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Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 08:46

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by xfreakx (Post 163958)
You might also have to consider that we are talking about St. Gallen here, which is probably very different compared to Zurich when it comes to the permits, ainnit

The work permits legislation is federal, so there is going to be exactly zero difference among the cantons.

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One more question: does age have anything to do with getting work-permit? Is it easier if you are, say above 30, have work experience, etc., than say very-young person like 22-25, with very little work-experience? Thanks.
Yes.

jrspet 29.01.2008 09:17

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 164023)
The work permits legislation is federal, so there is going to be exactly zero difference among the cantons.

I might beg to differ on this based on my experience as well as others in my category. Although my circumstances are quite different from the OP, my work rights or rather work permit on a non-EU B ( sort of a 2-in-1 thingy ) is restricted to a particular canton ( ZH ) who alone decide on my work permit, not the BFM in Berne.

I am not surprised if someone got a C permit only after 18 months as there are exceptions to the norm.

Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 09:52

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by jrspet (Post 164031)
I might beg to differ on this based on my experience as well as others in my category. Although my circumstances are quite different from the OP, my work rights or rather work permit on a non-EU B ( sort of a 2-in-1 thingy ) is restricted to a particular canton ( ZH ) who alone decide on my work permit, not the BFM in Berne.

Which is quite correct. The initial application is cleared by the BFM in Bern, any subsequent changes are cleared by the canton.

If you think Zurich issued you a permit without having it initially cleared by Bern, then you are wrong.

Additionally, as of January 1st, non-EU B permit holders are not restricted anymore as far as cantonal mobility is concerned.

jrspet 29.01.2008 09:58

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
Yes, the BFM gave me the clearance, and the ZH Canton formalised it with their own set of rules and conditions for the work permit.

Alirezakarimi 29.01.2008 10:20

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by xfreakx (Post 163958)
I am not sure how long I will have to wait, but I know of another Indian who got a C-permit after about only 18 months of stay.


Could someone clarify this for us ?
Under which circumstances is it possible ?
It was the first time that I heard this .

litespeed 29.01.2008 10:27

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by xfreakx (Post 163958)
but I know of another Indian who got a C-permit after about only 18 months of stay. Also he is in IT which might have made it faster/easier for him to get the C-permit.

I have great doubts about this statement...big doubts...

I will merge this thread with the others relating to non-eu C-permits.

Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 10:35

Re: Did I get a C permit?!!
 
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Originally Posted by jrspet (Post 164057)
Yes, the BFM gave me the clearance, and the ZH Canton formalised it with their own set of rules and conditions for the work permit.


Just so we're on the same page, there are no specific cantonal rules as far as the work permits are concerned. The cantons do not have legislative authority in that domain.

Guest 29.01.2008 10:54

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Just go to the link below for up-to-date information on work/residence permits

http://www.ch.ch/private/00029/00030...x.html?lang=en

Does your friend or a member of his family work for an international organisation - like the Bank of International Settlements or the UN? He would then be entitled to a Ci permit. This is red in colour.

Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 11:31

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by loquacious louise (Post 164110)
Just go to the link below for up-to-date information on work/residence permits

http://www.ch.ch/private/00029/00030...x.html?lang=en

Does your friend or a member of his family work for an international organisation - like the Bank of International Settlements or the UN? He would then be entitled to a Ci permit. This is red in colour.


To be quite precise, an international organisations employee receives a legitimation card from the Foreign Affairs department (and the color codes thereof will reflect the particular privileges the holder has). His (her) spouse will receive the Ci if (s)he applies for a job.

Ritchie 29.01.2008 18:14

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Personen, welche keine Bewilligung zur Ausübung einer Erwerbstätigkeit brauchen

http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/0.gif http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif
Personen mit Aufenthaltsregelung im Familiennachzug:
Angehörige von Personen, welche eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung im Familiennachzug besitzen, brauchen keine Bewilligung zur Erwerbstätigkeit, wenn der Ehegatte oder die Eltern folgenden Aufenthaltstatus haben:
  • Schweizer Staatsbürger
  • Niederlassung C
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung B
- ausgenommen Zulassung aus persönlichem Härtefall
- ausgenommen Studienaufenthalter / Ausbildung
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung (EG/EFTA-Ausweis)

What if you entered Switzerland in Familiennachzug without work permit and got your work permit later with hassle. would you still need to go through the whole process once more and apply for a new work permit if you wanted to change job and canton? (non-EU and B permit)

Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 18:18

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 164486)
What if you entered Switzerland in Familiennachzug without work permit and got your work permit later with hassle. would you still need to go through the whole process once more and apply for a new work permit if you wanted to change job and canton? (non-EU and B permit)

No, just as it says in the text. This is one part where the law has become more "foreigner-friendly" since January 1st.

Ritchie 29.01.2008 18:23

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 164490)
No, just as it says in the text. This is one part where the law has become more "foreigner-friendly" since January 1st.

Even if the employer's name and address is stated on the permit?

Shorrick Mk2 29.01.2008 18:33

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 164492)
Even if the employer's name and address is stated on the permit?

Yes... Even then.

Ritchie 29.01.2008 18:53

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 164497)
Yes... Even then.

Wowl! So you would just have to go to the Kreisbüro and have them change your permit? We still get our residence permit renewd together (still Familiennachzug thing, though I have a work permit)...do you know if I can have it issued independently and without the word "Familiennachzug" on it?

Guest 30.01.2008 09:57

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
When I worked with work permits 3 years ago, it was your employer who had to apply for the work permit not the individual. Therefore, your new employer should be willing to do the paoerwork and request for a transfer of the permit to their name (change of employer). Things have changed since. So if I were you, I would check with the Arbeitsamt. There are some very nice helpful people there.

Ritchie 30.01.2008 10:40

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by loquacious louise (Post 164762)
...Therefore, your new employer should be willing to do the paoerwork and request for a transfer of the permit to their name (change of employer)...

What you are saying is not in line with:
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Personen, welche keine Bewilligung zur Ausübung einer Erwerbstätigkeit brauchen

http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/0.gif http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif
Personen mit Aufenthaltsregelung im Familiennachzug:
Angehörige von Personen, welche eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung im Familiennachzug besitzen, brauchen keine Bewilligung zur Erwerbstätigkeit, wenn der Ehegatte oder die Eltern folgenden Aufenthaltstatus haben:
  • Schweizer Staatsbürger
  • Niederlassung C
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung B
- ausgenommen Zulassung aus persönlichem Härtefall
- ausgenommen Studienaufenthalter / Ausbildung
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung (EG/EFTA-Ausweis)

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...I would check with the Arbeitsamt. There are some very nice helpful people there.
Aren't they responsible for employment?

Guest 31.01.2008 11:47

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
They are the labour department. Like I said, things have changed since I worked with work permits. I understand from a colleague that she went to the MIgartionsamt for info, In the old days, we (i.e.the employers) applied for permits through the Arbeitsamt. The cycle was so.
Arbeitsamt - BFA - Arbeitsamt - cannot remember if it came back to us straight after that or if had to be cleared by the cantonal authorities first. The process took 4 -6 weeks. Like i said before, things have changed since.

Samsan 31.01.2008 16:16

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Dear Shorrick,

Thanks for the details you have given. I have a slightly different case and need your help.

I came to Swtzerland last year on an L permit - my wife also came with me on a dependent L permit.

This year my company has applied for a change from the L to B permit - the process is underway - and meanwhile my wife has got a job offer from a company.

Need your help - in either case - whether we get an L or B, will there be any problem for my wife to take up employment?

Thanks a ton!

Shorrick Mk2 31.01.2008 16:40

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Samsan (Post 165700)

Need your help - in either case - whether we get an L or B, will there be any problem for my wife to take up employment?

Thanks a ton!

L - problem, time limited B (i.e. project work) - problem, B - no problem.

Samsan 31.01.2008 16:43

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Thanks Shorrick.

My company has applied for B for 3 years - is this "Time limited"?

And when you say problem - does this mean possible or impossible?

Cheers!


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