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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

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All the time you spend here counts.
I think he's hinting toward C permit rules or naturalization. Don't student permits only count toward those if you also later get a B-permit due to job and not L? Then again, rules subject to change by the time he's been here for 5 years, regardless of permit type.
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Anyone knows how long it takes to get an answer from the authorities if the permit is approved or not ?
I am from EU , and my employer applied somewhere around begining of the February , they told me it would be done in about 3 weeks but they also made a modification of my contract 10 days ago where they added that the contract is subject to getting a work permit .
So I don't know if they infact applied 10 days ago or before so they just made an update to my case while the application was still in progress .
I send an email to my employer about that and few other things but they didn't reply anything yet, maybe I'm bothering them with questions so I will wait until the end of this week to send another inquiry .
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Old 29.02.2016, 14:51
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

What nationality? Because that clause will only be used for non-EU nationals. Are you Croatian? That would explain it as although Croatia is now part of the EU the Free Movement agreement with Switzerland doesn't extend to Croatians. So you're still non-EU for hiring purposes.

"Croatia became the 28th member of the European Union (EU) on 1 July 2013. Croatia’s accession does not have any immediate bearing on the Agreement of Free Movement of Persons (AFM) concluded between Switzerland and the EU because each time a new member joins the EU, the agreement is supplemented by an additional protocol.

The agreement was extended to Croatia through Protocol III, which was initialled in 2013. The protocol envisages the full free movement of persons with Croatia following a ten-year transitional period.

On 9 February 2014, the Swiss electorate adopted a popular initiative aimed at stopping mass immigration. As a result, the Federal Council is no longer in a position to sign Protocol III in its original version because it violates the new constitutional provisions.

The admission of Croatian nationals to Switzerland is therefore still subject to the provisions of the Foreign Nationals Act (FNA). From 1 July 2014, Croatian nationals will be subject to separate quotas on access to the Swiss labour market. These quotas comprise 50 one-year B permits and 450 short-term L permits."
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Hi Medea, thank you for the reply.
Yes, I am from Croatia.
Would that mean that my permit is far from being done ?
It's unfortunate that there is no way for me to check the status of the application , so I can just guess and look for similar experiences to suppose how much more will it take .
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Old 29.02.2016, 15:13
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Yes, it's far from being done. They have to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national to do the job.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...zulassung.html

And it's a two-stage procedure. First cantonal approval, then Federal.

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...ensablauf.html

So it will be a few more weeks before you hear anything.
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Please I can't understand why non EU, who has been in Switzerland 3 to 5 years and letter given F permit. After ten years obtain B permit. My question is how can the B permit given to non EU and the B permit given to EU resident who did not seek asylum be the same. The EU came for work while the asylum seekers came for protection. Please I need an answer.
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Please I can't understand why non EU, who has been in Switzerland 3 to 5 years and letter given F permit. After ten years obtain B permit. My question is how can the B permit given to non EU and the B permit given to EU resident who did not seek asylum be the same. The EU came for work while the asylum seekers came for protection. Please I need an answer.
Does it matter? They are the same, just given under different regulations I suppose. And presumably there are still some restrictions on an asylum seeker's B permit. A non-EU B permit holder needs to ask permission to move to another canton for example, while an EU B permit holder doesn't.

An asylum seeker residence permit does have to meet the provisions laid down in the Foreign Nationals Act.

"Permit F (provisionally admitted foreigners)

Provisionally admitted foreign nationals are persons who have been ordered to return from Switzerland to their native countries but in whose cases the enforcement of this order has proved inadmissible (violation of international law), unreasonable (concrete endangerment of the foreign national) or impossible (for technical reasons of enforcement). Thus their provisional admission constitutes a substitute measure. Provisional admission may be ordered for a duration of twelve months and be extended by the canton of residence for another twelve months at a time. The cantonal authorities may grant provisionally admitted foreign nationals work permits for gainful employment irrespective of the situation on the labour market and in the economy in general. A residence permit granted at a later date is subject to the provisions of Art. 84 (5) of the Aliens Act."

https://www.sem.admin.ch/sem/en/home...orlaeufig.html
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Please I can't understand why non EU, who has been in Switzerland 3 to 5 years and letter given F permit. After ten years obtain B permit. My question is how can the B permit given to non EU and the B permit given to EU resident who did not seek asylum be the same. The EU came for work while the asylum seekers came for protection. Why must non EU B permit not renewed after two years of unemployment Please I need an answer.
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Old 10.05.2016, 14:40
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Why ask twice?


See the answer from MF
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Old 10.05.2016, 15:09
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Please I can't understand why non EU, who has been in Switzerland 3 to 5 years and letter given F permit. After ten years obtain B permit. My question is how can the B permit given to non EU and the B permit given to EU resident who did not seek asylum be the same. The EU came for work while the asylum seekers came for protection. Why must non EU B permit not renewed after two years of unemployment Please I need an answer.
I would guess because you've been unemployed for 2 years and the situation has changed in your country? Are you on social assistance? Not unemployment. If so that is grounds for the revocation of your B permit.

Art. 62 Revocation of permits and other rulings

The competent authority may revoke permits, with the exception of the permanent residence permit, and other rulings under this Act if the foreign national:

a. or their representative in the permit procedure makes false statements or conceals material facts;

b. has been given a long custodial sentence or has been made subject to a criminal measure in terms of Article 64 or Article 61 of the Criminal Code1;

c. has seriously or repeatedly violated or represents a threat to public security and order in Switzerland or abroad or represents a threat to internal or external security;

d. fails to fulfil an obligation linked to the decision;

e. or a person they must care for is dependent on social assistance.

https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...232/index.html

This applies to anyone, EU or non-EU, btw.

Just because you have a permit it doesn't entitle you to lifelong residency here. Even C (permanent residence) permit holders - both EU and non-EU - can lose their right to live here. The only guarantee of being able to stay in Switzerland is to obtain Swiss citizenship which is one of the more difficult ones in the world to get.

Slightly different question roegner. She/he didn't mention the unemployment situation the first time.
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Old 10.05.2016, 15:16
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Slightly different question roegner. She/he didn't mention the unemployment situation the first time.


Ah, missed that last part, thanks
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Hello, sorry if this kind of information is already displayed, I haven't read all of the threads.

I recently got married to a swiss citizen (has a swiss passport). I applied for family reunification and got D visa. Shouldn't I get automatically a B visa?

I have read somewhere that with this D visa in a family reunification, after I enter switzerland, I have the right for employment - after I register in the canton immigration center.

Does that mean that I will get B visa upon arrival in switzerland? Or will I just get a work permit with D visa? And how long could I be waiting the process of geting the work permit after I arrive in switzerland? I am kind of in a hurry, so if anyone can help me..

PS, I am from Bosnia
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Try - search, advanced search, show posts, for "D visa"
Then try similar tactics for other things you want to .know.
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Hello, sorry if this kind of information is already displayed, I haven't read all of the threads.

I recently got married to a swiss citizen (has a swiss passport). I applied for family reunification and got D visa. Shouldn't I get automatically a B visa?

I have read somewhere that with this D visa in a family reunification, after I enter switzerland, I have the right for employment - after I register in the canton immigration center.

Does that mean that I will get B visa upon arrival in switzerland? Or will I just get a work permit with D visa? And how long could I be waiting the process of geting the work permit after I arrive in switzerland? I am kind of in a hurry, so if anyone can help me..

PS, I am from Bosnia
This is the usual confusion of using the word visa to mean two different things. Your Type D visa only gets you into Switzerland long term legally, it has nothing to do with being able to live/work here. Once you arrive you and your partner need to go to the cantonal migration office to get your B permit. This is what allows you to live/work here, not the visa. It will be for one year renewed annually and for residence only to start with. But once you get a job you just need to take your employment contract to the gemeinde office to activate the work part of the permit. You'll need various documents for this, including your marriage certificate and depending on where you got married it may need to be translated and apostilled in the country you got married in.

It will take several weeks for your permit to be issued, but so long as you present an employment contract you'll be able to work.
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This is the usual confusion of using the word visa to mean two different things. Your Type D visa only gets you into Switzerland long term legally, it has nothing to do with being able to live/work here. Once you arrive you and your partner need to go to the cantonal migration office to get your B permit. This is what allows you to live/work here, not the visa. It will be for one year renewed annually and for residence only to start with. But once you get a job you just need to take your employment contract to the gemeinde office to activate the work part of the permit. You'll need various documents for this, including your marriage certificate and depending on where you got married it may need to be translated and apostilled in the country you got married in.

It will take several weeks for your permit to be issued, but so long as you present an employment contract you'll be able to work.
So does that mean that now when I arrive in zurich and give notice of my arrival, I am legal to go search for jobs? That job contract I present to local gemeinde and in the meanwhile, dring the waiting process for the work permit I can actually work? I was going to search for a short - term job during the summer for the beginning...
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So does that mean that now when I arrive in zurich and give notice of my arrival, I am legal to go search for jobs? That job contract I present to local gemeinde and in the meanwhile, dring the waiting process for the work permit I can actually work? I was going to search for a short - term job during the summer for the beginning...
You can search for jobs, but you cannot start work until you present an employment contract to the gemeinde/cantonal migration office. Once you've done that you should be okay to start work, assuming you can find a job. Most summer jobs will have already been snapped up by school leavers/children on holiday I suspect.
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Well I was hoping for a more serious, harder and heavier physical job that most people in switzerland aren't interested in to work for
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Well I was hoping for a more serious, harder and heavier physical job that most people in switzerland aren't interested in to work for
Those are often picked up also by people in Switzerland who are interested in hard work. Not sure what you think the country is but a lot of people here do hard physical work?
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Well I was hoping for a more serious, harder and heavier physical job that most people in switzerland aren't interested in to work for
Most heavy labour industry shuts down in August for the hols anyway.
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Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.

Hi All,

The thread is indeed useful. I searched through the other threads as well.

I have 4 specific questions, hoping that somebody can share his/her experience.

1) Can an employer(a Swiss company) apply and get the restricted Non EU B permit of its employee converted to an open B permit? ( As the authorities extended and issued a restricted B permit even though the employer had applied for an open permit during the extension request).
[Let us assume that the employer will agree to do so]

I remember having read a post giving even the details of the form and fees for such an application but I am not able to find that anywhere.

2) Within the non EU B permit quota, are there any specific number of open and restricted B permits ?

3) If one gets an open non EU B permit , then are there any further approvals required whenever one changes jobs ?

4) Are any approvals required if a non-EU dependent B permit holder wants to start an AG and work as a director in this company.

Thank you for your time and reply.
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