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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

the thing about Non EU getting a C Permit after 5 years is a lie.
I called Migrationsamt back in July this year and asked them the same question. They said it is impossible for any NON EU to apply for C permit before their 10th year in Switzerland!
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the thing about Non EU getting a C Permit after 5 years is a lie.
I called Migrationsamt back in July this year and asked them the same question. They said it is impossible for any NON EU to apply for C permit before their 10th year in Switzerland!
Many US and Canadian citizens with C permits after 5 years would disagree with you.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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the thing about Non EU getting a C Permit after 5 years is a lie.
I called Migrationsamt back in July this year and asked them the same question. They said it is impossible for any NON EU to apply for C permit before their 10th year in Switzerland!
It is a right for US, Canadians and non-EU who have strong ties and well integrated, guess the the guy in the Migrationsamt was having a bad day when you called, better have a word with him.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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the thing about Non EU getting a C Permit after 5 years is a lie.
I called Migrationsamt back in July this year and asked them the same question. They said it is impossible for any NON EU to apply for C permit before their 10th year in Switzerland!
I disagree with you. I got my C permit after 5 years.

The magic word is VINTA. search this word and you will get your answer.

Instead of calling Migrationsamt, get in touch with your local Gemeinde and ask for your C permit application through VINTA

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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

wait wait wait!!

Okay.. by non EU.. I meant the 3rd world as all westners call them!
Non US, Non canadian etc. Non EURopean..

There is a special law excluding US and Canadian citizens from this 10 year rule.. but dont think that every non EU citizen can get a C permit after 5 years! That is a misleading info.
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wait wait wait!!

Okay.. by non EU.. I meant the 3rd world as all westners call them!
Non US, Non canadian etc. Non EURopean..

There is a special law excluding US and Canadian citizens from this 10 year rule.. but dont think that every non EU citizen can get a C permit after 5 years! That is a misleading info.
I am non EU, non US and non Canada.

In order to obtain C permit through VINTA you need to be on B permit for 5 years. the years lived on L permit do not count towards C permit through VINTA process.

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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

well im completing my 5th year on NON EU, NON US B permit next July.
Thats why Im curious whether I can apply for C permit or not. I actually just read thru VINTA. Its a special law that enables every 5 yr B permit holder to apply for EARLY integration.

Well.. looks like it is not a lie at all )
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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Soem confusion here, mainly because we have people from EU, non-EU and Swiss spouses all mixed up . So here is a brief overview:

For a C permit the following are required


non-EU not married to a Swiss citizen:
  • 5 years uninterupted stay
  • Criminal records - blank of course
  • Evidense of no social help received. If you changed residence you need to get this from each gemeinde
  • No outstanding debts / atxes
  • German, French, or Italian language certificate for you and your wife. Minimum level A2. For children you need a certificate from the school
  • Any other document which supports that you are integrated. Membership of local Swiss organization, sports club..
  • Employment contract and confirmation of employment or of financial independence
Non-EU married to a Swiss citizen
  • Stay married for 5 years
EU Citizen
  • Stay alive for 5 years

as this post is a couple of years old, can anyone who has any recent experience advise if the same requirements still apply?

p.s. to clarify, does social help include payments from the RAV?
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

and depending where you are from in the EU depends if its 5 years or 10 years!

"New" EU countries are 10 years from having a B permit, new law came out last last year/this year.

early applications are considered, supporting paperwork needs to be german language level of at least A2 (a masters degree from basel universtity surprised them though)
last 3 monthly pay slips
criminal extract
work contract
debt and rav extract.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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Soem confusion here, mainly because we have people from EU, non-EU and Swiss spouses all mixed up . So here is a brief overview:

For a C permit the following are required


non-EU not married to a Swiss citizen:
  • 5 years uninterupted stay
  • Criminal records - blank of course
  • Evidense of no social help received. If you changed residence you need to get this from each gemeinde
  • No outstanding debts / atxes
  • German, French, or Italian language certificate for you and your wife. Minimum level A2. For children you need a certificate from the school
  • Any other document which supports that you are integrated. Membership of local Swiss organization, sports club..
  • Employment contract and confirmation of employment or of financial independence
Non-EU married to a Swiss citizen
  • Stay married for 5 years
EU Citizen
  • Stay alive for 5 years
Then what about non-EU married to EU citizens (which is actually my case)? Currently me and my spouse both hold EU-B permit. When my spouse upgrades to C in a couple of years, what permit will I get? I guess it will be another EU-B, right? Because it seems I will have to wait 10 years before C, and permit C is per person rather than per family. Is this correct?
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

In Baselland, got C permit this year when 5 yr B ran out (EU citizen), just had to show a letter to say I was emplyed, no german test required, hubby also had letter from employer. I called the AMT first and they said do not send back until two weeks before expiry, this we did and got permits back just as the old one expired. However just heard today from a colleague who is also EU but in Basellstadt and they have to show proof of german, no criminal record and work contract and apply three months before expiry of old one.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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as this post is a couple of years old, can anyone who has any recent experience advise if the same requirements still apply?

p.s. to clarify, does social help include payments from the RAV?
I'm an American and just received my C. The non-EU/ non-married to Swiss requirements still applied. I had to submit an A2 German certificate, and get documents stating that I had no outstanding debts, and that I haven't used social welfare. They made me apply after my eighth year in Switzerland, but I'm fairly certain I could have applied after five years.
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I am non EU, non US and non Canada.

In order to obtain C permit through VINTA you need to be on B permit for 5 years. the years lived on L permit do not count towards C permit through VINTA process.

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And the language test is mandatory?
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Then what about non-EU married to EU citizens (which is actually my case)? Currently me and my spouse both hold EU-B permit. When my spouse upgrades to C in a couple of years, what permit will I get? I guess it will be another EU-B, right? Because it seems I will have to wait 10 years before C, and permit C is per person rather than per family. Is this correct?
You may get the same as your spouse. I have an EU-C because my husband has one. (I'm not an EU citizen).
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However just heard today from a colleague who is also EU but in Basellstadt and they have to show proof of german, no criminal record and work contract and apply three months before expiry of old one.
Our permits went from B to C after we'd been on Bs for five years back in 2005, when we were still officially BS resident. From our perspective this was totally automatic - we just got a notification to go the the migrationsampt and pick up (and pay for) the new permits. No proof of anything required, although I guess the employer may have already provided some details.

Not sure if the German requirement is more recent than that, but the Criminal Records thing is frankly bizarre and I'm somewhat dubious as to how it would work, as any checks are normally only provided by your country of residence, e.g. when we need CRB checks for our UK ski instructor licences, this can only be done by the Swiss authorities, not the UK ones.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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Hi Edot. Can you specify more in your case. Did your husband have a EU-C permit a long time ago, or do you get the EU-C permit at the same time with your husband? Because what I heard is that, a C permit holder can "benefit" their family only after they themselves have been holding the C permit for 5 years.

With regard to this issue, I found two legal sources.

First, in the foreign act, Act. 43 says: A family member of a C permit holder will be granted a B permit, and after this family member has been legally living in Switzerland for 5 years, he/she is entitled to a C permit. Here, it might be natural to assume that the 5-year counter will start only after the C permit holder himself/herself get C permit. For example, a mixed EU/non-EU couple, when the EU partner get upgraded to C after 5 years, the non-EU partner will start the 5-year counter. He/she also continues his/her own 10-year counter and will be granted C whichever counter comes first. This is my understanding.

The foreign act is a guideline regardless of nationality. On the other hand, in the bilateral agreement between Switzerland and EU, in the family reunification section it says: Upon family reunification, the family member (regardless of nationality) of a EU citizen will be granted a residence permit with the same validity as the EU citizen himself/herself. This seems to give some advantage to the family of EU-C over non-EU-C. But I'm not sure, because it talks about the "validity" instead of type of permit (I only read the translated English version). Literally validity can mean the duration, in which case EU-C and EU-B have the same validity (5 years), so issuing a EU-B instead of EU-C to a EU-national C permit holder's family member might not violate this act.
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Re: Procedure to obtain C permit

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My understanding is "C" is evaluated individually. The marriage only guaranties your stay (and thus your B time) as long as your half is here.
I have seen several cases that non-EU married to CH or C-holders received B at the beginning rather than a C.
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Hi Edot. Can you specify more in your case. Did your husband have a EU-C permit a long time ago, or do you get the EU-C permit at the same time with your husband? Because what I heard is that, a C permit holder can "benefit" their family only after they themselves have been holding the C permit for 5 years.
That's certainly not the case at its simplest. My wife had only been here for four years, but we both got the C after my 5th year. And as I've said, we didn't make any application, so it wasn't any sort of special case.

What these threads seem to show is that there's quite a lot of variation, based on individual circumstances, but also on Kanton and Gemeinde, and across time, particularly wrt the EU B permit, which didn't exist when we got our Cs. It's clear from the various experiences related that even if the rules are fixed, the application of those rules is far from universal.
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My understanding is "C" is evaluated individually. The marriage only guaranties your stay (and thus your B time) as long as your half is here.
I have seen several cases that non-EU married to CH or C-holders received B at the beginning rather than a C.
Yes, non-EU national married to CH national or married to non-EU national C-holders will receive an annual B; non-EU national married to EU/EFTA national B holders will receive an EU/EFTA-B directly from the beginning. These are already known. The question is, what happens for non-EU national married to EU/EFTA national C holders, or non-EU married to EU/EFTA B holders and then this EU/EFTA citizen gets upgraded to C... how they interpret and apply the EU-CH bilateral agreement here.
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the thing about Non EU getting a C Permit after 5 years is a lie.
I called Migrationsamt back in July this year and asked them the same question. They said it is impossible for any NON EU to apply for C permit before their 10th year in Switzerland!

That's definitely not true. I just got mine after 8. I'm an American with no EU passport, and I'm not married either.
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