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Old 16.04.2010, 10:39
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Traveling with B permit

I have one question. If person lives in Switzerland with B permit but has non Eu passport which needs tourist visa for most countries. Can that person travel without getting tourist visas because has B permit. Does B permit allows traveling inside schengen although that would not be possible if person lives in home county.

In Swiss embassy told me that B permit allows traveling inside schengen even if passport does not, but I doubt little bit in that information.

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Old 16.04.2010, 11:59
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I have one question. If person lives in Switzerland with B permit but has non Eu passport which needs tourist visa for most countries. Can that person travel without getting tourist visas because has B permit. Does B permit allows traveling inside schengen although that would not be possible if person lives in home county.

In Swiss embassy told me that B permit allows traveling inside schengen even if passport does not, but I doubt little bit in that information.

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You're already in the Schengen region - you do not need additional visas.
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Old 16.04.2010, 12:02
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In Swiss embassy told me that B permit allows traveling inside schengen even if passport does not, but I doubt little bit in that information.

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You do not need to doubt that, your Swiss permit, is treated like an ID card (you do not need a passport to travel around Schengen). it is totally legal and ok... just have fun and make sure that the country you want to travel to is in the schengen area (the dark blue ones, not the light blue):

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You do not need to doubt that, your Swiss permit, is treated like an ID card (you do not need a passport to travel around Schengen). it is totally legal and ok... just have fun and make sure that the country you want to travel to is in the schengen area (the dark blue ones, not the light blue):
That is not the information given to me by the German border guards here at Solgen. They said I have to have my Passport with me, as well as the B Permit ...

So, at the moment, still awaiting my renewed passport ... I seem to be stuck in CH.

Oh, I am also non-EU ... South African.
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Re: Traveling with B permit

Most countries in the EU, as far as I am aware, don't consider the residency permit officially to be sufficient as id. But the official doing the checking may well not know that! If you are flying - similarly.

If you're in a country that requires you to carry id, it has to be an ID issued by the country of your citizenship.

However, if you've a visa, then you've a Schengen visa. If you are in CH, then you automatically have a visa for the rest of the Schengen area. The class of your permit (B,C,L...) is irrelevant.

I do not know what happens when people, e.g. asylum seekers, are given leave to remain in CH. I'd suspect they're not supposed to cross the border, as they don't have a Visa at all.
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That is not the information given to me by the German border guards here at Solgen. They said I have to have my Passport with me, as well as the B Permit ...

So, at the moment, still awaiting my renewed passport ... I seem to be stuck in CH.

Oh, I am also non-EU ... South African.
That was 16th April 2010, and now ..... mid June and still waiting for my renewed South African passport.

I checked again at the border control, and was told I DO NEED my passport as well as the Swiss B permit, to enter Germany.

The SA Embassy in Bern have tried to be helpful but say they have no success with communicating with Home Affairs in SA.

Have now reached the stage of approaching expiration of my B permit.
Embassy sent me an official looking letter "To whom it may concern" stating that my passport has been applied for .... I was hoping this would be sufficient, the lady in the Gemeinder office thought it would, ,so it went with my application for permit renewal.

But ..... the Migrationsampt in Zurich dont think so! Just got a letter from them asking for "proof" of application for passport! My pile of photostats, I surmise, is "proof"? The rest of the time I spend on the telephone with the SA Embassy!

Now, I think, the time has come to attempt a letter to the Minister of Home Affairs in SA ....... Dr Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma ...to see if she has any influence in her department?....

Anyone here had this type of delay in getting their passport renewed? (Been EIGHT months now since application)
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You do not need to doubt that, your Swiss permit, is treated like an ID card (you do not need a passport to travel around Schengen). it is totally legal and ok... just have fun and make sure that the country you want to travel to is in the schengen area (the dark blue ones, not the light blue):
I doubt that. The permit only give you free movement within Schengen countries, but non-EU still need to carry foreign travel document while entering the countries.

This is the statement from the Swiss official website:

Third state nationals in possession of a Swiss permit B, C, L and Ci may visit the Schengen area for up to 90 days without a visa, providing they carry with them their foreign nationals permit and a valid travel document.


http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/.../faq.0036.html
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I doubt that. The permit only give you free movement within Schengen countries, but non-EU still need to carry foreign travel document while entering the countries.

This is the statement from the Swiss official website:

Third state nationals in possession of a Swiss permit B, C, L and Ci may visit the Schengen area for up to 90 days without a visa, providing they carry with them their foreign nationals permit and a valid travel document.


http://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home/.../faq.0036.html
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Re: Traveling with B permit

Too bad looks like I have to postpone my passport renewal appointment too...
Plan to visit Paris and have to renew my passport for another trip to NZ in Oct.
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Re: Travelling internationally with only a "B" permit document

So just for confirmation,

I am from the UK on a regular UK / EU passport (not a 'third country' as above cases). The passport needs to be sent off soon for renewal taking an unpredictable x weeks. In the meantime I need to travel very frequently to Schengen countries, mainly Germany.

I would be OK only with a B permit document ? As a bit more evidence of my status I would probably take colour photocopies of the passport, employment and house contracts. I realise none of those are acceptable ID but would give a bit more credibility than not having them at all.

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The passport needs to be sent off soon for renewal taking an unpredictable x weeks.
After initial teething troubles the Paris service now appears to be pretty predicatable - best case less than a week, worst case two weeks.
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That is not the information given to me by the German border guards here at Solgen. They said I have to have my Passport with me, as well as the B Permit ...

So, at the moment, still awaiting my renewed passport ... I seem to be stuck in CH.

Oh, I am also non-EU ... South African.
True, you still need your passport, but no additional visa
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Re: Traveling with B permit

Dear Aknarb,
The resident permit "B" is required only inside the country,Switzerland, as an identity paper. If you are specially travelling to Germany ,you need to have either a passport or a travel document. I believe the same to other EU countries.As a matter of fact you do not need a visa as switzerland is currently in the EU.
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So just for confirmation,

I am from the UK on a regular UK / EU passport (not a 'third country' as above cases). The passport needs to be sent off soon for renewal taking an unpredictable x weeks. In the meantime I need to travel very frequently to Schengen countries, mainly Germany.

I would be OK only with a B permit document ? As a bit more evidence of my status I would probably take colour photocopies of the passport, employment and house contracts. I realise none of those are acceptable ID but would give a bit more credibility than not having them at all.

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You'll probably get away with it, but the risk of getting into trouble remains. Weigh up your chances of being asked for id, encountering a particularly arsey official, against the consequences. FWIW, if I was just doing border shopping, for example, or skiing in Feldberg, I'd risk it.
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Re: Traveling with B permit

I found a PDF that might be useful to some questions relating to this thread.

Source URL: http://ec.europa.eu/citizensrights/f...d/docs/faq.pdf

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In principle no. To establish that you are an EU citizen when crossing internal borders of the EU,
you will need a valid travel document, i.e. either your national ID card or a passport.

A driving license is not a national ID card which can be used as a travel document, regardless whether it can
be used as such in your country for identification purposes and even if your country does not deliver official ID cards
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That is not the information given to me by the German border guards here at Solgen. They said I have to have my Passport with me, as well as the B Permit ...

So, at the moment, still awaiting my renewed passport ... I seem to be stuck in CH.

Oh, I am also non-EU ... South African.

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