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Old 02.08.2010, 16:43
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Total EU tourist visit duration?

I have a UK friend down here who is planing for his Argentine girlfriend to visit him in the UK for the full 60 day limit. Then the plan is that they travel to Switzerland (Schengen area) for 30 days. Step 3 is to go back to the UK for another 60 days...... You see where they are going with this? They seem to think they can do this over & over until they find another solution to the GF's visas issue (work sponsor/marriage).

Is this possible? My feeling is that it can't be correct. Down here in ARG people can't help. And I can't find anything specifically on this on the internet.

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Old 02.08.2010, 17:27
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Re: Total EU tourist visit duration?

This is what you want to read:
I got an Ausreisemeldung :( !!!!

Bottom line: If a Schengen country finds out that you are a de-facto resident, abusing multiple tourist visas after another, you might very well get thrown out. I do not know what consequences that has, but I would expect to not get Schengen visas so easily anymore...
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Old 02.08.2010, 19:56
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I have a UK friend down here who is planing for his Argentine girlfriend to visit him in the UK for the full 60 day limit.
The maximum duration of a visit to the UK is 6 months .
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Old 02.08.2010, 21:00
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The maximum duration of a visit to the UK is 6 months .
Yes. Thank you . I meant 6 months & 3 months where appropriate. I started writing the number of days then switched to months as I was getting confuzled! It seems I only changed the first number. I'm going to make the change that above.

ETA: Oh boo! It seems I can't edit the OP...
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Old 02.08.2010, 21:08
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Yes. Thank you . I meant 6 months & 3 months where appropriate. I started writing the number of days then switched to months as I was getting confuzled! It seems I only changed the first number. I'm going to make the change that above.
It's a maximum of 180 days within a year so the great scheme won't work .
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Old 02.08.2010, 21:10
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This is what you want to read:
I got an Ausreisemeldung :( !!!!

Bottom line: If a Schengen country finds out that you are a de-facto resident, abusing multiple tourist visas after another, you might very well get thrown out. I do not know what consequences that has, but I would expect to not get Schengen visas so easily anymore...
Thanks I'll read thread. But I haven't found any official statement of 'total tourist time in the EU". I imagine they will marry eventually but it's best they know what they are getting into.

Argentines don't need to apply for a visa for neither UK nor Schengen. It would sux if they did this then found when/if she married or got a job it hurt her having played this back & forth game. I'll keep looking around.
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Old 02.08.2010, 23:43
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Re: Total EU tourist visit duration?

Ok. I found out that if you spend the whole 6months in the UK then you must stay out of the UK for 6 months before you can go back in. But now, I'm still wondering if you can in fact spend 6mth in Uk then 3 months in Schengen. Being a total of 9mths before she would have to go home (or on to Russia or Morroco, etc... )
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But now, I'm still wondering if you can in fact spend 6mth in Uk then 3 months in Schengen. Being a total of 9mths before she would have to go home (or on to Russia or Morroco, etc... )
As the UK is not part of Schengen then this is ok.
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Old 03.08.2010, 06:46
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As the UK is not part of Schengen then this is ok.
Thanks. They are now planning 3 months in CH, 6 UK, 3 CH. Then they will see if they want to get married or if she gets a job. If she gets arrested or deported I'll let you know next year!
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Re: Total EU tourist visit duration?

The restrictions you can find on websites apply per 365 days. So e.g. in CH one can stay for a maximum of 180 days out of 365, and 90 days out of 180. I don't know 'bout the UK, but restrictions don't work like your friends assume. Some people think leaving CH for a day resets the counter. It doesn't.
On the other hand, I've never ever been stopped when getting off an airplane (I do keep my documents with me just in case), so I'd think there are people ignoring the limitations. But I wouldn't be the one found out and kicked out of a country like this. They have too nice slopes.
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Old 04.08.2010, 17:49
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The restrictions you can find on websites apply per 365 days. So e.g. in CH one can stay for a maximum of 180 days out of 365, and 90 days out of 180. I don't know 'bout the UK, but restrictions don't work like your friends assume. Some people think leaving CH for a day resets the counter. It doesn't.
I think you should read my post more clearly. No where did I say they planed on leaving for a day & coming back.

This is the plan:
3 month CH, 6 months UK, 3 months CH.

Can you explain where you see the problem with my friends plan? Since going back to her home country entails a long & expensive flight. They want to be prepared.
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I think you should read my post more clearly. No where did I say they planed on leaving for a day & coming back.

This is the plan:
3 month CH, 6 months UK, 3 months CH.

Can you explain where you see the problem with my friends plan? Since going back to her home country entails a long & expensive flight. They want to be prepared.
What about after the first 12 months? Would have to be UK-6/CH-3 then what?

Plus to enter UK on visit visa (or waiver) you have to be a 'genuine visitor' - if the IO suspects someone is attempting to settle or is effectively settling with a partner and is not a genuine visitor - and they have noses for this, she'll get bounced and have to formally apply for visas to visit. My mates US wife is stopped every time for questioning cos they visit here so often, and for nowhere near the 6 months in every twelve outlined in the UKBA IDI's..
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Old 04.08.2010, 23:59
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What about after the first 12 months? Would have to be UK-6/CH-3 then what?
I don't know. After the first 3/6/3 they can't go back to the UK. You have to be out of the UK for 6 months before going back.

I'm guessing after the first year of this, if they get through it, they will figure out if they want to get married or if she gets a job that sponsors her, etc. Or maybe she'll find she hates him & wants to go home.

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Plus to enter UK on visit visa (or waiver) you have to be a 'genuine visitor' - if the IO suspects someone is attempting to settle or is effectively settling with a partner and is not a genuine visitor - and they have noses for this, she'll get bounced and have to formally apply for visas to visit. My mates US wife is stopped every time for questioning cos they visit here so often, and for nowhere near the 6 months in every twelve outlined in the UKBA IDI's..
They'll have to cross that bridge when/if that happens. Anyway, I get why the want to do it. Personally, I just don't think it's a good idea. But, hey, if only people would do as I tell them the world would be a better place.
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Re: Total EU tourist visit duration?

It's a numbers game, too, because it's based on days and 180 is not exactly 1/4 of a year...

And as others have pointed out, she cannot support herself, and the visa authorities know where she will be living in the UK...and if she doesn't have her own finances to support herself as a 'genuine tourist' then they won't let her stay...

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It's a numbers game, too, because it's based on days and 180 is not exactly 1/4 of a year...

And as others have pointed out, she cannot support herself, and the visa authorities know where she will be living in the UK...and if she doesn't have her own finances to support herself as a 'genuine tourist' then they won't let her stay...
Do you think that once they allow her in the country there is actually a chance that someone will come pick her up from her boyfriend's house & send her back home even if she is within her time limit? Say, if she is not working nor committing a crime and just hanging out with the boyfriend?

Personally, I doubt anyone will take the time to find her, arrest her & send her home.

Anyway, thanks for your reply. They are aware of all the "risks" of being a "tourist" for too long. The moral/risk aspects are up to them to weigh.

I was looking for the legal aspects as I'm actually surprised at how long you can stay in the EU as a tourist. I assumed it would be some how be a combined #of days through out the EU regardless of Schengen. But that does not seem to be the case. Not that I have found anyway.
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What about after the first 12 months? Would have to be UK-6/CH-3 then what?
Yes, this is what I meant. From this point of view it doesn't matter if they leave for 1 day or 60, she can only stay in CH 180 days a year. I don't know if the plan's fine by the UK, but as she has to leave CH for at least 30 days after each period of 90 days, the whole plan only means they can spend more time together but not more time in CH. BTW how would it work for your friend? I hope he has a job that leaves him with enough time (and cash) to be traveling around like this. Actually, if she has the means to spend so much time in the UK (I don't know the related rules), it should work out but I can't see how this should simplify things. Can't your friend get her a permission to stay on the basis that he'd support her financially? I don't know if this helps but if they're planning to get married and that day comes closer things might get easier. I applied for permission to stay longer than my 180 days/year on the basis of our forthcoming wedding. I did have a piece of paper from the Town Hall about our registration, and I got 'approved' within 2 weeks.
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Do you think that once they allow her in the country there is actually a chance that someone will come pick her up from her boyfriend's house & send her back home even if she is within her time limit? Say, if she is not working nor committing a crime and just hanging out with the boyfriend?

Personally, I doubt anyone will take the time to find her, arrest her & send her home.
Definitely not to encourage such plans, but I also doubt that. I've heard of friends who entered CH without a permission and nothing really happened. Problems start when you register or apply for a permit and get rejected (because they have all your info, etc.). But I've never got stopped at the airport or the like, and I doubt it's because I'm on some list of pending cases which they check every time they see my name. As I've always said, it's totally possible for desperate Checks or lovebound Americans to enter the country or stay longer than permitted. They don't all get caught. But I don't think it's worth the risk. I have a friend who got deported and it's not nice. Not to mention that you cannot enter for years and have to say goodbye to all the slopes and hopes for that time.
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Yes, this is what I meant. From this point of view it doesn't matter if they leave for 1 day or 60, she can only stay in CH 180 days a year. I don't know if the plan's fine by the UK, but as she has to leave CH for at least 30 days after each period of 90 days, the whole plan only means they can spend more time together but not more time in CH.
yes. their point is exactly that, to be together longer & then see what they will do. My bet is they will just get married. But... who am I to say! LOL.


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BTW how would it work for your friend? I hope he has a job that leaves him with enough time (and cash) to be traveling around like this. Actually, if she has the means to spend so much time in the UK (I don't know the related rules), it should work out but I can't see how this should simplify things. Can't your friend get her a permission to stay on the basis that he'd support her financially? I don't know if this helps but if they're planning to get married and that day comes closer things might get easier. I applied for permission to stay longer than my 180 days/year on the basis of our forthcoming wedding. I did have a piece of paper from the Town Hall about our registration, and I got 'approved' within 2 weeks.

They both work online. So can technically work anywhere. He works in computers (?) and she's a translator. You'd be surprised at the number of aimless American & European vagabonds down here in South America working online to finance a life of, well, not much of anything.


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This is exactly why they want to stay within the allowed stay limits.

Anyway, thanks for all your help! It seems to me that legal they can stay
3months (ok 90days!) Schengen / 6 months UK / 3 months Schengen. After that Morrocco or Mexico? ;D
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yes. their point is exactly that, to be together longer & then see what they will do. My bet is they will just get married. But... who am I to say! LOL.





They both work online. So can technically work anywhere. He works in computers (?) and she's a translator. You'd be surprised at the number of aimless American & European vagabonds down here in South America working online to finance a life of, well, not much of anything.



This is exactly why they want to stay within the allowed stay limits.

Anyway, thanks for all your help! It seems to me that legal they can stay
3months (ok 90days!) Schengen / 6 months UK / 3 months Schengen. After that Morrocco or Mexico? ;D
Remeber tho she won;t be legally allowed to work, suppose the chances or being caught are slim but I reckon if the UK IO's catch her with what appears to be working-related paraphernalia on her she'll get bounced. I heard of one chap getting kicked out and banned for a few hours work at a sports club, and even mothers on a visit 'looking after the baby' have got bans.
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They both work online. So can technically work anywhere.
Of course they can't. Practically maybe, but technically and legally not.
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