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Old 05.05.2010, 12:06
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"I'm working in CH and want my partner to stay with me longer than 90 days" (new-EU)

Hi all.

I've just been to the Aliens' Police (Office cantonal de la population: Police des étrangers) and learned the following. Of course, it might vary by nationality, but the application is quite straightforward for us, two Hungarians. To make things clear, my fiance has a 5 year B permit issued in Geneva and I'm a tourist towards the end of my 90 days. We've fixed a date for our wedding, of which we have a rather non-official looking form, but as it bears the heading of the cantonal Etat Civil, it's considered golden. Also, I was speaking French, which they seem to love (I guess their English would make them feel less professional and more annoyed).

So the procedure is the following:

We need to provide
- a "fresh" certificate of my fiance's salary
- the paper we have about the date of the wedding
- copy of passports
- copy of my fiance's permit (this wasn't quite clear so I'm sending it anyway)
- two forms from the OCP (Office Cantonal..., one stating that he'll support me financially and be responsible for me up to CHF30.000 and another with my personal info, both in French)
- a little pink card from the OCP

I'm also sending them a copy of the bail (contract with the regie). I had it with me and they looked at it but didn't say I'll need to send it as well. We had so many forms I didn't ask about each one, so I'm sending the anyway.

Yes, sending them by post. It's possible to hand them in in person I guess, but as we didn't have all the papers necessary, we'll have to send them. But they told me the moment I post them for evaluation (i.e. the date on the postage stamp), my status is legal until they decide about my case. Which, as I hear might even take till the wedding, so...

Well, I hope this helps. As I've seen so many similar questions posted, I thought it would be a good idea to join them together and share my experience.

Have a nice day.
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Old 05.05.2010, 12:22
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Great you took the time to post this. As you say, this question comes up a lot and anecdotes are all we have to go on.
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Many thanks , I would be interested to know if this is the same process up here in the German speaking North... anyone ?
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Nice to see someone posting their experience of doing it the right way in the right order, rather than arse over tit and then being surprised when it all goes wrong.

Good for your fl0werstar, and congrats on the engagement.

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<snip>- two forms from the OCP (Office Cantonal..., one stating that he'll support me financially and be responsible for me up to CHF30.000 and another with my personal info, both in French<snip>
Now you know what your spending limit is on his credit card
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Old 05.05.2010, 12:57
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Thanx, guys! It's really nothing compared to how frustrating permit issues can be. I'd been so nervous about the whole thing and was prepared to get arrested or being looked down on at least. But it was all a really nice experience, actually.

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Now you know what your spending limit is on his credit card
LOL. I should never be given a credit card. Ever.

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Many thanks , I would be interested to know if this is the same process up here in the German speaking North... anyone ?
I'm pretty sure the procedure is the same, only the details may vary (I doubt you'd need the same amount in a small mountain village as in GE). Anyway, the forms are at the COP, so I guess one has to contact them anyway. This site has a list of the offices, you might want to call the one in your canton. (That's what I did first.) Making inquiries in the local language helps a lot too, even if one's language skills (like mine) aren't perfect. They appreciate the effort and are less annoyed and more patient. Besides, I didn't have the impression that they're trying to pry into my life or intimidate me, so calling them is definitely not binding.
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Kösönöm szépen, flowerstar!
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Old 05.05.2010, 13:04
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Many thanks , I would be interested to know if this is the same process up here in the German speaking North... anyone ?
From what we know, the decision to grant an unmarried partner a permit is completely at the Canton's discretion and the process can vary a bit from canton to canton, though this seems pretty typical. But each case is dealt with on a case by case basis so it's hard to give a specific yes. I know couples have been granted permits even where there is no specific date set for the wedding. Others have been asked to furnish evidence of a long term relationship and others even explain why they don't have plans to marry..
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From what we know, the decision to grant an unmarried partner a permit is completely at the Canton's discretion and the process can vary a bit from canton to canton, though this seems pretty typical. But each case is dealt with on a case by case basis so it's hard to give a specific yes. I know couples have been granted permits even where there is no specific date set for the wedding. Others have been asked to furnish evidence of a long term relationship and others even explain why they don't have plans to marry..
Yes, definitely. I have to emphasize the fact that we are getting married* and have official record of it, which makes matters a lot simpler. I've heard that if you don't have a date yet, you can sign a paper saying that this is your proposed date and you're to begin procedures, in which case the extension will be valid till that date and they'll get pissed off if you're not married then and still in the country. Whereas if you don't intend to get married at all, the whole procedure gets more complicated. Yes, you have to justify your claims of being a "serious couple" in all possible ways, and provide a fuller financial coverage. Most probably I'll get a permit after the marriage, likely similar to the one my husband holds. But the Swiss don't accept partnership as a judicial category (except for a small niche for same sex couples), so for unmarried couples it might be really difficult to get united. However, some posters on EF have had good experience concerning that, so it's not impossible. But a marriage certificate/fixed date helps a lot for sure. (Besides making all the officials smile and congratulate you... )


*Of course the emphasis serves only to contrast our case to others. Not because it feels so awfully good to say it each time.
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Re: "I'm working in CH and want my partner to stay with me longer than 90 days" (new-

Hi

Now I have a question. We've submitted all the papers. There was this form that everyone applying for any kind of permit etc. has to fill in (form UE4 I think...). The first question is the reason for application. Well, as there was no other alternative that would have made sense, I ticked "sejour sans travail", long stay without employment. "Prolongation de sejour" made no sense to me because sejour here means a permit to stay, which I don't have yet.

So if I get this permission, does this mean that I cannot even go to interviews? I've been a good girl so far and I don't wanna mess things up. Of course this permission (it's not a real permit, right?) doesn't entitle me to work. But can I apply for jobs so that my employer can process my permit or just offer me a job and wait till I get mine after the wedding? As people on L permits cannot work but can go to interviews, the same might apply to me. But I've stated that I apply for a permission to stay but not to work. Would going to interviews mean that I lied?

Oh, I'm in such a pickle. There was simply no option like "long term stay and jobhunting"... And I don't want to seem to be sneaking into the country under pretext... On the other hand my fiance can support me but if I start looking for a job after the wedding, I feel like a parasite living off his income...

Do you guys happen to know anything about these "fiance permits"? I've heard them called the "non-working conjoints of B holders". I could deal with that for a few months, even start work only on my future permit. But I'd love to start jobhunting.

Thanx awfully! Have a nice day!
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Re: "I'm working in CH and want my partner to stay with me longer than 90 days" (new-

So like one month later I received the following letter (quick translations from French):

"After your wedding, please send us the following documents:
- Copy of marriage certificate
- 2 passport photos

Yours, etc."

I'm not entirely sure what it means. I asked for a permission to stay till my wedding (to be held in CH in a disquieting 6 weeks) and they didn't tell me to leave, so that's good. As I've already explained, I sent them all my papers (and my fiance's as well), which would have been enough for that decision.

What do you guys think? Is this by any means the beginning of a permit application (a beautiful friendship, ehh?)?

Thanx for all your insights.

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Are you registered at the Gemeinde ? They issue us a paper document which confirms your permission to live at your address...it lasted until the formal visa (with photo on it) was issued about 3 months later... ???
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You should probably clarify it with your community immigration officials to get the exact meaning of the letter. Go visit them personally with the letter if at all possible. But, I don't think they would be asking you for passport photos if they were going to kick you out. After all, they need the pictures for your residence permit after you're married. ;-)
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You should probably clarify it with your community immigration officials to get the exact meaning of the letter. Go visit them personally with the letter if at all possible. But, I don't think they would be asking you for passport photos if they were going to kick you out. After all, they need the pictures for your residence permit after you're married. ;-)
Yes, this was my reasoning as well. I'm really willing to interpret as a positive answer...
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Are you registered at the Gemeinde ? They issue us a paper document which confirms your permission to live at your address...it lasted until the formal visa (with photo on it) was issued about 3 months later... ???
Well, it all happened in canton (and city) Geneva, so it might be different elsewhere, but I did go to the Office de la migration/population, where they told me the only thing to do was to send them all sorts of documents, which I did. So I guess this counts as "registering". And as a response to that they sent me this letter, as short as that, no mentioning whether I can stay or not. Nor that I should visit them again. Well, from my point of view the matter is sort of closed, as they did respond to my application, if in a weird way. Note that we're not married as yet.

Thanks for your help, they'll see me in 6 weeks.
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