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Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Hi everybody,

I have lived in Switzerland soon for a year now and I got my B permit 30.11.2009 and it's valid until 29.11.2011. It's not a complete B permit, it's one of those where I have the right to be here and look for a job but it still says "ohne Erwerbstätigkeit". I'm originally from Sweden so my origin is not a problem to find a job but once I do I have to inform the kreisbüro and then I would get a new visa.
After I got my permit I was freelancing and in June this year I got a 50% position job within a company. The contract was saying that it was only for 3 months. The thing was that the company said that they would try to see if it worked, as I don't speak good German. They were hoping that I would speak better and better and after the 3 months we would sign a more permanent contract. But it turned out that it didn't work out so I have to leave by the end of this month. Now to my question. I've heard that you can get social financial support from the Swiss government when you have a B permit but lost your job. Supposedly you can get some money out while you are searching for a new job. Would anyone happen to know anything about this? If so, where/who can I go to or contact for this matter? I know that there all kinds of büros and different departments for different matters.

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Old 20.09.2010, 19:26
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

You can only get social support once you have paid into the insurance system for a minimum period - 12 months iirc.
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Old 20.09.2010, 19:55
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Hi,

I don't like to contradict, but I get social support and I lost my job after I'd been here 6 months... I have a 5 year B Permit that my aim in being here is to work.

I'm in a slightly different situation though - I am on a 100% medical certificate and get low income support (as a matter of fact it's my only income).

I have been told that when my medical certificate goes down I will need to contact the unemployment people and then I will get unemployment benefit while I look for work.

I'd suggest maybe going to your nearest unemployment office and asking them?

Sorry I don't know what the relevant offices etc. are called in German - I live in French speaking Switzerland.

As a side issue, I was also entitled to free language integration classes because I was here and on a low income and there were people in my class who were on unemployment benefit and they got the course free too.
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Old 20.09.2010, 19:59
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I'm in a slightly different situation though - I am on a 100% medical certificate and get low income support (as a matter of fact it's my only income).
Correction - you are in a completely different situation .
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Hi,

I don't like to contradict, but I get social support and I lost my job after I'd been here 6 months... I have a 5 year B Permit that my aim in being here is to work.

I'm in a slightly different situation though - I am on a 100% medical certificate and get low income support (as a matter of fact it's my only income).

I have been told that when my medical certificate goes down I will need to contact the unemployment people and then I will get unemployment benefit while I look for work.

I'd suggest maybe going to your nearest unemployment office and asking them?

Sorry I don't know what the relevant offices etc. are called in German - I live in French speaking Switzerland.

As a side issue, I was also entitled to free language integration classes because I was here and on a low income and there were people in my class who were on unemployment benefit and they got the course free too.

You will not get unemplyoment benefit if you have not paid into the system as per rules & regulations. You may get some social security payment such as RMI (revenu minimal d'insertion)
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Old 20.09.2010, 20:07
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

CharlieR.Soles: just as an aside (slightly off topic) - a GmbH sole director is not entitled to RAV if he becomes unemployed. Does this mean he does not have to pay the 5% (or so) when he pays himself an income?

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Old 20.09.2010, 20:13
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Hi again,

I may be wrong (I don't know much about the system), and I'm not trying to pick a fight, but someone posted the attached document to answer some questions I had about social security in Switzerland. It talks at the beginning about bilateral agreements etc. and Sweden is covered. It says in the section on unemployment benefit that if you were employed for less than 12 months in Switzerland but had been employed for 12 months in another EU country and Switzerland then you are covered. And my social worker has told me I will be entitled to unemployment benefit if and when I am ready to start looking for work.

I'd have a read of it... it's in English!
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Old 20.09.2010, 20:18
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

you will most likely not get direct help.

Because you come from an EU-17 country you will also be able to get some assistance through bi-lateral agreements between Sweden and Switzerland, that is if you paid sufficiently into the system back in Sweden before you got here.

This help is to complement your several months worked here and being under the 12 month pay into the system rule.

I do not know the procedure but there are threads on here discussing this. Get searching and be prepared to cough up some swedish paperwork relating to your employment over there that the local bureau will most likely need.
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Old 20.09.2010, 20:19
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

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You can only get social support once you have paid into the insurance system for a minimum period - 12 months iirc.
I don't have personal experience of this, but it seems the rules about portable benefits have changed since the 1st of May this year and the decision on whether you qualify or not is a lot more complex that this!

There are a lot of rules about claiming benefit while searching for a job in other parts of the EU/EEA etc... and some new rules about when you become the responsibility of each state etc... I think the big decision point is if you are more than 3 months working in a country, after that date you are the responsibility of that state and it is up to them to determine your benefits and in doing so they have to take into account contributions made in other EU/EEA countries etc.....

Bottom line, the OP will need to contact the authorities to determine what if any benefits he is entitled to.

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Old 20.09.2010, 20:23
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Hi again,

I may be wrong (I don't know much about the system), and I'm not trying to pick a fight..
Heaven forbid .

It's very relevant stuff but not the same situation as the OP, so, erm, irrelevant .

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CharlieR.Soles: just as an aside (slightly off topic) - a GmbH sole director is not entitled to RAV if he becomes unemployed. Does this mean he does not have to pay the 5% (or so) when he pays himself an income?

Thanks!
Unfortunately we have to pay the 5% but cannot claim if we are the majority owner of the GmbH. One way around is to put the GmbH into your wifes name or a lawyer or a exceedingly good and trustworthy friends name, just before you decide to sack yourself for gross misdemeanors abn claim RAV. However this can end up with you losing the company....
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Thanks guys! really helpful information!
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Thank you everyone for all your replies!
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

I do not know why this question pops up every week, it is so simple: Have you worked more than 12 months in the past 24? If you are EU in some cases it does not need to be in Switzerland for the entire time, but the basic question stays the same: At least 12 out of 24 and your money is calculated based on an "average" during that time.
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Do you guys happen to know if there's any unemployment aid (and I don't mean financial!) in Switzerland? I'd love to contact an agency but as I don't have the money... well, I'd rather do it free. In most countries I've been to there's a state funded agency helping unemployed residents and I'm simply unable to find the corresponding Swiss organization...
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Do you guys happen to know if there's any unemployment aid (and I don't mean financial!) in Switzerland? I'd love to contact an agency but as I don't have the money... well, I'd rather do it free. In most countries I've been to there's a state funded agency helping unemployed residents and I'm simply unable to find the corresponding Swiss organization...
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Maybe this http://www.espace-emploi.ch/ueberuns/rav/ ?

Cheers,

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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

On your 50% contract you paid into the Swiss ALV system? If so, then the times that you paid into the Swedish (or other EU) insurance in the last 24 months will count in Switzerland if the total time adds up to at least 12 months.
You will have to prove them by requesting the E301 form, e.g. from the Swedish authorities: http://www.alfakassan.se/virtupload/..._E_301_eng.pdf
Then you apply at your local RAV office.
The RAV should help you find a job, in my experience they only care to do that if you collect large sums of monthly benefits.
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

Hello Vlh22

I just wanted to thank you for sharing the pdf document. It is very helpful.

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I'd have a read of it... it's in English!
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Hello Vlh22

I just wanted to thank you for sharing the pdf document. It is very helpful.
Glad someone found it useful!
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Re: Lost your job - possibility to get financial support?

OK, just a quick update if anyone ever gets to read this thread and starts wondering how it works.

I went to the ORP [or RAV in the German speaking parts, which is how I was looking for it in Geneva with little success as in French it's ORP ] yesterday and found out the following:

They are really helpful, upon registration (which you can do even if you're employed at the moment but getting laid off soon, etc.) you go through some aptitude tests and the like and you get all sorts of help and counseling in your search for a job.

If you've worked for at least 12 months in the last 24 months, you might be entitled to some chomage as well. Even if this was in another country. Due to bilateral agreements, I might even get some money but that's totally not what I'm interested in, so I don't really care that much. But it's good to know and anyone in such a situation should definitely check with them. There are lots of factors they consider so it takes time till they can tell you, though.

Anyway, then there are courses you can take and trainings and they might even persuade an employer to employ you, as they offer to continue paying you and you'd start working as an intern, sort of. So this can also give a kick to your career.

Now I don't know what jobs they'd find me. But as I'm not interested in the money (as a penalty for refusing an "appropriate" offer, you can be deprived of 30-45 days of chomage), I can refuse as many cleaning jobs as I want. (It would be a totally different thing if I didn't speak French or was here of my own accord. As I'm not I can't see how any of these would help me with my career.)

If you have any questions about this, please PM me and if I haven't answered it as yet, I'll try. Note that I've only been to the introductory presentation so I don't know everything just yet. But I'm really looking forward to the whole experience, I've never ever been officially unemployed and they made it sound kind of fun.

There are lots of obligations, like the papers I'll have to fill in month by month and I'll also have to be looking for a job actively, but as this is what I'd be doing anyway, I'm not scared. And all they can penalize with is taking days off my chomage, which doesn't really concern me. However, I want to do this right, because I think it's a great opportunity to take advantage of some professional help.
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