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Does anyone know if it's possible to get a Swiss ID card without being a citizen? It seems I cannot get one from my own country now (Britain) so I thought it might be possible to get one from Switzerland. It makes it much easier not carrying my passport round everywhere. Any info?
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Old 19.07.2010, 10:56
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Re: ID Cards

Even if they'd gone ahead with the ID cards in the UK, as an expat, you still weren't entitled to one. (Which makes the statement that you couldn't have a passport without and id card, because it would be too complex to seperate the systems and out-and-out lie ).

When I'm in CH, I carry my C-permit, or, at the very least, my driving license. I've not had problems so far. My children have school/student cards that do the trick. And for travel cards, you can get a grundkarte (?) - i.e. photo id that goes with your abo.
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Re: ID Cards

I don't think there is a requirement to carry your passport around with you anyway.
There used to be a law about always having some form of Identification on your person but I thought that was done away with.
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Re: ID Cards

If you want to carry ID in case of a random check, a photocopy of your passport should be acceptable.
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Old 19.07.2010, 11:07
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Re: ID Cards

I carry my B-Permit, It's the "pocket " size version of it- By that i mean is the credit card size type.

Never had to use it in CH, I did use it in the US.
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Re: ID Cards

In every instance, including with the the police, I've found my swiss driving license to be perfectly acceptable as a form of ID. I never carry my B permit as it doesn't fit in my wallet (I've still got one of the old paper ones)
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Old 19.07.2010, 11:26
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Re: ID Cards

In connection to that... I am just wondering if its possible to have the paper one changed to the plastic card. It would be much more convenient.
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Old 19.07.2010, 11:42
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In connection to that... I am just wondering if its possible to have the paper one changed to the plastic card. It would be much more convenient.
Presumably you are talking about Driver's licence?

As most things in CH, yes you can. You just have to pay.
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I carry my B-Permit, It's the "pocket " size version of it- By that i mean is the credit card size type.

Never had to use it in CH, I did use it in the US.

How do you get that? or is it noted on the driver license?
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Re: ID Cards

I was thinking along the lines of getting one for the purpose of travelling in the Schengen area. A driving licence isnt sufficient and I doubt the residency permit either. I lived in another EU country before Switzerland and I was able to get an ID card as a resident foreign national. Its about to run out and obviously I can't renew it with that country. Therfore going back to the original question, can you get a Swiss ID card without being a citizen?
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Therfore going back to the original question, can you get a Swiss ID card without being a citizen?

No. It's a document of citizenship, much like a passport.

I'm Irish, and we too are non Schengen Europeans. I find myself carrying my passport crossing boarders, but it's not that much of a deal.

Day-to-day in CH, I carry no ID. If it should be requested of me, I believe I have a certain timeframe in which to show up at a police station and present it.
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In connection to that... I am just wondering if its possible to have the paper one changed to the plastic card. It would be much more convenient.
Next renewal should become plastic, me thinks.
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I don't think there is a requirement to carry your passport around with you anyway.
There used to be a law about always having some form of Identification on your person but I thought that was done away with.
Dear OP: You don't need to carry your passport, but you do need to carry recognized ID. Can you apply for a Swiss driving license? Otherwise your CH-permit suffices for CH but is not credit card sized except for non-EU residents.

Dear Planthead: Pray share the factual basis/reference for your thoughts, that the law on some form of ID is "done away with".
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Day-to-day in CH, I carry no ID. If it should be requested of me, I believe I have a certain timeframe in which to show up at a police station and present it.

I actually think this is the correct rule but my google skills are letting me down.
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Old 19.07.2010, 14:17
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It is not against the law to not carry an identification and there is no law that states one must have a certain amount of money with him.

However, if a person is under suspicion of committing even a minor offense and can't pay or identify himself, the police has the right to take him to the police post for up to 3 hours to verify his identity.
Also this bit Wikipedia reference-linkAusweispflicht
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Re: ID Cards

You'll probably have to try with the German article...: Ausweispflicht
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Re: ID Cards


I think formal lack of Ausweispflicht is something which concerns citizens rather than foreigners. However, the law says:

Art. 72 Titel Vorweisung des Ausländerausweises
Ausländerinnen und Ausländer sind verpflichtet, den Ausländerausweis den Behörden auf Verlangen sofort vorzuweisen oder abzugeben. Ist dies nicht möglich, wird dafür eine angemessene Frist festgelegt.


approximate translation:
Foreigners are required to immediately show or provide their permit to the authorities upon request. If this is not possible, an appropriate deadline will be set.
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Old 19.07.2010, 17:08
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I carry my B-Permit, It's the "pocket " size version of it- By that i mean is the credit card size type.

Never had to use it in CH, I did use it in the US.
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Next renewal should become plastic, me thinks.
The credit card type permits are not available for EU citizens.
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Re: ID Cards

Found this thread whilst searching for an answer to a question that I'll ask in a moment; for now two things I've gathered from this and another thread:

1. There is no requirement to carry official ID on you at all times (as is the case in Germany and France for example) in Switzerland. If you get stopped, either you will be given a deadline to present youself with official ID at a police station or perhaps the nice officiers will drive you home to check your ID immediately.

2. Plastic credit card ID cards are just for non-EU citizens; if you are from the EU, then you get given the awkwardly shaped paper pass.

Now I think from tomorrow onwards I will leave my pass at home, as I'm sure it's not going to last five years being transported in my pocket.

My question:
- do children (under 16) get issued with ID cards / 'Aufenthaltsbewilligung Auslaenderausweis'? If not, do they have to 'register'/do anything when they hit 16 or 18?
- is there any official document that states that children have been registered with the authorities and are here legally?
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- do children (under 16) get issued with ID cards / 'Aufenthaltsbewilligung Auslaenderausweis'?
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- is there any official document that states that children have been registered with the authorities and are here legally?

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