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I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Dear All,
I am an American living in Switzerland for 3.5 years. I have a B Permit. I just quit my job. My B Permit expires in November. I wanted to stay in Switzerland and seek a new job.

Once my permit expires, will it be renewed ? If not, will I be asked to leave the country?

Many thanks for your advice.
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Is it a conditional B Permit?
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

How do I know if it is conditional? It does not say on my "Livret pour etrangers B" permit itself. I was hired as a "local" Swiss employee without an end date on my company contract. My B permit is renewed on a yearly basis by my company.
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

My understanding is that as long as you are on dole, you will be able to stay in Switzerland. You seem to have worked for long enough to claim your unemployement benefits, so in principle you will be OK.

This thread is a good source of information:
RAV registration and benefit payable.

Note that if you quit, you might be penalized....

This site is also a good source of information and how to get started:
http://www.treffpunkt-arbeit.ch/arbe...rste_schritte/

Again, my strong recomendation is that you go to the RAV (Regional Employement Agency] to have things sorted out.

Good luck,

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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

I am not 100% sure on this but have heard it on several occasions. A B permit solely allows you to live and work in Switzerland for a given period of time. Before you are eligible for unemployment benefit and other benefits that Swiss have, you must be a holder of a C permit, which basically allows you to live the life of a swiss person, only without the passport.

A B permit is normally only awarded when you have a job contract, i hope i am wrong but by the looks of things, you may need to get another job asap otherwise you will not be given an extension to the permit.

Hope it works out for you.
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I am not 100% sure on this but have heard it on several occasions. A B permit solely allows you to live and work in Switzerland for a given period of time. Before you are eligible for unemployment benefit and other benefits that Swiss have, you must be a holder of a C permit, which basically allows you to live the life of a swiss person, only without the passport.

A B permit is normally only awarded when you have a job contract, i hope i am wrong but by the looks of things, you may need to get another job asap otherwise you will not be given an extension to the permit.

Hope it works out for you.
Good then I am 100% sure that you are talking poppycock, i.e. you must not have a C permit or be Swiss to receive unemployment benefit. An L permit holder has no right to unemployment benefit and SOME B permit holders to are not covered but by far the majority do have a right... Note an EU L permit may have been used as a replacement for a B permit in which case there may be a possibility to receive unemployment benefit.

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Dear All,
I am an American living in Switzerland for 3.5 years. I have a B Permit. I just quit my job. My B Permit expires in November. I wanted to stay in Switzerland and seek a new job.

Once my permit expires, will it be renewed ? If not, will I be asked to leave the country?

Many thanks for your advice.
Vanessa
I am not sure that I have not written this before ie I think I have. If you are a non-EU citizen then you have no right to a permit renewal if **you** quit. The point here being that Switzerland is not a charity and while it recognizes that certain people will find themselves the victims of economic forces, it does not look kindly on people leaving employment to actually seek another job and claim benefit while waiting. With EU citizens it cannot do anything about it but with non-EU citizens it certainly can and does.

Add to this that the right to your services is actually held by the company that first employed you and they can refuse to accept a permit renewal and you see the stick you are in.

If you have not yet handed in your notice don't do it.

If you have done it then you need to prepare for the worst and look quickly for a new job AND contact the local unemployment bureau. The fact that you were here for 3.5 years and have not commited a string of crimes works in your favour, but it is not a guarantee... Quickly write down a list of the reasons that "forced" you to resign. This can also work in your favour.

Finally good luck...
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Good then I am 100% sure that you are talking poppycock. An L permit holder has no right to unemployment benefit and SOME B permit holders but by far the majority do have a right...
I am glad you cleared that up for me, its good news to the people (including myself) who hold a b permit.

1 more thing for you to clear up though, where did you get that word poppycock, i like it. Are there any other situations where it can be used and what expression should be upon my face during usage. , or
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Sorry, the above post was from me, just didnt change the log in when i used the works computer.
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Poppycock is a British term. Maggie Thatcher used it all the time.
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Poppycock come from the Dutch Pappekak, meaning 'soft s**t'.
Nice, eh?
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Poppycock come from the Dutch Pappekak, meaning 'soft s**t'.
Nice, eh?
Thank you, I did not know that. I also like the other related words balderdash and hogwash.
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

Hi Richard,

A follow-up to your useful response, thank you.

If a B permit holder quits his/her job, is there a fixed length of time they are allowed to remain in Switzerland? If they successfully find another job is it a matter of renewing the original B permit, or must they apply from the start with the sponsorship of their new company?

Thanks
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Re: I just quit and my B Permit expires. Do I get kicked out?

If a B permit quits his job or is fired and finds himself unemployed when the expiration date arrives, he is requested to leave the country.

You can get unemployent benefits as long as your permit is valid.
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If a B permit quits his job or is fired and finds himself unemployed when the expiration date arrives, he is requested to leave the country.

You can get unemployent benefits as long as your permit is valid.
Sorry, but you can actually renew while claiming benefits.
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If a B permit quits his job or is fired and finds himself unemployed when the expiration date arrives, he is requested to leave the country.

You can get unemployent benefits as long as your permit is valid.
I will go further than Shorrick on this one. You are quite wrong here in one part of your post. If you are unemployed and your permit expires the RAV as your employer is responsible to renew the permit until the time when your right to unemployment benefit ends. If however you quit or are fired (not made redundant) there might be no right to unemployment benefit so you might well be kicked out...
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Hi Richard,

A follow-up to your useful response, thank you.

If a B permit holder quits his/her job, is there a fixed length of time they are allowed to remain in Switzerland? If they successfully find another job is it a matter of renewing the original B permit, or must they apply from the start with the sponsorship of their new company?

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It all depends on the circumstances and I do not want to provide you incorrect information based upon which you end up being thrown out of the country. The information you are providing is not sufficient to give you the correct advice. For example -
  • what type of B permit is it?
  • Why are they quitting the job?
  • What is their status when they find another job?
  • How long have they been here?
  • What qualifications brought them to Switzerland in the first place.
These are all relevant points that contribute in some way to the final decision on how to handle the individual cases in question
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An L permit holder has no right to unemployment benefit and SOME B permit holders but by far the majority do have a right...
I have to dispute this, unless they have changed the rules in the last 4 years, which I don't believe.

I am an EU citizen and was on an L Permit and lost my job. I received Arbeitslossenkasse for the 6 months I was out of work until mid 2004. The criteria then was that I had been here working more than a year. At the time I had 19 months under my belt.

A lazy non EU colleague with a B Permit used it to it's full advantage!
They also quit their job, but a regular job, not renewable fixed term contracts, and received Arbeitslossenkasse for the full 600 days.

I agree that there are criteria regarding length of time you have paid your contributions, and for how long you may ultimately receive benefits, but I don't believe there is any restriction based on Swiss, EU or non EU.
http://www.rav.zh.ch/internet/vd/awa/rav/de/home.html

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Sorry, but you can actually renew while claiming benefits.
Agree with Shorrick and Richard on this, I did that too, whilst on an L and receiving Arbeitslossenkasse.
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A lazy non EU colleague with a B Permit used it to it's full advantage!
They also quit their job, but a regular job, not renewable fixed term contracts, and received Arbeitslossenkasse for the full 600 days.
On the other side of the coin, an Australian colleague with a temporary B permit (i.e. tied to his job) had to leave when his contract wasn't renewed at the end of 2003. What he actually did was to surrender his permit when it expired and stay on as a tourist for the next 3 months (if I remember correctly he took a short break in the UK, so he could show that he had left the country at the expiry date).

Bearing in mind that the original poster stated that she is American, the main question is what type of B permit does she hold?
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I have to dispute this, unless they have changed the rules in the last 4 years, which I don't believe.

I am an EU citizen and was on an L Permit and lost my job. I received Arbeitslossenkasse for the 6 months I was out of work until mid 2004. The criteria then was that I had been here working more than a year. At the time I had 19 months under my belt.

A lazy non EU colleague with a B Permit used it to it's full advantage!
They also quit their job, but a regular job, not renewable fixed term contracts, and received Arbeitslossenkasse for the full 600 days.

I agree that there are criteria regarding length of time you have paid your contributions, and for how long you may ultimately receive benefits, but I don't believe there is any restriction based on Swiss, EU or non EU.
http://www.rav.zh.ch/internet/vd/awa/rav/de/home.html
Hello, I think one of the things that needs to be understood before determining who has what rights to benefit is to look at the basic criteria that are required to be fulfilled. One of those criteria is that the person is integrated in the Swiss employment market. Now this occurs defacto to all Swiss citizens and now to all EU that have worked in Switzerland but not to all non-EU. In your time of claim you would have needed to meet this qualification too. Why did you receive money with an L permit? Quite easy to explain. You received an L permit that was really a B Permit workaround because they did not have any B permits left. An L Permit had officially before June 1st a maximum validity length of 18 months ie 3 x 6 months. As an L permit holder you are "generally" not entitled to any unemployment benefit although you are required to contribute which is of course unfair but worse still are those that have a B permit for up to 6 years and contribute during this time but are still not entitled to benefit...

The link you have provided is very pretty but this only talks about what the RAV does the actual rules are in the ALVG which is written in Swiss Law SR 837.0 you can check out what you need to do to qualify for benefit there.

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