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Ritchie 31.01.2008 16:45

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How can you tell if your B is time-limited or normal? Aren't they both Auslanderausweis Aufenthaltsbewilligung B?

Shorrick Mk2 31.01.2008 16:51

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Originally Posted by Samsan (Post 165730)
Thanks Shorrick.

My company has applied for B for 3 years - is this "Time limited"?

Yes.

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And when you say problem - does this mean possible or impossible?

Cheers!
Possible but rather very difficult as I see it.

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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 165733)
How can you tell the if your B is time-limited or normal? Aren't they both Auslanderausweis Aufenthaltsbewilligung B?

The time-limited permits have a "befristet auf" mention, with the usual limitation being three years.

Ritchie 31.01.2008 17:18

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New law (Entwurf Ausländergesetz (AuG)) from:
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/etc/medialib...ergleich_d.pdf

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Gleich wie ANAG, aber Anspruch nach 10 Jahren für alle, wenn keine
Widerrufsgründe (v.a. Verurteilungen und Sozialhilfe).
Bei guter Integration kann Niederlassungsbewilligung generell bereits nach 5 Jahren erteilt werden. Kontrollfrist 5 Jahre. Bei Ausreise Aufrechterhaltung 3 Jahre möglich.
Is this draft still valid?
I remember there was a lot of discussion on C permit and how American nationals (and Ausies) can apply for it after 5 and others after 10 years.

Shorrick Mk2 31.01.2008 17:22

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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 165756)
New law (Entwurf Ausländergesetz (AuG)) from:
http://www.bfm.admin.ch/etc/medialib...ergleich_d.pdf

Is this draft still valid?

Yes

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I remember there was a lot of discussion on C permit and how American nationals (and Ausies) can apply for it after 5 and others after 10 years.
Definitely not Australians.

Ritchie 31.01.2008 17:51

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 165736)

The time-limited permits have a "befristet auf" mention, with the usual limitation being three years.

With usual limitation do you mean it's validity period? or how many times (or up to a specific date) it can be renewd?

Shorrick Mk2 31.01.2008 18:03

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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 165774)
With usual limitation do you mean it's validity period? or how many times (or up to a specific date) it can be renewd?

Usual limitation means that the work authorisation is delivered for (i.e. you are allowed to work in that position) a maximum of three years after the issuance date. The permit has a yearly validity so you have to renew it two times. Once the limit is reached, either the company applies for a one-off prolongation of another maximum three years, or it doesn't in which case the holder has to leave Switzerland.

Ritchie 01.02.2008 10:10

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Back to C permit:
How would they count the years you have been in CH? Only the years you have been working are counted or the whole stay time? Does your work permit have any influence? I have a feeling that they decide individually! I read in Halloschweiz forum the story of a PhD student who convinced them (Bern) to count his whole stay and there were others who didn't make it! His case was rejected in kanton (Basel I think) and he sent a complaint to Bern. He received a positive answer within a month.

Shorrick Mk2 05.02.2008 00:32

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Originally Posted by Ritchie (Post 166030)
Back to C permit:
How would they count the years you have been in CH? Only the years you have been working are counted or the whole stay time? Does your work permit have any influence? I have a feeling that they decide individually! I read in Halloschweiz forum the story of a PhD student who convinced them (Bern) to count his whole stay and there were others who didn't make it! His case was rejected in kanton (Basel I think) and he sent a complaint to Bern. He received a positive answer within a month.

IN general the years spent as a student are not counted towards the C permit (the law is pretty specific on that). They count only as far as nationality is concerned. Weird, i know.

BenderRules 05.02.2008 17:28

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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 165726)
L - problem, time limited B (i.e. project work) - problem, B - no problem.

Shorrick, I was a bit disheartened seeing this information .. I am interested in the second category ...

But could you have a look at
http://www.englishforum.ch/permits-v...-b-permit.html

Post #11??

The poster has mentioned no problems whatsoever as in gemeninde haus and Arbesitsamt person did not even ask anything!
Is there a thin silver line in the cloud which says, "maybe"? Which means there is no sureity either way, or even better should I look forward to the balance tilted on my side ?

mora 09.03.2008 13:51

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Hello everyone. I am new to this forum and find quite good to get information regarding all preocesses concerning to Switzerland. I am working in Switzerland on permit B from past one and half months and my contract is for unlimited period. i am a non EU citizen (India). I have applied visa for my wife in the Gemeinde (submitted all documets as they asked, birth certificate, marriage certificate..etc) where i registered for my new 2 room appartment. Now question is , i would like to know what the process in migrationsamt and in embassy in india, how much time it takes to get visa. Could anybody explain me with correct information?

Thanks in advance
MORA

kalyan 10.03.2008 09:05

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Hi Mora,
Am also in the same boat. My wife applied for her visa with a personal appearance in Mumbai on the Feb 20th and she has got the authorization today. So you can assume that it will take 3 weeks at the least for her to get the visa authorization and another 3-4 days for them to stamp it and return it back. Am based out of Zurich and my wifes visa was processed by the migrations authorities in Zurich. I have heard that Zurich is the fastest when it comes to processing things like this!

Some more information would help me give you an exact answer.

1. Has your wife made a personal appearance?
2. Have you got your marriage certificate legalized? (Am assuming you are an indian citizen and your marriage happened in India)
3. Have you registered yourself with the authorities here?

mora 10.03.2008 09:36

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Hi Kalyan,
Thanks for u r information. I got new appartment (for me n my wife) and registerd in Gemeinde here. They forwarded the documents (marriage certificate, etc) to Migrationsamt on last monday. And they said that it will take 4-6 weeks to get the visa autharisation for my wife .
Could u please tell me what is the procedure? I have got marrigge certificate and authorised with lawyer. My wife didnt appear to the embassy.
1. Do they (Embassy in Mumbai) inform my wife or me, to appear to Embassy in India?
2. How do trace the whole process?
3.What the exact documents to be submit in India Consulte?
Please do reply me
Thanks

kapeed 10.03.2008 09:46

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Originally Posted by mora (Post 186217)
Hi Kalyan,
Thanks for u r information. I got new appartment (for me n my wife) and registerd in Gemeinde here. They forwarded the documents (marriage certificate, etc) to Migrationsamt on last monday. And they said that it will take 4-6 weeks to get the visa autharisation for my wife .
Could u please tell me what is the procedure? I have got marrigge certificate and authorised with lawyer. My wife didnt appear to the embassy.
1. Do they (Embassy in Mumbai) inform my wife or me, to appear to Embassy in India?
2. How do trace the whole process?
3.What the exact documents to be submit in India Consulte?
Please do reply me
Thanks

1) It is not necessary for a personal appearance. My wife got the visa thro post. You can go through a travel agent to send the passport to Swiss consulate in Mumbai
2) The only way to track is to call the consulate in Mumbai and ask the status of your application. Typically, it does take 3-4 weeks for the entire process, assuming you have submitted all documents
3) I am assuming you are referring to Swiss consulate in India - Documents to be sent are mentioned on the website. It includes - attested marriage documents, letter requesting visa, job contract, permit and passport copies, apartment contract copy

mora 10.03.2008 10:13

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Hi Kalyan,
I have submitted marriage documents, letter requesting visa, job contract, permit and passport copies, apartment contract copy in the "Gemeinde" (city office where i registered my new rented appartment) here in Switzerland. The City office (Gemeinde) said that after 4-6 weeks i will recieve an authorisation letter for visa for my wife and they will send it to me by post to my address in Switzerland and at the same time to Switzerland consulate in Mumbai. And then my wife can go to Swiss Embassy in India and submit application form and can collect visa.

Now please clarify me, as u mentioned earlier, it takes 3 weeks after submitting all the mentione above documents in Swiss Consulate in India as u r wife did. Is the same process to all who are working here on B permit?
1. When should my wife visit consulate in India? i mean after getting authorisation from Migrationsamt ?
2.and marriage certificate must be attested with home ministry while applying for visa or by any authorised lawer will work?
Hope i am not confusing u and sorry to bother.
Regards
I am from Andhra Pradesh.

kalyan 10.03.2008 15:52

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Hi Mora,
This is the link to the mumbai consulate is http://www.eda.admin.ch/mumbai and i have uploaded the check list for a dependent visa.

We started the application process from India, that is the difference i see between you and me. If you see the check list it categorically says that a personal appearance is mandatory. I guess Kapeed would have proceed his wifes dependent permit last year.:confused: I was told that a lot of rules were changed with effect from 01.01.2008.:msncrazy:

One thing for certain is you would have to get your marriage certificate legalized by the home ministry. That is mandatory. So you can start that process already because that is going to take some time. You may get that done faster if you know someone in the government :cool:

I would also suggest that you call the Mumbai consulate and talk to them regarding your case. Call in the morning from 8:15 to 11 or in the afternoon from 1 - 3. They are quite helpful!

All the best! :)

Danscooter27 16.03.2008 07:35

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Originally Posted by swissbob (Post 154669)
Yes, she can certainly look for a job. If offered a job the employer must then make the case for the work permit. This is difficult, especially since the latest changes in the legislation. For example, the employer would have to show that there was no Swiss or EU person available to take the job.

Put simply, it is going to be very difficult for your wife to find a job.

Hi Swissbob,

I am a little confused upon reading your response to Kalyan.

My understanding is that if your spouse has a residency permit B with authorisation to work and you have a residency permit B without authorisation to work; that in transforming your permit to a residency permit B with authorisation to work, there is no need for the employer to demonstrate they have been unable to find someone in the local market for the position.

You refer to new legislation - can you please tell me exactly what this legislation says in this regard?

I am a non-EU Australian coming to Zurich with a spousal dependent permit B and will be hoping to work. After reading your email saying it would be very difficult for Kalyan's wife to get a job I am feeling rather deflated!!

Thanks for your help in advance!

Melissa

16.03.2008 08:51

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Originally Posted by Danscooter27 (Post 189675)
Hi Swissbob,

I am a little confused upon reading your response to Kalyan.

My understanding is that if your spouse has a residency permit B with authorisation to work and you have a residency permit B without authorisation to work; that in transforming your permit to a residency permit B with authorisation to work, there is no need for the employer to demonstrate they have been unable to find someone in the local market for the position.

You refer to new legislation - can you please tell me exactly what this legislation says in this regard?

I am a non-EU Australian coming to Zurich with a spousal dependent permit B and will be hoping to work. After reading your email saying it would be very difficult for Kalyan's wife to get a job I am feeling rather deflated!!

Thanks for your help in advance!

Melissa

If your permit is attached to a project related position rather than an open ended employment contract then you may be treated differently as in the case you mention. Otherwise, what you say is correct.

Danscooter27 16.03.2008 12:26

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Thanks for your quick response Swissbob!

So by the sounds of it if my husband is granted a project-related position then I would not be entitled to work, however if he is granted an open-ended employment contract I would.

Next step is to find out from the University of Zurich (where he will be doing his post-doc) which one they are applying for on his behalf!

Thanks again,

Cheers :)

justdoit 16.03.2008 14:03

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Danscooter27 (Post 189767)
Thanks for your quick response Swissbob!

So by the sounds of it if my husband is granted a project-related position then I would not be entitled to work, however if he is granted an open-ended employment contract I would.

Next step is to find out from the University of Zurich (where he will be doing his post-doc) which one they are applying for on his behalf!

Thanks again,

Cheers :)

Sorry to be dissappoint you but if you spouse has a student B permit then you dont come under the new rule. If your spouse here for studies normally a Student B permit is granted. May be i am wrong in assuming that your spouse is here for studies

BenK 17.03.2008 01:00

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
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Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 167547)
IN general the years spent as a student are not counted towards the C permit (the law is pretty specific on that). They count only as far as nationality is concerned. Weird, i know.

Would a Ci permit (international organizations) count toward the normal C permit or nationality?


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