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Old 19.11.2015, 10:03
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

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I recently submitted the application packet. About 10 days later I received an acknowledgement letter from SEM saying they have received my application. The letter basically says they are drowning in applications and it could take 1.5 years or longer depending on canton and municipality workloads. It also clearly says something along the lines of "don't call us, we'll call you" for updates, and asks me to submit any requests or additional information in writing.

I'd guess the workload is extra high right now with folks trying to get in the queue before the laws change in 2016.
... let's hope it doesn't take quite that long!
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

Hello everyone well I donít know if someone on this forum remembered my message last year well it all started like this, my wife was applying for Facilitated Naturalization because her mother is Swiss already and at the process of her application she added me as his partner or husband with two of our kinds as well, after the summation of my documents.
Three weeks passed I received a bill with the name of my wife on it that I should pay 920.chf and the money was paid the next day and three month passed my wife receive a call that she should come to OCP canton Geneva for the interview and she should come with me her husband.
When we got there the man we melt ask me to go out and he took us one after the other which is not normal for me at the end of the interview he told me and my wife that we did very well but the problem is that I the husband did not answer some of his question that he will not send the documents to Bern anymore and I ask why he said Bern will not accept because I did not answer some questions, before we go out of his office he told my wife that I will need to come back for the test again this is the part I did not understand.
I really need some advice on this situation the man I said I should wait for three month to receive a letter which will show the date of the test I which I did not believe that I will receive a letter on my name, at this point what will happen
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Old 24.11.2015, 23:18
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he said Bern will not accept because I did not answer some questions.
Didn't you? And why?
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Old 24.11.2015, 23:35
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

What sort of questions were they? Personal questions about you and maybe your level of integration (do you know other Swiss people, join in Swiss activities etc) or were they questions testing your knowledge of Switzerland, the government system and local knowledge generally.

The citizenship application of a Professor in Einsiedeln, who had lived here for nearly forty years and spoke good German, was turned down because he wasn't involved in local organisations, couldn't name any local Swiss friends and couldn't remember offhand the names of all the villages around Einsiedeln.
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Old 24.11.2015, 23:41
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What sort of questions were they? Personal questions about you and maybe your level of integration (do you know other Swiss people, join in Swiss activities etc) or were they questions testing your knowledge of Switzerland, the government system and local knowledge generally.

The citizenship application of a Professor in Einsiedeln, who had lived here for nearly forty years and spoke good German, was turned down because he wasn't involved in local organisations, couldn't name any local Swiss friends and couldn't remember offhand the names of all the villages around Einsiedeln.
Yes, but the poster is talking about FACILITATED naturalisation, a different kettle of fish.

Sound more like relationship questions, rather than general Swiss knowledge.

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Old 24.11.2015, 23:54
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

Sorry, yes. Half asleep I guess. Knowledge of Switzerland is not part of the process. As you say, more likely relationship queries. It might not be enough to fulfill dates and length of marriage alone. Not replying to questions, for whatever reason, may make the officials suspicious that all is not as it should be.
Hope it can be sorted out though.
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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

he ask me about 16 question i answered i answered 9..
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Old 25.11.2015, 14:30
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he ask me about 16 question i answered i answered 9..
Why did you only answer 9?

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it is Facilitated Naturalization the man has no right to ask me any question..but he did he ask me the president of swiss i answered that he ask me how many people are in grand consiler i told him he ask me how many lake is in swiss i told him he also ask me i should name 4 mountain in swiss i told him with also the 4 people that liberated geneva from France in 1906 that i should give him there names, some many question he ask

because i dont no the answer to what he ask ...and know swiss person no the answer of the question he was asking me..he ask me what is the reason why other canton are Republican which i know you too cant answer

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it is Facilitated Naturalization the man has no right to ask me any question..
The have the right to ask you anything they want.

I can't recall what I was asked, just general BS, but the cop was my neighbor anyway.

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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

really so that means if yours is yours neighbor..that means there is something like favorable friends ok i see
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Old 25.11.2015, 14:51
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it is Facilitated Naturalization the man has no right to ask me any question..
For your wife.... but not for you.

As far as I understand it, you have no right to facilitated naturalisation UNLESS your spouse was Swiss before you got married. I also don't think facilitated naturalisation is as easy to obtain through descent as it is through marriage. I know people outside of Switzerland applying through descent are asked their knowledge of Switzerland and have their language assessed. The only people who seem to get let off are Spouses of Swiss citizens who are living in Switzerland.
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he ask me what is the reason why other canton are Republican which i know you too cant answer
Actually, Ticino is a republic just in case they want to leave the Confederation (or it were to break up), in order to preserve it's sovergnity.

I imagine that this is the case of the other Canton/Republics.

OOOh, it is:

"On creation, the canton adopted the title Republic and Canton of the Jura. Other cantons in Switzerland using the title "Republic and Canton" are Ticino, Canton Geneva, and Canton Neuch‚tel. In each case, the title refers to the autonomy of the canton and its nominal sovereignty within the Swiss Confederation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canton_of_Jura

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For your wife.... but not for you.

As far as I understand it, you have no right to facilitated naturalisation UNLESS your spouse was Swiss before you got married. I also don't think facilitated naturalisation is as easy to obtain through descent as it is through marriage. I know people outside of Switzerland applying through descent are asked their knowledge of Switzerland and have their language assessed. The only people who seem to get let off are Spouses of Swiss citizens who are living in Switzerland.
Yes, it is only through your spouse if they were Swiss before the marriage.

The kids will get the facillitated in either case.

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really so that means if yours is yours neighbor..that means there is something like favorable friends ok i see
He wasn't my friend, just a neighbor that a rarely spoke to.

But, being my neighbor (and a cop) he knew everything he needed to know already.

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Re: Facilitated Naturalisation - Documents and process

I can see I still have a lot to learn on both counts. Firstly facts of the Facilitated Naturalisation Law and secondly all that information about Switzerland. I would fail miserably I guess. I forget everything I ever knew when I am under pressure.
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my wife mother is swiss already for long time..i did not apply for nationality it was my wife not me she included me on the application after some months,well at this point i dont know if the document will be sent to bern or know what do you think

give me the answer to that question why other canton are republican...u cant give me is very difficult..the man asking the questions was busy looking for the answer online.i have another one which i am sure in this trade no one can also answer it

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give me the answer to that question why other canton are republican...u cant give me is very difficult..
I already did (post #34).

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that is not the answer
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Old 25.11.2015, 18:00
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my wife mother is swiss already for long time..i did not apply for nationality it was my wife not me she included me on the application after some months,well at this point i dont know if the document will be sent to bern or know what do you think
I don't think your application will be sent to Bern. You didn't answer the questions, you don't want to answer the questions, and if your attitude with the municipal officer was as snarky as it is here...well there you go.

Also I think Island Monkey has a point about your wife needing to be Swiss before you could apply. It sounds like she's applying for facilitated because her mother is Swiss? Did her mother obtain citizenship through birth or also facilitated some other way?

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For your wife.... but not for you.

As far as I understand it, you have no right to facilitated naturalisation UNLESS your spouse was Swiss before you got married...
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A lot of Swiss people wouldn't be able to answer the questions, this has been proven time and again.
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Old 25.11.2015, 18:36
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A lot of Swiss people wouldn't be able to answer the questions, this has been proven time and again.
That may be true, and it was recently demonstrated by the candidates for Miss Switzerland. Their lack of basic knowledge about the country they wanted to represent was rather sad.

Each time the laws are revised they are designed to make it more challenging to obtain naturalization. That goes for facilitated as well as regular naturalization. Us vs them mentality and all that, I suppose. I don't see it changing any time soon.
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