 | | | 
12.01.2008, 09:31
|  | Newbie | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: US
Posts: 4
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
Thanks for this list can you please reference the source?
I am a US citizen moving to Basel and my employer has been handling the permit process. What is the process after the permit has been granted. Can the employer send the permit to me, or do I have to enter Switzerland first and fill out more paperwork? Also, do I need to have a visa too, or is this implicit when filling out the work permit paperwork for foreigners?
| 
12.01.2008, 11:05
|  | Member | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Altendorf
Posts: 231
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 61 Times in 34 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Do you have this in any other language? French or Italian for example? Where did this come from? | | | | | Hi sorry dont have this in other languages.
The source is http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/...gen_noneu.html | 
12.01.2008, 11:10
|  | Member | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Altendorf
Posts: 231
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 61 Times in 34 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks for this list can you please reference the source?
I am a US citizen moving to Basel and my employer has been handling the permit process. What is the process after the permit has been granted. Can the employer send the permit to me, or do I have to enter Switzerland first and fill out more paperwork? Also, do I need to have a visa too, or is this implicit when filling out the work permit paperwork for foreigners? | | | | | The answers to the questions you raised is on this thread. But just to for your information the employer sends you the paper for approval of the permit and then you come to switzerland and apply for the permit in the local town council of the place where you live.
If you normally dont need a visa to enter switzerland for tourist purpose there is no visa requirement. I am not sure about the rules for US citizens you can read through the thread the answers are there
| 
12.01.2008, 11:27
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: romandie
Posts: 9,971
Groaned at 101 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 9,106 Times in 4,522 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yes, thank you. I did find the original site hoping it might have a Fr or It version but it didn't. I didn't find this same text in the federal site. I'm sure someone will be along to give us an overview of the text!
| 
12.01.2008, 11:29
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: romandie
Posts: 9,971
Groaned at 101 Times in 92 Posts
Thanked 9,106 Times in 4,522 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks for this list can you please reference the source?
I am a US citizen moving to Basel and my employer has been handling the permit process. What is the process after the permit has been granted. Can the employer send the permit to me, or do I have to enter Switzerland first and fill out more paperwork? Also, do I need to have a visa too, or is this implicit when filling out the work permit paperwork for foreigners? | | | | | You should receive a letter confirming your permit has been approved. Then with the paper you have to get your permit in person. You do not need a visa to enter the country.
| 
12.01.2008, 11:40
|  | Member | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Altendorf
Posts: 231
Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts
Thanked 61 Times in 34 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Yes, thank you. I did find the original site hoping it might have a Fr or It version but it didn't. I didn't find this same text in the federal site. I'm sure someone will be along to give us an overview of the text! | | | | | Look at article 46 of the AUG http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a46.html
This should be in french also
The english translation i got is
employment of spouses and children Ehegatten und Kinder von Schweizerinnen und Schweizern sowie von Personen mit einer Niederlassungs- oder Aufenthaltsbewilligung (Art. 42–44) können eine selbständige oder unselbständige Erwerbstätigkeit in der ganzen Schweiz ausüben. Spouses and children of Swiss citizens and persons with an establishment or residence permit (Article 42-44) can be an independent or dependent employment in the whole exercise Switzerland.
| This user would like to thank justdoit for this useful post: | | 
12.01.2008, 12:21
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Look at article 46 of the AUG http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/142_20/a46.html
This should be in french also
The english translation i got is
employment of spouses and children Ehegatten und Kinder von Schweizerinnen und Schweizern sowie von Personen mit einer Niederlassungs- oder Aufenthaltsbewilligung (Art. 42–44) können eine selbständige oder unselbständige Erwerbstätigkeit in der ganzen Schweiz ausüben.
Spouses and children of Swiss citizens and persons with an establishment or residence permit (Article 42-44) can be an independent or dependent employment in the whole exercise Switzerland. | | | | | This is important stuff - it effects many people on the forum in a similar situation to Kalyan.
For me, there is still some confusion in the legislation. What is clear is that non-EU citizens with L permits are not included in the above (art 45 not included in art 46). Those married to a Swiss citizen and those with C permits are included (art 42 and 43). The rest fall into the category discussed in art 44. It is clear that student permits are excluded.
My guess is that the residence permit has to be open and connected to a full time employment contractand not a restricted one linked to a project - but that's only my guess.
@kalyan - you state that your assignment is for 2 years fixed. The fact that your wife has been issued with a residence permit only (assuming you differentiate because the right to work is not included) suggests that my guess is in the right direction. It would be very interesting to know if she does get the right to work without finding a job first - if you go to your local town hall they should be able to tell you one way or the other. If you do this, please post the result here.
| 
16.01.2008, 01:01
|  | Member | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Aargau
Posts: 178
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 43 Times in 28 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Yeah. I mis understood how a Ci permit works. We dont fit into a Ci permit!
Can someone tell me what should we do to enable my wife to work? Can she look for a job with her dependent visa and then take it up once we get the work permit? | | | | | Does anybody know by now, regarding the deutsch text, if the wife (Dependent permit) can work if her husband is granted a B Permit (full-time contract)? (both non-EU citizens)
| 
16.01.2008, 01:14
| Newbie 1st class | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: argau
Posts: 12
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
thanks for the help but i am still slightly confused
my confusion is over going from a B to a C permit and whether it is only time dependent or whether it is dependent on the individual clerk looking into the case whether you granted the C permit (whether you are deemed integrated enough)?
i have looked up the available links in the auslaendergesetz, specifically: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/etc/medialib..._neu__d_01.pdf
which seems to imply that canadians have the right to go from a B to a C permit after 5 and not 10 years
QUESTION:
after you apply to get a C permit is it automatic (dependent on the time you have had a valid B permit your or not), and if it is not, does it help to hire a lawyer to handle the paperwork?
all experience and information would be greatly appreciated
| 
16.01.2008, 01:53
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dietikon ZH
Posts: 2,415
Groaned at 25 Times in 22 Posts
Thanked 3,760 Times in 1,205 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | thanks for the help but i am still slightly confused
my confusion is over going from a B to a C permit and whether it is only time dependent or whether it is dependent on the individual clerk looking into the case whether you granted the C permit (whether you are deemed integrated enough)?
i have looked up the available links in the auslaendergesetz, specifically: http://www.bfm.admin.ch/etc/medialib..._neu__d_01.pdf
which seems to imply that canadians have the right to go from a B to a C permit after 5 and not 10 years
QUESTION:
after you apply to get a C permit is it automatic (dependent on the time you have had a valid B permit your or not), and if it is not, does it help to hire a lawyer to handle the paperwork?
all experience and information would be greatly appreciated | | | | | Any B-Permit holder can "APPLY" for a C Permit after 5 years. However....
The only people who currently have a "right" to a C-Permit after 5 years uninterrupted residence are EU-15 citizens (and probably soon EU-8 citizens). After 10 years uninterrupted residence US citizens also have a right. I believe Canadian citizens may also have a right after 10 years but I am not 100% sure. So if you are not an EU / US / Canadian citizen, your entitlement to a C-Permit is completely at the discretion of the authorities, unless you have some other entitlement ( eg. spouse of CH-citizen, hold a chair at a University, etc.), therefore in these cases NOT AUTOMATIC.
This is why the C-Permit application for non-EU citizens has so many more hoops to jump through (eg. Language proficiency).
__________________ So sayeth the 'Speed * I do look like my avatar | 
16.01.2008, 07:08
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Does anybody know by now, regarding the deutsch text, if the wife (Dependent permit) can work if her husband is granted a B Permit (full-time contract)? (both non-EU citizens) | | | | | Since 01.01.2008 the answer is yes.
| This user would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
16.01.2008, 19:51
|  | Member | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Aargau
Posts: 178
Groaned at 8 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 43 Times in 28 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
Thanks. That's very good...!
Being non-EU that's a great change in the law.... | 
17.01.2008, 00:31
| Newbie 1st class | | Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: argau
Posts: 12
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
thanks for the quick answer, to the question about B to C permit changes for canadians, it makes sense (unfortunately)
cheers
p.s. is the german language skill requirement regulated (i.e. level....) or at the discretion of the deciding office
| 
17.01.2008, 19:05
| Newbie | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: ZH
Posts: 1
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
Hi
Need your help, to better understand law of permit.
I am non Eu(indian). Just got merried in last week with my swisss(indian) wife. she is holding a swiss passport. So she is now swiss national.
I am going to apply for the permit.
For which permit i should apply?
How long it will take to receive C permit for non EU from 1 jan 2008?
Please advice if any needed
Hope you will help me
Thanks in advance
Rayn
| 
17.01.2008, 19:32
| | Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points. | Quote: | |  | | | Hi
Need your help, to better understand law of permit.
I am non Eu(indian). Just got merried in last week with my swisss(indian) wife. she is holding a swiss passport. So she is now swiss national.
I am going to apply for the permit.
For which permit i should apply?
How long it will take to receive C permit for non EU from 1 jan 2008?
Please advice if any needed
Hope you will help me
Thanks in advance
Rayn | | | | | If you use the search fuction you will find threads like this which answer your questions.
| 
28.01.2008, 20:20
| Banned | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: St. Gallen
Posts: 20
Groaned at 6 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
| | Did I get a C permit?!!
Hi Everybody - after being rejected first (I am non-EU) and much fighting back with the help of the company that is employing me I finally got the permit today!!!! It was tough and long wait but it was worth it!
Anywho, the fact of the matter is that I was really expecting to get a B-permit which is what my employer said I would get. However on the receipt of payment for the permit, which was 116 CHF, it is written that
" (uebrige Staatsangehoerige und Ersterteilung C-Bew. alle Staatsangehoerige) "
from my little German knowledge - actually dont even need that to see the 'C' - I am guessing that I got the C-permit?! Is it? Can someone with good German or familiar with this please confirm? Thanks a lot!
Bestest regards,
X
| 
28.01.2008, 20:28
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: ZH
Posts: 2,745
Groaned at 75 Times in 42 Posts
Thanked 2,649 Times in 1,194 Posts
| | Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
I doubt it (sorry to disappoint you). I think the sentence should be read that the fee is for _a_ permit (i.e. any permit) for Non-EU and for C permit for all nationalities (i.e. not only non-EU and/or EU). | Quote: | |  | | | Hi Everybody - after being rejected first (I am non-EU) and much fighting back with the help of the company that is employing me I finally got the permit today!!!! It was tough and long wait but it was worth it!
Anywho, the fact of the matter is that I was really expecting to get a B-permit which is what my employer said I would get. However on the receipt of payment for the permit, which was 116 CHF, it is written that
" (uebrige Staatsangehoerige und Ersterteilung C-Bew. alle Staatsangehoerige) "
from my little German knowledge - actually dont even need that to see the 'C' - I am guessing that I got the C-permit?! Is it? Can someone with good German or familiar with this please confirm? Thanks a lot!
Bestest regards,
X | | | | | | 
28.01.2008, 20:38
| Banned | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: St. Gallen
Posts: 20
Groaned at 6 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
| | Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
Thanks for the quick reply!
| 
28.01.2008, 20:45
|  | Junior Member | | Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: St. Gallen
Posts: 91
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 18 Times in 14 Posts
| | Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
Qualifying for a C-permit comes down to two things: Where you are from and how long you've been here. I got my C-permit after five years despite being non-EU. However, each non-EU country is treated differently. What's your situation?
| 
29.01.2008, 00:29
| Banned | | Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: St. Gallen
Posts: 20
Groaned at 6 Times in 5 Posts
Thanked 15 Times in 13 Posts
| | Re: Did I get a C permit?!! | Quote: | |  | | | Qualifying for a C-permit comes down to two things: Where you are from and how long you've been here. I got my C-permit after five years despite being non-EU. However, each non-EU country is treated differently. What's your situation? | | | | | Hi - this is my first month in Switzerland, although I have been in Europe for more than 4 years now. I am not sure how long I will have to wait, but I know of an Indian who got a C-permit after about only 18 months of stay. Also he is in IT which might have made it faster/easier for him to get the C-permit. Since I'm not in IT (I'm in finance/banking) I'm not sure that I will have this advantage. You might also have to consider that we are talking about St. Gallen here, which is probably very different compared to Zurich when it comes to the permits, ainnit
One more question: does age have anything to do with getting work-permit? Is it easier if you are, say above 30, have work experience, etc., than say very-young person like 22-25, with very little work-experience? Thanks.
Last edited by xfreakx; 26.02.2008 at 01:27.
|
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 05:43. | |