay no taxes. So of course it could look like "tons of tax" to you...but this is what normal people pay for all the infrastructure you also use.
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

This post is a bit old but Im concern about this topic. After how many years with Carte de Legitimation D as an employee of an International organisation can someone apply for naturalisation?

If is even possible?
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This post is a bit old but Im concern about this topic. After how many years with Carte de Legitimation D as an employee of an International organisation can someone apply for naturalisation?

If is even possible?
Depends on what the new law says about it. It's due to come into force in about a month iirc.
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This post is a bit old but Im concern about this topic. After how many years with Carte de Legitimation D as an employee of an International organisation can someone apply for naturalisation?

If is even possible?
Under the new law a C permit is needed before an application can be made. Unless there exists some way to go from a carte de legitimation to a C permit, I think that would rule out carte de legitimation holders from applying for naturalization.

If you have already been here for twelve years, you have a window to apply before the new law comes into force.
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Under the new law a C permit is needed before an application can be made. Unless there exists some way to go from a carte de legitimation to a C permit, I think that would rule out carte de legitimation holders from applying for naturalization.

If you have already been here for twelve years, you have a window to apply before the new law comes into force.
Any link where I can consult this new law?
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

There's a thread about it here on the forum, but I can't find it. Couldn't see anything on the www.parlament.ch site either.
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

For the official text of the 20th June 2014 revision of the law keep watching this space
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifie...990/index.html

Currently the digital version is not available. Maybe it gets published when the law comes into force.

Meanwhile the published parliamentary decision (in German) is at
http://www.admin.ch/opc/de/federal-g.../2014/5133.pdf
See page 5135 onwards

Meanwhile on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_n...ationality_Law
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Re: carte de legitimation naturalisation

Here is a french version of the new law:
http://www.admin.ch/opc/fr/federal-g.../2014/5001.pdf

Taken from another thread "Swiss Citizenship after 8 years?", where this topic (carte de legitimation naturalisation) is also being discussed.
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That comment can only come from international civil servant that pay no taxes. So of course it could look like "tons of tax" to you...but this is what normal people pay for all the infrastructure you also use.
And this comment can only come from someone who has no clue what international civil servants are or are required to pay, including taxes. Yet dares to comment.
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And this comment can only come from someone who has no clue what international civil servants are or are required to pay, including taxes. Yet dares to comment.
What international civil servants pay depends upon the Host Country agreement relating to the International Organisation's headquarters or local office. It is UN policy to pay any income tax levied on the salary of its civil servants. In the USA that means that US Persons assessed tax by the IRS have that tax paid by the UN (after some instances where the tax was not paid, the UN began issuing checks jointly to the employee and the IRS).

I assume (but do not know) that a similar arrangement exists in relation to Swiss citizens and taxable residents subjected to tax for employment by an IO in Switzerland.

I used to be friendly with a German national, a UN employee in Geneva married to a Swiss, who deferred seeking naturalisation until his retirement. I don't think taxes were the main issue, but I've lost touch with him.
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What international civil servants pay depends upon the Host Country agreement relating to the International Organisation's headquarters or local office. It is UN policy to pay any income tax levied on the salary of its civil servants. In the USA that means that US Persons assessed tax by the IRS have that tax paid by the UN (after some instances where the tax was not paid, the UN began issuing checks jointly to the employee and the IRS).

I assume (but do not know) that a similar arrangement exists in relation to Swiss citizens and taxable residents subjected to tax for employment by an IO in Switzerland..
This is only a partial information. Employees of international organizations, UN in particular, do pay staff assessment. This is a UN imposed tax on their employees, precisely in order not to give preferential treatment to their employees over global workforce. The staff assessment goes to the Tax Equalization fund.

US citizens, in addition, pay standard taxes to the US government. These are then reimbursed to those staff members - whose salaries are still in any case assessed. The reimbursement comes from the Tax Equalization fund.

More here:

http://www.un.org/depts/oppba/accoun...faqs/faq02.htm

https://info.undp.org/global/popp/hr...ff-assess.aspx
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