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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

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The advantage is that Ci gives you the same rights as a regular C permit as long as your wife is a carte de legitimation holder.
Hi,
This is interesting. We are currently in the process of buying a house. Im an EU citizen with a D permit, but my wife is a non EU citzen with less than 10 years in the country, currently on a Ci permit. The house we want to buy has a separate apartment that we would like to rent out to help pay the mortgage. However, it seems that we won't be allowed to do so due to my wife's nationality. We can buy a primary residence, but not rent any of it out ( not even a part) until we decide to move.

However, if it is true that she would have the same rights as a c- permit holder we would be fine. Do you have any legal documents you can point me too? Been looking all over, but haven't found anything. Tomorrow i planned speaking to a lawyer but wouldnt mind saving the fee... Grateful for any advice.

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Hi everyone.


I see this topic is pretty old, so let's refresh it


I might get a job offer in Switzerland for one of the international companies there which will provide me 'Carte de Legitimation D' and 'Ci' for my spouse once she finds a job (as already discussed here). Both my wife and I have non-Swiss / non-EU / non-EFTA passports. Also, we have a 2y/o kid and we have plans for more kids in near future.


One of my biggest concerns is what will happened if my employer decides they don't need my services after some time? Currently, with my passport I can't even think of applying for jobs in Switzerland as it is very close to impossible to get any working visa. Is it any different if one has some Swiss experience and already lives there?


Obviously, I don't want for my kid(s) to start going to school there and then we need to relocate because I cannot work in CH anymore.


Thank you,
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One more thing - it's been mentioned that "Most certainly switches to B, never to C outright. Unless you've been around for 10 years."

That's all fine regarding spouse, but what happens with 'Carte de Legitimation D' holder? As far as I understand Swiss law, temporary visa holder (B) cannot grant his/her spouse working visa. Only so-called 'spouse' visa can be granted which is used for 'joining' families.

Has anything changed in the meantime?

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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

To answer your questions, no I don't think it makes any difference if you're here on a D/Ci permit and lose your job. You would then come under the non-EU hiring rules which means any new employer has to prove they can't find a Swiss/EU national who could do the job before they'd be allowed to hire you.

https://www.bfm.admin.ch/bfm/en/home...zulassung.html

However, there is this which may mean I'm wrong.

"The legitimation card issued by the DFAE does not give its holder any particular rights with respect to continued residence in Switzerland upon termination of his or her official functions. However, for many years the Swiss authorities have followed a practice facilitating the continued residence in Switzerland of international civil servants and their family members in this situation, allowing them to be granted a residence permit or a settlement permit (B or C permit) in certain cases."

http://home.web.cern.ch/cern-people/...ss-nationality

So whether you could be granted a new permit under particular conditions I don't know. You'd have to check with your HR department/cantonal migration office for further info.

Do also note that the Swiss recently voted to curb immigration from the EU so this may have a knock-on effect on the non-EU side of things. The Swiss are still working out how they're going to do this as the EU has refused to negotiate with Switzerland on the Free Movement Agreement. The non-EU quota limits were cut last year so that's one possibility, another is that where the authorities have been more accommodating regarding granting permits to carte de legitimation holders they may become more strict in future and refuse to grant new permits.

If your wife is already here there's no problem with the changing of the permit should you be able to change to a B which currently would allow her to work without needing prior authorisation from the Swiss authorities. That could change though, given the increased pressure to curb immigration. There is provision in the Foreign Nationals Act to require dependent B permit holders to seek permission to take up a job offer, but currently that provision is waived.
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Currently, with my passport I can't even think of applying for jobs in Switzerland as it is very close to impossible to get any working visa. Is it any different if one has some Swiss experience and already lives there?
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The hiring company must obtain the work and residence permit for you. I think what matters more is the size and the importance of the said company (your employer), and not your nationality or passport. Had colleagues from all over the world - Russia, Turkey, Serbia, etc
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The hiring company must obtain the work and residence permit for you. I think what matters more is the size and the importance of the said company (your employer), and not your nationality or passport. Had colleagues from all over the world - Russia, Turkey, Serbia, etc
For most of the cases this is absolutely correct. However, in some cases, small Swiss companies are also very effective in this process.


One important note: Many of the HR departments suck in Switzerland on work permit knowledge!
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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

It'll also depend on what skills/experience you have to offer. If you can fill a niche in the market or are very specialised then you stand a much better chance.
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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

Me and my wife have this "carte de legitimation D". Would this create a problem in renting a flat? Most application forms don't have a check box for this type of card; and when we mention it separately, we see that they have no clue about the card. In one instance, we really liked an apartment and communicated directly with the real estate agent. She told us to apply quickly and pick the one which we like more ( there were two similar flats). We applied and received a quick reply : "what's that card?". We explained it and voila! No reply back. Two days later someone else wrote us a long email: we're sorry bla bla bla the flat is assigned to someone else bla bla bla. Is this card creating a problem or we're getting a little paranoid?
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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

It may well be causing problems as it's not one of the well known ones. I can only suggest you provide a copy of your employment contract (first page presumably with company name, address, gross salary on it) with any application so they can see you're employed with a reputable NGO. Maybe also a letter from your HR department explaining what the permit is. Unfortunately Ci permits are the only ones most people know about.
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Re: Has anyone heard about "Carte de Legitimation D"?

Thank you for the insight Medea. Next time, we'll attach some extra info so that they can understand our legal status clearly.
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