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Old 26.10.2010, 12:59
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Re: is it possible for Indian workers on 6 months visa to work here?

while not quite that low, I've seen this sort of thing here, and in the IT banking sector, workers where brought in and still paid in india, but given a daily living allowance here, which was frankly a joke. eventually they got paid a proper wage here, but it was the bare minimum (and still a joke).
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Re: is it possible for Indian workers on 6 months visa to work here?

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I wish you were right - but I seriously do not think this is idle gossip.
$10 a day is basically 10 CHF a day, or 200 CHF a month. NO-ONE (that ive heard of, anyway) is paid so low to work in CH, I think even the most lowly paid people in the country generally earn around a minimum of around 1500 per month!

In fact they could earn the same or more than that staying in India and working in one of the many call-centres there. As for your comment: "$10 a day is a lot to them when they save it up" (while living in one of the most expensive countries in the world)... jeebus, 10CHf barely even covers a bare minimum of food and drink!

I just can't see how anyone could surivive on that, never mind willingly accept such conditions.

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while not quite that low, I've seen this sort of thing here, and in the IT banking sector, workers where brought in and still paid in india, but given a daily living allowance here, which was frankly a joke. eventually they got paid a proper wage here, but it was the bare minimum (and still a joke).
That kind of makes more sense than the little info the OP posted, but even so... it still seems ridiculous.

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Old 26.10.2010, 13:15
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Re: is it possible for Indian workers on 6 months visa to work here?

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I have indeed no proof of this. Today I had coffee with someone who did some work there- a guy I can trust- who told me that he knew this is what they are paid. Which, as you say, seems totally unreal and wrong. I can assure you I am NOT trolling.

What may be interesting to know how much does this person get in India? I mean he might be getting his salary back home and 10$ a day is given for food..!! though 10$ sounds rather low.
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Old 26.10.2010, 14:07
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Farmers and vine growers here rely on short contract seasonal labour, and provide barrack accomodation and soup kitchen food. Otherwise the work would not get done on time! The Cantons approve these arangements because nobody actually living here would do the work. I am not at all surprised at the level of payment: there is no national minimum wage, and a complete apathy from most people to joining a union. So yes, slavery does exist here, and I am sure the Cantonal authorities know about it. The people are here only short term, earn good money compared to ghetto life at home, and everyone is happy!

I have said it before, you really don't know just how well off you are!
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Old 26.10.2010, 14:13
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

In Spain this happens. They bring people over from X on boats (seriously). They set them to work (agricultural normally), apply for a visa (takes around 9 months in Spain) and send them back before the visa gets finalised (rejected). They have some temporary paperwork but this is easy to get. They have their accommodation and food paid for and entertainment on the weekend (Indian restaurant with Indian movie in the restaurant). They leave with $2000 back to rural India. Apparently they love doing it - they'd never be able to save up that amount of money and with it they can get a home/car/wife or whatever back home.
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Old 26.10.2010, 14:18
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

if they are really paying this low, then I am sure accomodation, food, local transportation and flight tickets are taken care by employer/middle men. I am also sure they would get paid some more money in India

I believe manual labour rates in India is about 7-8$ in India. Don't believe the less than $1 a day nonsense that sometimes comes out of western media (mainly bbc , cnn)
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Old 26.10.2010, 14:19
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We have a new Indian company here- the Indian workers are here on 6 months Visas - is this legal? (yes I know I am Swiss - but lived in UK for so long, haven't got a clue!). They are apparently paid $10 a day. So slavery exists in CH here and now?!?
Seems a bit fishy, why would a "new Indian company" set up facilities in Switzerland in the current scenario, isn't it extremely hard to do that

And if it is just 6 months, why spend 1500 CHF on air fare, which is more than the salary paid in this period, maybe cheaper to hire from a nearby low-cost country and pay 20$ per day.

Sound more like an imaginative story to me

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In fact they could earn the same or more than that staying in India and working in one of the many call-centres there. As for your comment: "$10 a day is a lot to them when they save it up" (while living in one of the most expensive countries in the world)... jeebus, 10CHf barely even covers a bare minimum of food and drink!
Actually skilled construction workers make this kind of money in Indian cities; call centre blokes make more
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Old 26.10.2010, 14:20
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

At once placed I worked in the U.K., some contracting software engineers came over from India for a few weeks as they really needed to be with the rest of the team for a crucial phase of the project.

The four of them shared a tin of cold baked beans for lunch every day.

I was told that they were still employed by their parent company on an Indian wage despite working for that time in the U.K.

Perhaps that's the case here?
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Surely Switzerland has some sort of legislated minimum hourly rate? (Assuming the labour alleged here is legal)
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Seems a bit fishy, why would a "new Indian company" set up facilities in Switzerland in the current scenario, isn't it extremely hard to do that

And if it is just 6 months, why spend 1500 CHF on air fare, which is more than the salary paid in this period, maybe cheaper to hire from a nearby low-cost country and pay 20$ per day.

Sound more like an imaginative story to me



Actually skilled construction workers make this kind of money in Indian cities; call centre blokes make much more
How much do call centre people make there just out of interest?
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Re: is it possible for Indian workers on 6 months visa to work here?

its not really as low as you think. I heard on top of the salary/allowance the rent and medical insurance is paid. This itself is worth about 3000chf per month.

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while not quite that low, I've seen this sort of thing here, and in the IT banking sector, workers where brought in and still paid in india, but given a daily living allowance here, which was frankly a joke. eventually they got paid a proper wage here, but it was the bare minimum (and still a joke).
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

I heard average basic salary of about 15,000 Indian rupees. Perks can include free travel to work place, medical insurance, small bonus and workplace snacks & drinks

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How much do call centre people make there just out of interest?
If you include perks (food, travel, holidays vouchers, movie tickets etc.), I would guess a fresh call centre exec at entry level in a decent firm in Bangalore makes well over 500$ a month, or 25$ a working day.

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I was told that they were still employed by their parent company on an Indian wage despite working for that time in the U.K.
I once ate a tin of cold baked beans. It must have been all I could afford
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Call center blokes make any where between $1000 to $6000( from freshers to 3 years experience)

and also the minimum wages to employ an IT person from non eu in Swiss is
86k for 3 years experience
88k for 4 -5 years experience
and 90k for more than 5 years experience ( with some more clauses at each of these levels)
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

It depends on your experience and the call centre firm.

Freshers just out of university and working for a local (Indian) call centre company make around 200-300 CHF per month (converting at the current exchange rate of around 1 CHF = 45 INR)

As your experience profile improves, you can job switch at significantly higher pay. For e.g. someone with 3 years experience would make around 500-600 CHF per month working for a local (Indian) call centre company.

Of course if you are working for a multinational call centre company, just bump up the above figures by around 100-200 CHF and that's how much the bloke earns.


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its not really as low as you think. I heard on top of the salary/allowance the rent and medical insurance is paid. This itself is worth about 3000chf per month.
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I heard average basic salary of about 15,000 Indian rupees. Perks can include free travel to work place, medical insurance, small bonus and workplace snacks & drinks
15,000 Indian rupees is equal to 300chf not 3000chf!!!

Nevertheless, i find it really hard to believe the $10 a day story as it is possible earn this in India anyway so there is no advantage to leaving the family/friends/culture etc. in India.
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Nevertheless, i find it really hard to believe the $10 a day story as it is possible earn this in India anyway so there is no advantage to leaving the family/friends/culture etc. in India.
Again, what I've heard from Spain is that they get the money in cash on completion and get everything else paid for. It's actually a pretty good deal.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

you are quoting from 2 totally different replies

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15,000 Indian rupees is equal to 300chf not 3000chf!!!

Nevertheless, i find it really hard to believe the $10 a day story as it is possible earn this in India anyway so there is no advantage to leaving the family/friends/culture etc. in India.
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At once placed I worked in the U.K., some contracting software engineers came over from India for a few weeks as they really needed to be with the rest of the team for a crucial phase of the project.

The four of them shared a tin of cold baked beans for lunch every day.

I was told that they were still employed by their parent company on an Indian wage despite working for that time in the U.K.

Perhaps that's the case here?
I've worked with guys on this sort of contract too. It was quite amusing when 4 of them were excitedly pointing to an ad in auto trader for a souped up banger that they were going to club together and buy. I advised them against it.

My last job was pretty much the same, I was always doing long stints for foreign companies, yet paid in the UK by my company. It was much better than indian wages though, and I got a suitable expenses account.
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