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Old 18.10.2010, 13:14
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Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

Leaving the UK at the weekend, I was asked at Check-in at Manchester Airport:

"Are you living in Switzerland Mr Oldmanc?"
"Errm, yes at this moment" (cautiously in case she wants something special)
"Can I see your Swiss Residence Permit?" (she does, but it's not love )
"Errm, yes, you're lucky I don't normally travel with it"

According to the Check-in Agent, it's a "new thing..the Swiss are getting very strict, we need to check resident permits...you can only stay 90 days...else we get fined"

I said
"First I've heard about it, I'll ask about"

And
"What would you do if I didn't have my Permit?"
Guess the answer:
"I'd have to speak to my Supervisor"
I smiled.

So, what Swiss Law is this? What the hell has changed?
FYI, the agent was Servisair, the airline was Swiss.

Anyone else heard this e.g. at LHR/LGW??
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Old 18.10.2010, 13:25
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

If it's new, then I have been asked illegally before but only when coming into the country. Swiss border police ask almost each time what Ido in CH and wants to see the permit that goes with it. Basel and Geneva Airport.
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

serviceair and man airport says it all, the people that handle the swiss flights are a bit special....

i travel every now and then on a staff ticket and they always say its fully booked "by fully booked you mean 35 free seats in eco and 15 in business with 1 hour before departure?" i get a disapproving look at that point.

i would have asked them for the regualtion and notification that requires them to ask for the permit.
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Old 18.10.2010, 13:30
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

I've only ever had the residence permit referred to twice before - and both times was at Zurich airport. The first time was by a Delta Airlines gate agent who asked a series of security questions before we reached the check-in desk. She asked for our residence permits since it stated we lived in Switzerland but did not have Swiss passports - I presumed this was to satisfy immigration authorities on one side of the Atlantic.

The other time was by a Zurich passport checking policewoman who asked if I had a residence permit to which I replied yes.
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Old 18.10.2010, 13:31
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If it's new, then I have been asked illegally before but only when coming into the country. Swiss border police ask almost each time what Ido in CH and wants to see the permit that goes with it. Basel and Geneva Airport.
LOL at the irony. I've never been asked by Swiss Immigration to show my Permit. My Pivot table in Excel tells me that's 66 inbound flights in total.
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Old 18.10.2010, 13:34
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serviceair and man airport says it all, the people that handle the swiss flights are a bit special....

i travel every now and then on a staff ticket and they always say its fully booked "by fully booked you mean 35 free seats in eco and 15 in business with 1 hour before departure?" i get a disapproving look at that point.

i would have asked them for the regualtion and notification that requires them to ask for the permit.
Ah - are they still the same as 10 years ago ??
I used to be SR and travel with ID90s, God I hated waiting landside till STD-30 mins knowing full well the aircraft had seats and weight to take me..

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i would have asked them for the regualtion and notification that requires them to ask for the permit
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Old 18.10.2010, 13:48
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

Do they deny you boarding if you haven't got your Ausweiss then?
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Old 18.10.2010, 14:22
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

This isn't that new. They wont let you use machine to check yourself in at the airport- they have to verify your documentation personaly or they (the airline or airport authority, can't remember which) will get a fine for transporting illegals to Swiss soil (or Schengen territory) !!!
I couldn't believe it either as I had never been asked for my permit even by the Swiss and this was in my own country.
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Old 18.10.2010, 14:28
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

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This isn't that new. They wont let you use machine to check yourself in at the airport- they have to verify your documentation personaly or they (the airline or airport authority, can't remember which) will get a fine for transporting illegals to Swiss soil (or Schengen territory) !!!
I couldn't believe it either as I had never been asked for my permit even by the Swiss and this was in my own country.
I haven't encountered this problem.

I always travel with my passport, but not my residence/work permit.

I mostly check in online and use a mobile boarding pass on my phone.

My regular route is ZRH-LCY.

I've never been refused check in at the airport nor been asked for my permit at either end of the journey.
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This isn't that new. They wont let you use machine to check yourself in at the airport- they have to verify your documentation personaly or they (the airline or airport authority, can't remember which) will get a fine for transporting illegals to Swiss soil (or Schengen territory) !!!
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Actually, that's a related but separate area - that's not Residence Permit.

I think what you're talking about is APIS - recording your Passport details in the Departure Control system, then they get transmitted to the Destination Immigration authorities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advance...rmation_System

In theory, you can input a passport number of 12345678 here
www.swiss.com/api
If no one checks it, that's what gets sent.

I had already entered our APIS data in advance of our trip to the UK, so we used the machines to check-in at ZRH on the way out, but there are no machines in Manchester...

Edited: that WIKI is very poor, there's a lot more to it than that...
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Old 18.10.2010, 14:43
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

I usually check in online for most destinations but returning to Zurich this happens if you try using the self service machines. Perhaps returning already checked in online they dont ask for more?
Surely checking your passport with immigration is what it is all about but some officials ask for more?
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Old 18.10.2010, 14:46
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I haven't encountered this problem.

I always travel with my passport, but not my residence/work permit.

I mostly check in online and use a mobile boarding pass on my phone.

My regular route is ZRH-LCY.

I've never been refused check in at the airport nor been asked for my permit at either end of the journey.
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

Something new for my last 2 flights out of LCY - at checkin, they asked for my residence permit, and wrote something like "Res perm" on my boarding pass.

At the gate, you know when you go down the steps to the small holding room, the agent looked at my boarding pass, saw the note, and asked to see my residence permit.

This never happened previously. Maybe because I have a non-EU passport.
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

I have an Australian passport and have had similar requests for my B-Ausweis, in several London airports, sometimes at check-in when flying back to ZH, and sometimes at UK immigration when I arrive. Was also asked for my B-Ausweis at check-in in Lisbon, and I think even once in Melbourne airport too.

Not a big fan of being asked for my "papers", but I can see the rationale. A friend of mine worked at the airport here and mentioned that if an airline flies someone to a country where they don't have right of entry / onwards travel etc it creates problems and costs for the airline...
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

Having lived in the US where you have to have your visa or residence permit when you enter (and sometimes leave), I always carry my permit inside my passport. I wouldn't think to travel without it.

I've been asked for it once leaving Zurich when I spoke german to passport control, and once, I think from American Airlines security in Zurich.
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

there seems to be 2 trends - EU and non EU. i fly every few weeks and have never been asked, maybe i am just lucky...

anyway i have asked serviceair whats the deal
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

Not sure-I'm actually EU flying out from my own country but non-Schengan?
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

I have a B permit and a UK passport - I fly to Germany, US, Dubai, India, UK, Denmark, Czech Republic and a variety of others quite regularly but have never been asked to show my B permit.
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Re: Asked for Swiss Residence permit Leaving the UK!

This has long been a world wide requirement for airlines to verify passengers documents before allowing them to board foreign bound destinations and that includes the residency visas of the destination country. They get fined very heavily by various countries if the documents are not in order. Plus there is the problem with denied entry and having to return the passenger to their departure destination. It's been many years since I've worked in this area but it is nothing new, some countries just step up their vigilance and insist the airlines are more stringent. I remember getting denied entry to the Chech republic which was a surprise because when left on my trip visas were not required but somehow diplomatic pressures changed and I was sent back to where I came from at my expense. It was a car border so it was not really a big deal as I just changed destination plans.

I've been scolded for not automatically showing my vis on arrival here at immigration so now I just always present it. Perhaps it is a No EU vs EU initiative.
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I have a B permit and a UK passport - I fly to Germany, US, Dubai, India, UK, Denmark, Czech Republic and a variety of others quite regularly but have never been asked to show my B permit.
I really think this is a EU - non EU issue.

With a EU or European passport, travelling into or within Europe should not be a problem, so why would they ask to see you permit? Whether or not you have the permit, travelling to Switzerland is like travelling to your home country.

But with a non-EU passport, they of course need to check if you are free to travel into or within Europe. Especially if you are based in Switzerland and your tickets do not seem to show you leaving Europe at some point...
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