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Shorrick Mk2 08.06.2007 16:17

Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
============A permit is required before accepting any job=========


Legal base: Federal Aliens Law in German ; Federal Aliens Law in French


Gainful employment is any activity carried out as a self-employed or employed person, temporary or permanent, which is usually paid, even if no payment is received :
  • for an employer which is based in Switzerland or abroad, no matter where the salary is paid
  • as an apprentice, trainee, volunteer, sportsperson, social worker, au pair, artist, etc...
First employment : priority for residents

When a first employment is involved, priority will be given to Swiss nationals seeking employment or foreigners residing in Switzerland and who hold resident and work permits.
The employer is required to prove :
  • that it has made every possible effort to find a worker on the Swiss and European local labour market, the latter if the application concerns a non-European national
  • that it has notified the job in question to the Cantonal Employment Office by means of the Vacancy "We are searching" form and that the Office has been unable to find a candidate within a reasonable period
  • that for the post in question it cannot train or have trained within a reasonable period a person available on the labour market
Conditions of employment, employment contract

Permits may only be granted if the employer is offering the foreign national the same salary and employment conditions current locally and in the industry and if the foreign national has adequate sickness insurance.

The employment contract must be enclosed with any application, whatever the period of employment.


Changing a job or place of work

Since the 1st of Jan. 2008 foreign nationals who hold an annual work permit (B Permit) must no longer obtain permission to change job, profession or canton and to change from employment to self-employment. Note this applies only to permits delivered for long-term contracts, not to short-duration or job-specific (i.e. project) permits. Legal base Art. 38 AuG / LEtr

Obtaining a visa - application and first entry into Switzerland

The prospective employer must do the application on behalf of the prospective employee. The vetting process can take up to three months. Once the authorisation to receive a work permit is delivered, foreign nationals must apply with it for the specific entry visa at the Swiss consulate / embassy of their residence. Upon entering Switzerland, the visa must be stamped by the immigration officers at the border. Failure to get a stamp may result in being required to exit and reenter Switzerland to get said stamp.

Types of permits - Permit / Duration / Requirements

note - those are general non-exhaustive examples



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B PERMITS


B PERMIT (Ausländerausweis)
LONG-TERM WORK PERMIT. SUBJECT TO QUOTA (Aufenthaltbewilligung mit Erwerbstätigkeit)
  • Economic interests
  • Employee qualifications
  • Priority for Swiss and European Union workers
  • Compliance with local employment conditions
  • Availability of quota
  • Renewable until granting of settlement C permit after 10 years (USA + Canada 5 years)
B PERMIT
ANNUAL SHORT-TERM WORK PERMIT. SUBJECT TO QUOTA (Kurzaufenthaltbewilligung)
  • Important projects
  • Career plan
  • International joint programmes
  • Sportspersons
  • Up to 3 years,even a maximum of 6 years in certain cases
RESIDENTS' B PERMIT (Aufenthaltbewilligung im Rahmen des Familiennachzugs)
LONG-TERM RESIDENCE PERMIT. NOT SUBJECT TO QUOTA
  • Permit delivered for family dependents.
  • Does not include work permission - this must be applied for separately (no quotas; indigenous priority does not apply anymore since 1.1.08)
  • Renewable
  • Possibility of conversion into C Permit
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L PERMIT
SHORT-TERM PERMIT NOT SUBJECT TO QUOTA
(für die Ausübung einer kurzfristigen Erwerbstätigkeit sowie für andere vorübergehende Aufenthalte)
  • Training, project, setting up IT systems, fiduciary review, extra labour in a very busy period, start-ups
  • 4 consecutive months
L PERMIT
SHORT-TERM PERMIT NOT SUBJECT TO QUOTA
  • Management and development of a company when the presence of a manager is not required all year
  • 120 days over 12 months
L PERMIT
SHORT-TERM PERMIT SUBJECT TO QUOTA
  • Trainees in general and other foreigners managing projects (e.g. setting up an IT system, fiduciary review, expert opinion, etc.); European seconded workers for periods exceeding 90 working days
  • Young people employed as au pairs aged from 18 to 30 years : Canadian, USA, Australian and New Zealand nationals (30 hrs work per week)
  • Young workers qualified as health professionals and trained abroad who wish to develop their professional skills
Third countries workers :
Renewable up to a maximum of 24 months


L PERMIT
SHORT-TERM PERMIT SUBJECT TO QUOTA BY COMPANY
  • Cabaret dancers and other artists (Form A7)
  • Maximum 8 months in a calendar year
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G PERMIT
BORDER COMMUTER PERMIT
(für Grenzgängerinnen und Grenzgänger)
  • Third countries workers under specific circumstances
  • Priority for workers on the labour market
  • Compliance with employment conditions
  • Employee qualifications
  • Changing job, profession and canton
  • Valid for 1 year
  • Renewable
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N PERMIT
ASYLUM SEEKER
(für Asylsuchende. Dieser Ausweis wird von den kantonalen Behörden gestützt auf den Entscheid des Bundesamtes für Migration ausgestellt)


Foreign nationals, who during the time their asylum application is being processed are permitted to seek temporary employment until a ruling is given on the asylum application

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F PERMIT
TEMPORARY ADMISSION
(für vorläufig aufgenommene Ausländerinnen und Ausländer (Art. 14a ANAG, Art. 5 VVWA). Dieser Ausweis wird von den kantonalen Behörden gestützt auf eine Verfügung des Bundesamtes für Migration ausgestellt.)


Work permit for certain foreign nationals who do not qualify for asylum
Renewable

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Ci PERMIT
(Dieser Ausweis wird von den kantonalen Behörden für erwerbstätige Ehepartner und Kinder von Angehörigen ausländischer Vertretungen oder intergouvernementaler Organisationen (IO) ausgestellt.)

Work permit for the spouse of an employee of an international organisation, living as part of a family unit, and children under 21 years.

The competent body for the examination of Ci permit application is the Office cantonal de la population (I leave this in French as the majority of Ci applicants are Geneva-based)

Subject to the duration of the post of the holder of the "carte de légitimation" [Legitimation card]
Note that accession to a Ci card implies loss of fiscal and professional jurisdictional immunity.


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C PERMIT
SETTLEMENT PERMIT

Here endeth your quest...after a five year uninterrupted stay (EU + US + Canada) or otherwise ten (RoW).

Implications:
  • Holders are not taxed at source anymore - regardless of income level.
  • Holders can buy residences unrestricted to a primary residence.
  • Holders can vote and be eligible on communal matters.
  • In some cantons holders can apply and be enrolled in the police force.
  • Moving and changing jobs is not subject to any authorisation whatsoever.
  • The permit can be suspended for as much as four years if the holder wishes to move temporarily abroad for education or career purposes.
  • The holder is entitled to unemployment (provided he contributed for the standard period to unemployment insurance).
  • Holders can work independently without applying for authorisation.

Lob 08.06.2007 16:43

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Good effort, Shozza
The questions to this answer have already been posted btw ;)

jamesWtc 08.06.2007 17:22

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Could you please post the german version of permit types?

Thank you!

Shorrick Mk2 08.06.2007 17:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesWtc (Post 70633)
Could you please post the german version of permit types?

Thank you!

I think the letter designator is the same in German... or did you mean permits issued by Germany, in which case I don't have a clue.

jamesWtc 08.06.2007 17:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 70634)
I think the letter designator is the same in German... or did you mean permits issued by Germany, in which case I don't have a clue.

like B permit, there are long term and short term, etc...

what are them in german, as appear in official letters?

09.06.2007 07:17

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Good information Shorrick but maybe a small caveat is required?

While the permit types and their application to various situations is clearly defined and published, the spirit of the law doesn't always match the letter and if an individual cannot see the permit type for their own situation it doesn't necessarily mean they won't get one.

For example, non EU employee of IT consulting company offered a 12 month contract received a 12 month L permit.

Shorrick Mk2 09.06.2007 07:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shorrick Mk2 (Post 70607)
L PERMIT
SHORT-TERM PERMIT SUBJECT TO QUOTA
  • Trainees in general and other foreigners managing projects (e.g. setting up an IT system, fiduciary review, expert opinion, etc.); European seconded workers for periods exceeding 90 working days
  • Young people employed as au pairs aged from 18 to 30 years : Canadian, USA, Australian and New Zealand nationals (30 hrs work per week)
  • Young workers qualified as health professionals and trained abroad who wish to develop their professional skills


Quote:

Originally Posted by swissbob (Post 70718)

For example, non EU employee of IT consulting company offered a 12 month contract received a 12 month L permit.

Thanks - I did my best, the spirit of the law is detailed on about one hundred and fifty A4 pages...

The situation you mentioned seems pretty much in accordance with the conditions for the short term L permit I bolded above - or maybe I miss your point?

09.06.2007 08:02

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You did great - it's a very useful summary.

The point was that it ain't black and white - my guy is not a trainee, not a manager, not a European seconded worker, not an au pair, and not a health worker.

But you are quite right - that is the perrmit he was issued.

What I'd like to avoid is a prospective Swiss immigrant going through the list, not seeing a match for them, and giving up so I thought a little caveat edited in to the post like "These are the permit types with typical situations but the authorities will also consider other situations that do not precisely match the examples." Too wordy, but you get the idea.

aryadne 11.06.2007 03:04

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
thanks for the overview

Thambo 06.07.2007 15:29

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Nice guide Shorrick



Edit - I am a dumb ass - this is for Non- EU people

ExpatAdventures 28.07.2007 19:51

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Quick questions:

What about working for a day or two? Like if someone is just flown over to lead a two-day training seminar? Would she have to have a permit then?

What about starting one's own company? Is that easier?

Thanks!

Rebecca

Lob 28.07.2007 20:02

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
for a two-day seminar - no problem. But judging by your other posts, you need to marry your German partner to easily stay here long term

mmarcielo 28.08.2007 16:52

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Shorrick, thanks a lot! Clairfies few points. But I still have a question. Upon getting original B permit how long are you required (if required at all) to stay in same canton with same employer? I heard something about 2 years, but am not sure at all it is so. Could you please enlighten me?

28.08.2007 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarcielo (Post 98262)
Shorrick, thanks a lot! Clairfies few points. But I still have a question. Upon getting original B permit how long are you required (if required at all) to stay in same canton with same employer? I heard something about 2 years, but am not sure at all it is so. Could you please enlighten me?

As non-EU your permit is tied to your employer and to the Kanton - you need permission to change and generally this is only given if your current role has ended early through no fault of your own. It is more unlikely such permission will be given before 12 months but there are exceptions.

Richard 28.08.2007 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mmarcielo (Post 98262)
Shorrick, thanks a lot! Clairfies few points. But I still have a question. Upon getting original B permit how long are you required (if required at all) to stay in same canton with same employer? I heard something about 2 years, but am not sure at all it is so. Could you please enlighten me?

Just as a little tip. If you are asking these questions it helps to say whether you are EU or not ie whether your permit is EU/EFTA or not. Given that you have said you are Russian I will assume the answer is no ie not EU.

When the permit is initially given it is finally approved federally and they hold your dossier for a period of 12 months. There is then a one month wait before the transfer to the canton is completed. At this point you can change jobs within the canton without approval federally which is a clear advantage - ie you have one less hurdle to jump over. However as soon as you change canton you are back to a federal approval AFAIK. So the answer to your question is there is not a limit but if you are instigating the move and you try and do this within the first 12 months you are likely to be rejected. If you are instigating a move within the canton after 13 months you are likely to be okay and if it is to another canton then it is up to the newly sponsoring company. Note if you are with the same employer and this employer requires you to change cantons this is never a problem.

But then this is Shorricks domain so he can confirm what I just said hey efendi!

AussieRon 29.08.2007 17:45

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Hi Shorrick,

My wife and I just arrived in Zürich about 6 weeks ago. She has started work with one of the big banks here and they have made all the arrangements for obtaining the permits, etc. We are both non-EU - she is American and I am Australian.

We are still awaiting the final permits - hers should be a long-term B permit and mine a resident's B permit - although we registered with the local Kantonal office shortly after we arrived.

We are currently living temporarily in Stadt Zürich, but are considering finding a place in Zug. My wife would continue to work in Zürich. Would we require permission to move to Zug as our residence, or is this only relevant if her place of employment were to change to a different canton?

Thanks.

Shorrick Mk2 19.09.2007 13:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieRon (Post 98734)
. Would we require permission to move to Zug as our residence, or is this only relevant if her place of employment were to change to a different canton?

Thanks.

Yes, you would indeed.

timpy 01.10.2007 20:48

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I am writing this to clarify further to Non EU B Permit holders to apply for the dependent visa for the spouse. May be we can stick it saperately.

The first thing is your spouse here on a non EU permit will have to apply for the dependent visa here in Switzerland. Then he will get a response from the Migrationsamt on what they need, a legalization or a verification. To start this process you need to get all the documents like Marraige Certificate (or even birth certificate if you have children) transalated in german from some approved translator.

Next step would be to submit the papers to the local embassy / consulate along with the letter from the Migrationamt, copy of employment contract and permit of spouse living in switzerland. A covering letter from the HR of the company would probably make it better. They will ask you for a deposit of SFR 1000 towards the cost of legalization and verification. When it is done then they send you the bill and balance amount.

After that submittion it will take anywhere between 1 to 3 months to get the marraige verified and legalized. They might visit your or your spouse's residence for the verification purpose, even the autorities who have issued the certificate etc. After they have verified or legalized your certificates they will internally send it to the Migrationsamt.

After Migrationsamt receives this they will send you a letter here which will state that your spouse and kids got an approval for dependent B Permit. You'll have to send this letter to your spouse. She will have to then send the passport and the letter to the embassy / consulate. They will stamp your passport with two months single entry visa. You can get it stamped and when you come here you can go to geminde / Krie Buro and register your self to get the B permit booklet in next 2 -6 weeks.

In the entire process you can call consulate and embassy to ask them the current status and when to follow it up next (beleive me it is like that :)), sometimes not funny though).

Hope it helps. If moderators think it is not a nice place for this info then may be we can create another sticky.

More precise and valuable input is welcome (esp. from Richard and Shorrick)
Regards
T

alefsin 15.10.2007 13:58

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A very interesting summary Shorrick. Thanks!

But how can I say what type of B permit I've got? For example, you can look at my permit.

I have also a question about my situation and changing my job. I'd highly appreciate it if someone could help me. You can find my question here.

Thanks,
AlefSin

dbsb 23.10.2007 21:30

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I think it is not to early to start discussion about the new law (Bundesgesetz über die Ausländerinnen und Ausländer or Ausländer Gesetz) that will go into effect on 1.1.2008.

I have read the German version (no English version available) and have several questions, but first to clarify few points.
This law does not deal with EU/EFTA citizen only with Non-EU or Asylum.

Lets start with my example:
I will get (hopefully - it is in process) so called long term work B permit and my wife will get residence B permit (all applied together). According to current law and what I have seen in the posts in this forum she can't work without going through the similar process I have gone through (Non-EU process - we are US nationals).
Questions from the new law - is this going to change? Here are articles from the new law that could be interpreted that way (sorry they are in German):

Art. 33 Aufenthaltsbewilligung
1 Die Aufenthaltsbewilligung wird für Aufenthalte mit einer Dauer von mehr als einem Jahr erteilt.
2 Sie wird für einen bestimmten Aufenthaltszweck erteilt und kann mit weiteren Bedingungen verbunden werden.
3 Sie ist befristet und kann verlängert werden, wenn keine Widerrufsgründe nach Artikel 62 vorliegen.

This is more or less clear and it should apply to long term B permit (correct me if I am wrong).

The emphasis of this new law as they are advertising it is on family integration into the swiss society.
Article 44

Art. 44 Ehegatten und Kinder von Personen mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung
Ausländischen Ehegatten und ledigen Kindern unter 18 Jahren von Personen mit Aufenthaltsbewilligung kann eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung erteilt werden, wenn:
a. sie mit diesen zusammenwohnen;
b. eine bedarfsgerechte Wohnung vorhanden ist; und
c. sie nicht auf Sozialhilfe angewiesen sind.

and then Article 46 states the following

Art. 46 Erwerbstätigkeit der Ehegatten und Kinder
Ehegatten und Kinder von Schweizerinnen und Schweizern sowie von Personen miteiner Niederlassungs- oder Aufenthaltsbewilligung (Art. 42–44) können eine selbständige oder unselbständige Erwerbstätigkeit in der ganzen Schweiz ausüben.

My understanding is if I get B permit that classifies me into a category described in the Article 33 as Aufenthaltsbewilligung than my wife will get her Aufenthaltsbewilligung according to Article 44 and according to Article 46 she would be able to look for work without going through the process of proofing that she is the only one for the job ... (current Non-EU rules).

Am I just picking thinks I like to see here :) or?

What do other people think? I am attaching the copy of the law here for any other discussion.

Looking forward for your opinions.

Thanks

timpy 26.10.2007 21:12

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Dear dbsb,

Thanks a lot for the updated information. I was wondering if it has anything related to changing jobs for non EU B permits or any changes in this side at all. I think this is one of the most common questions by non EU guys here in this forum.

I am asking you because my german is not that good.

Thanks once again

dbsb 28.10.2007 23:18

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According to the Article 38 #2 B permit holders (or better long-term B permit holders) could change jobs and work anywhere in the Switzerland if the permit says that they are allowed to work (selbständigen oder unselbständigen Erwerbstätigkeit zugelassen sind).

This is just what the law is saying - don't know how it is going to be implemented beginning of the next year.

"Art. 38 Erwerbstätigkeit

2 Personen mit einer Aufenthaltsbewilligung, die zur selbständigen oder unselbständigen Erwerbstätigkeit zugelassen sind, können ihre Tätigkeit in der ganzen Schweiz ausüben. Sie können die Stelle ohne weitere Bewilligung wechseln.
3 Personen mit einer Aufenthaltsbewilligung kann der Wechsel zu einer selbständigen Erwerbstätigkeit bewilligt werden, wenn die Voraussetzungen nach Artikel 19 Buchstaben a und b erfüllt sind."



Quote:

Originally Posted by timpy (Post 122902)
I was wondering if it has anything related to changing jobs for non EU B permits or any changes in this side at all. I think this is one of the most common questions by non EU guys here in this forum.


milleniumride 31.10.2007 16:06

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Hello everybody,
First of all thanks for the bullet points.. it really helped! i have a question though, coz im one of those unique cases :P well i have an non-EU passport but with permanent residency in UK. i came to start studying here in CH. i have finished registering in my local Kreisburo and have the receipt and am currently waitin for my permit. however before comin here i applied for a student visa in the london consulate and found out yest dat it has been authorised. basically this was meant to be for entry i guess.. i was tryin to follow all the rules! but i've already come here on my PR status with UK. and the local kresiburo accepted everythin. now im in a fix do i still need to fly back to london to get the student visa stamped?? can anyone please help.
thanks in advance!
VG..

Shorrick Mk2 31.10.2007 17:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by milleniumride (Post 125472)
Hello everybody,
First of all thanks for the bullet points.. it really helped! i have a question though, coz im one of those unique cases :P well i have an non-EU passport but with permanent residency in UK. i came to start studying here in CH. i have finished registering in my local Kreisburo and have the receipt and am currently waitin for my permit. however before comin here i applied for a student visa in the london consulate and found out yest dat it has been authorised. basically this was meant to be for entry i guess.. i was tryin to follow all the rules! but i've already come here on my PR status with UK. and the local kresiburo accepted everythin. now im in a fix do i still need to fly back to london to get the student visa stamped?? can anyone please help.
thanks in advance!
VG..

You're not really unique....

I am very surprised the Kreisburo accepted your application on the back of a UK PR status. When did that happen?

To answer your question, yes, they may well require you to get the visa in the passport and get it stamped.

By the way, you didn't try very hard to follow all the rules, as you came here knowing full well that you require a student visa.

jsherk 31.10.2007 17:13

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I need to ask a question and am work so I don't have time to go through all the detail looking through all threads (laptop at home crapped out).

My wife is moving back to Zurich from Chicago with our 8 month old son tomorrow. She is Swiss and therefore, he is Swiss and was registered during her last visit in September. I will be following as soon as I can sell our home. It is not very clear from the Visa application on the Consulate website as to whether or not I would be allowed to find work once over there. Would I be subject to the Non-EU requirments of a employer proving that I am the only qualified candidate?

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

kigho 10.12.2007 17:15

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Hi,

I am new to this forum and I have a question about whether L-permit holders have the right to start a company in Switzerland.

I will be working in Lausanne as from Jan 2008 with an L-permit and since I have a couple of ideas I wanted to test, I wanted to start a form there.

I also have a friend who is a swiss national who could be interested in setting up the firm with me.

Maybe these issues have already been discussed here , if so, I would be thankful if you could redirect me to the appropriate threads.

Thanks
kiran

Terlikci 17.12.2007 07:44

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Hi all,

I am also quite new to this forum. I have a question. I will start for as Senior in one of the Big Four, I have sumitted the formal documents for work permit, as well as some reference letters from my previous employers, my ex-directors and MD as supporting documents.

My question is how good are the Big Four in getting the Visa, do they have more influence to get the visa? Secondly, I have indefinate contract, what are my chances to get B visa, can I get at least L and convert it to B a year later? Is there any place where I can see the status of quotas in Basel?

Thank you in advance,

S.T.

Shorrick Mk2 19.12.2007 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Terlikci (Post 146699)
Hi all,

I am also quite new to this forum. I have a question. I will start for as Senior in one of the Big Four, I have sumitted the formal documents for work permit, as well as some reference letters from my previous employers, my ex-directors and MD as supporting documents.

My question is how good are the Big Four in getting the Visa, do they have more influence to get the visa?

The higher the position the better the chances. Big companies know the system better (and pay more expensive lawyers) therefore produce better paperwork.

Quote:

Secondly, I have indefinate contract, what are my chances to get B visa, can I get at least L and convert it to B a year later?
You could for instance have an indefinite contract and be on an expat arrangement, so there's no way to tell without seeing what paperwork your potential employer has done.

Quote:

Is there any place where I can see the status of quotas in Basel?
No.

canuckchick 19.12.2007 23:53

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B PERMITS

Is it really only 5 years wait for a C once you have a B (for Canadians)? Maybe I have some old information, but I thought only the USA was 5 and Canada was 10. I just got my B....so I have to start the counter. :) Thanks for the info Shorrick.

Shorrick Mk2 20.12.2007 08:51

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Now that you mention it that sounds about right. I'll crosscheck to make sure.

Terlikci 27.12.2007 12:29

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Thank you very much Shorrick. I will chase with my potential employer.

yogishraj 04.01.2008 15:36

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Hi,
I am new to this forum and I find this very useful. Thanks for lot of information on work permit posted in this thread.
I am currently living and working in Vaud with a L permit renewed second time. My latest L permit is valid untill end of July 2008.
I got a job in Zurich and my permit has to be changed to ZR canton. Since the L permit is bound to employer could you please let me know if I do the following, I can be positive to get the permit to the new canton.

1. A letter from the employer (soft copy) stating that my skills are no more required for the current client
2. My current L Permit copy
3. Employment details which will be given by my new employer

The permit is getting processed through lawyers. I need a confidence that things will go through fine.
Any opinion or feedbacks will be appreciable.
Thanks in advance

04.01.2008 18:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by yogishraj (Post 151224)
Hi,
I am new to this forum and I find this very useful. Thanks for lot of information on work permit posted in this thread.
I am currently living and working in Vaud with a L permit renewed second time. My latest L permit is valid untill end of July 2008.
I got a job in Zurich and my permit has to be changed to ZR canton. Since the L permit is bound to employer could you please let me know if I do the following, I can be positive to get the permit to the new canton.

1. A letter from the employer (soft copy) stating that my skills are no more required for the current client
2. My current L Permit copy
3. Employment details which will be given by my new employer

The permit is getting processed through lawyers. I need a confidence that things will go through fine.
Any opinion or feedbacks will be appreciable.
Thanks in advance

Unfortunately, no-one can give you the answer you want. There is a risk that the change will not be allowed. Gut feeling is you should be ok as you appear to be approaching it the right way but the risk is still there.

yogishraj 07.01.2008 14:26

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Thanks for the reply. After I produced the letter that the lawyers requested they confirmed me that the authorities have accepted the letter. They said they are going to submit my case this week. I am also confident. Still I am scared. If I understand right I should have the decision in 3 weeks.
My employer is giving all the employment related documents to them. The organisation I am joining is a big organisation world wide and I am joining to a higher lever which is Project Manager and slightly above that.
I hope things would work out good for me (finger crossed).
--Y

kalyan 11.01.2008 11:03

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Hey Shorrick awesome compilation. Thank you!

Am an indian moving to Zurich thru my company, an American MNC in the IT sector. My wife is also working in the IT sector for an indian MNC and shez already quite worked up about wht she is goin to do in zurich! :msnsad: my assignment is goin to b for 2 yrs...

I have a B Permit and she has a Residents' B permit. How tough or easy will it be for get her a Ci Permit? How much would i have to spend on it? After she gets a Ci permit how easy or tough will it be find a job for her? :confused:

Any help will infinitely improve our general happiness in the household! :cool:

Thnk you!

11.01.2008 12:36

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kalyan (Post 154387)
Hey Shorrick awesome compilation. Thank you!

Am an indian moving to Zurich thru my company, an American MNC in the IT sector. My wife is also working in the IT sector for an indian MNC and shez already quite worked up about wht she is goin to do in zurich! :msnsad: my assignment is goin to b for 2 yrs...

I have a B Permit and she has a Residents' B permit. How tough or easy will it be for get her a Ci Permit? How much would i have to spend on it? After she gets a Ci permit how easy or tough will it be find a job for her? :confused:

Any help will infinitely improve our general happiness in the household! :cool:

Thnk you!

I think, not 100% sure, that you are mistaking the term "International Organisation" to mean "International Company". The Ci permit is for spouses of people working for the UN or similar.

Your wife will need to find an employer willing to sponser her for a work permit and she will have to go through all the normal hoops to get it.

kalyan 11.01.2008 14:49

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Yeah. I mis understood how a Ci permit works. We dont fit into a Ci permit!

Can someone tell me what should we do to enable my wife to work? Can she look for a job with her dependent visa and then take it up once we get the work permit?

11.01.2008 14:56

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kalyan (Post 154666)
Yeah. I mis understood how a Ci permit works. We dont fit into a Ci permit!

Can someone tell me what should we do to enable my wife to work? Can she look for a job with her dependent visa and then take it up once we get the work permit?

Yes, she can certainly look for a job. If offered a job the employer must then make the case for the work permit. This is difficult, especially since the latest changes in the legislation. For example, the employer would have to show that there was no Swiss or EU person available to take the job.

Put simply, it is going to be very difficult for your wife to find a job.

justdoit 11.01.2008 23:39

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by swissbob (Post 154669)
Yes, she can certainly look for a job. If offered a job the employer must then make the case for the work permit. This is difficult, especially since the latest changes in the legislation. For example, the employer would have to show that there was no Swiss or EU person available to take the job.

Put simply, it is going to be very difficult for your wife to find a job.

According to the new legislation you dont need a work permit if you hold a family B permit. you can work without permission

This is the german text. Can someone please help with the translation

Personen, welche keine Bewilligung zur Ausübung einer Erwerbstätigkeit brauchen

http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/0.gifhttp://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif
Personen mit Aufenthaltsregelung im Familiennachzug:
Angehörige von Personen, welche eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung im Familiennachzug besitzen, brauchen keine Bewilligung zur Erwerbstätigkeit, wenn der Ehegatte oder die Eltern folgenden Aufenthaltstatus haben:
  • Schweizer Staatsbürger
  • Niederlassung C
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung B
- ausgenommen Zulassung aus persönlichem Härtefall
- ausgenommen Studienaufenthalter / Ausbildung
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung (EG/EFTA-Ausweis)

miniMia 12.01.2008 01:08

Re: Non-EU Permits - a few bullet points.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by justdoit (Post 154869)
According to the new legislation you dont need a work permit if you hold a family B permit. you can work without permission

This is the german text. Can someone please help with the translation

Personen, welche keine Bewilligung zur Ausübung einer Erwerbstätigkeit brauchen

http://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gifhttp://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/0.gifhttp://www.arbeitsbewilligung.zh.ch/images/spacer.gif
Personen mit Aufenthaltsregelung im Familiennachzug:
Angehörige von Personen, welche eine Aufenthaltsbewilligung im Familiennachzug besitzen, brauchen keine Bewilligung zur Erwerbstätigkeit, wenn der Ehegatte oder die Eltern folgenden Aufenthaltstatus haben:
  • Schweizer Staatsbürger
  • Niederlassung C
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung B
- ausgenommen Zulassung aus persönlichem Härtefall
- ausgenommen Studienaufenthalter / Ausbildung
  • Aufenthaltsbewilligung (EG/EFTA-Ausweis)

Do you have this in any other language? French or Italian for example? Where did this come from?


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