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Old 08.05.2010, 18:26
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Parents without police clearance

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Anyone know if I could bring my non-EU parents to Switzerland on my permit B? I do not know what kind of permit they could obtain, anyway they will not involved in any commercial activity, but just stay long term with me and I support their living.

There are one more question, is police clearance an important document ?
My dad cannot provide due to minor crime, what if I wait until I got my permit C or passport, will I get a chance??

Anyone know what can I do to help them live with me ???

(Tourist stay is not my choice, for elderly that is too trouble to travel every 3 months )

thanks a lot for your share !!
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Re: Parents without police clearance

If you are EU, then you can bring them in, if you support them. But you'll still need to talk to immigration.
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If you are EU, then you can bring them in, if you support them. But you'll still need to talk to immigration.
I am not EU for the moment but I married to Swiss, so in some year I will be EU...only the police clearance letter make me worry
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Actually I asked this question when I moved here because I am not EU but I'd like my mom to stay with us for an undefinite period of time. After reading a webpage (that I now do not remember but was recommended by an EF member) I was pretty sure that if you can support them, you can bring your parents for "family reunification".
But still why not talk to immigration just to clarify?


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Actually I asked this question when I moved here because I am not EU but I'd like my mom to stay with us for an undefinite period of time. After reading a webpage (that I now do not remember but was recommended by an EF member) I was pretty sure that if you can support them, you can bring your parents for "family reunification".
But still why not talk to immigration just to clarify?


Good luck!
Thanks !! We are currently not in CH so we can't check but my parents started asking our plan, if all just about finance, that will be great.
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Thanks !! We are currently not in CH so we can't check but my parents started asking our plan, if all just about finance, that will be great.
It is not as easy as some say. First of all it has nothing to do with “family reunification”.Your parents are not your family.
The most important point that they must be your depended person. I mean they must receive from you financial help for some time (that you can deduct from your tax, up to 6k a year), they must be a sort of disable (mean not in perfect health. It should be verified by a doctor), and there should not be any close relative that can look after them in your home country (your brothers or sisters).
Then you must have a proper housing with separate WC for them, preferably your own, but not a mandatory. (it is checked during negotiations).
And a most important is that your gemeinde (commune) must approve it first. You will have to pay a few thousand a year per person to them for that. It’s a kind of tax deal, but small scale type.
Of course a good health insurance is a must.
I’m not confident about police clearance, but I think it’s not necessary for retired depended person.
For US citizens it’s much easier I believe, but don’t know details.
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It is not as easy as some say. First of all it has nothing to do with “family reunification”.Your parents are not your family.
The most important point that they must be your depended person. I mean they must receive from you financial help for some time (that you can deduct from your tax, up to 6k a year), they must be a sort of disable (mean not in perfect health. It should be verified by a doctor), and there should not be any close relative that can look after them in your home country (your brothers or sisters).
Then you must have a proper housing with separate WC for them, preferably your own, but not a mandatory. (it is checked during negotiations).
And a most important is that your gemeinde (commune) must approve it first. You will have to pay a few thousand a year per person to them for that. It’s a kind of tax deal, but small scale type.
Of course a good health insurance is a must.
I’m not confident about police clearance, but I think it’s not necessary for retired depended person.
For US citizens it’s much easier I believe, but don’t know details.

Say what? My parents most certainly ARE part of my family...

If you mean to say that they must be your dependent (which seems to be what you go on to say), that may be so... but to say they're not family, well, that's just silly.
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Re: Parents without police clearance

Perhaps Amaras means that the legal definition for the purposes of reunification of "family" excludes parents. I've no idea whether it does, though I vaguely recall that it doesn't.

btw - cckkt - when you're married to a Swiss, you still won't be EU... but after a few years, you will be Swiss. (should you apply).

Re: criminal record. Don't volunteer the information, but if asked, answer honestly. Lying on the application forms is usually more of a heinous crime than having caught for doing a minor one.
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It is not as easy as some say. First of all it has nothing to do with “family reunification”.Your parents are not your family.
The most important point that they must be your depended person. I mean they must receive from you financial help for some time (that you can deduct from your tax, up to 6k a year), they must be a sort of disable (mean not in perfect health. It should be verified by a doctor), and there should not be any close relative that can look after them in your home country (your brothers or sisters).
Then you must have a proper housing with separate WC for them, preferably your own, but not a mandatory. (it is checked during negotiations).
And a most important is that your gemeinde (commune) must approve it first. You will have to pay a few thousand a year per person to them for that. It’s a kind of tax deal, but small scale type.
Of course a good health insurance is a must.
I’m not confident about police clearance, but I think it’s not necessary for retired depended person.
For US citizens it’s much easier I believe, but don’t know details.
Thanks for your reply. Your information is base on holding permit or Swiss citizenship? If I become Swiss, do I need any excuse (e.g. parents not in good health) to bring my parents along ?
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Actually I asked this question when I moved here because I am not EU but I'd like my mom to stay with us for an undefinite period of time.
Have you discussed this with your husband?
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For US citizens it’s much easier I believe, but don’t know details.
And it's not necessarily easier for US citizens...

We inquired about bringing my elderly in-laws here, but quickly gave up on the idea as it was so difficult.

From what we learned from the folks at our Gemeinde: (SZ)

If there is only one surviving parent, and that parent has no other close relatives in his/her home country, (and, as Amaras says, that parent is financially dependent on you, and you can prove that you have the financial wherewithal to support the parent, have appropriate accommodation) - then one might be granted permission to bring one's single parent here.

However, if both parents are still alive then it becomes difficult, as it is assumed that one can care for the other. Which was our case - even though my in-laws are disabled and neither is able to do the physical care for the other.

Also, the close relative thing: MIL has a sister in the US. Although she too is elderly and dependent on her children, so unable to provide care for herself let alone MIL, that the sister is still living ruled out the ILs coming here.

Lastly, we had concerns about health care/insurance issues. Given that the ILs are in their late 80s with many serious health problems no insurance company would consider giving them supplementary insurance - and we felt that basic Swiss insurance would not meet their needs. It made no sense to take them out of the US, where they have excellent health care.

Not to mention the difficulty of being housebound in a foreign country where they do not speak the language, do not understand the culture - just too much for the ILs to handle at this stage of their lives.

So... we fly back a lot. And do a lot of long-distance organization. And worry about the future.

I have the feeling (and it is only a feeling...) that things like this are decided on a case-by-case basis; you might encounter a more sympathetic official at your Gemeinde.

Hope it works out for you and your parents.
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If there is only one surviving parent, and that parent has no other close relatives in his/her home country, (and, as Amaras says, that parent is financially dependent on you, and you can prove that you have the financial wherewithal to support the parent, have appropriate accommodation) - then one might be granted permission to bring one's single parent here.

However, if both parents are still alive then it becomes difficult, as it is assumed that one can care for the other. Which was our case - even though my in-laws are disabled and neither is able to do the physical care for the other.

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OMG that is completely different to my case, my parents are healthy and they have other relatives in my home country, however I am the only child of them, when they are old, relatives grow old as well, I don't think there are other relatives who are more suitable to take care of them instead of their only child.

But what if my parents have money and healthy, is it possible to bring them here in another reason??

That really mess up my plan if I am not allowed to take care my parents in Switzerland.
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Re: Parents without police clearance

Go and talk to the folks at your Gemeinde; they will tell you what is, or isn't possible.

As mentioned above, I got the impression that such things were decided - or rather, negotiated - based on individual cases.

We dropped the idea, as we came to believe that it was not in our parents' best interest to attempt the move. Who knows what might have happened if we continued to push? There might have been an different outcome - but then again, maybe not.

As with everything in Switzerland: YMMV.
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As with everything in Switzerland: YMMV.
What??? But to OP, yes speak to Gemeinde or seek legal advice (is there the equivalent of CAB here?)
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Re: Parents without police clearance

Quite apart from the legal aspects, it might be an idea to read through the posts in this Thread - it is about the problems of having aging parents in another country. Being permitted to bring them to Switzerland is not the end of the story. I am sure my parents would have been anything but happy had they moved here after retiring.

Hope you manage to find a solution which works well for you all.
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I am tempted to go and ask today or maybe Friday...will keep you guys posted. To OP: I might be in a different Kanton but it does not hurt to ask!
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Thanks for your reply. Your information is base on holding permit or Swiss citizenship? If I become Swiss, do I need any excuse (e.g. parents not in good health) to bring my parents along ?
It’s based on a successful case of a fellow that manage to get his parent from Russia a few years ago. He is a ‘C’ permit holder, but at that time he has a ‘B’ permit. There is a number of cases been refused that I also know. Many lawyers will get in trying to help without knowing details and proper requirements and many cases are waste of time and money.

I forgot to mention the second most important point. You must be financially sound person. In case you are contract worker your family income must be over 120K a year and over 80K in case of self-employed.

Not really. Your parents are a non-EU in any way. There is only an exemption for financial guaranty letter when you invite them for visit and visa fees. That is also implemented if you are married to Swiss or EU citizen.


The only matter is MONEY… And you commune must approve is first, Then cantonal migration office will check if other requirements comply.


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If I become Swiss, do I need any excuse (e.g. parents not in good health) to bring my parents along ?

Regarding the good health condition.. Well, I try to explain how it works in successful cases.


Dieser Abzug kann nur für die Unterstützung von Personen gewährt werden, die infolge Alters oder körperlicher oder geistiger Gebrechen ganz oder teilweise erwerbsunfähig und unterstützungsbedürftig sind.

That mean you can deduct up to 6100 fr/year in case they are not just depended financially but heath conditions also meet. In case you are helping to person that is in good health then deduction is much lower… less than one thousand fr.

So first you make a deduction and then apply. The point is that if approved then you are not saving on tax but even will have to pay extra. That’s mean country will benefit economically.

In Russia and CIS financial dependence declared by person himself in certified translation way. But that is definitely not enough for cantonal migration office, and even if approved by commune it will be refused by them. Some years ago it was easier they say, but not now.

Besides commune and country will benefit if your parents live with you, canceling a 6K dedication is an important point for migration office as an obvious reason. So do it step by step and it will work out.

Also note what Meloncollie explained . It’s really hard in case of two parents, and insurance matters also.

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That really mess up my plan if I am not allowed to take care my parents in Switzerland
There is always asymmetric ways. Like getting retirement permit in other Schengen country.


Melancollie. I’m absolutely confident that you can use this way
http://www.politsei.ee/en/teenused/r...come/index.dot

I’m absolutely confident that you can use this way . There is a number of new EU states that are very relaxed on US citizens. End even in France or Italy, but there is bit tougher requirements. They prefer a real estate ownership. The cheapest way is Bulgaria, any bogus rent contract will do. The only matter is that they will join Schengen in march next year. No one will check where your parents really live.
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