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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Maybe the employer promised them Fr.2000 per month. Sounds like a lot in India, so they all rushed to come. When they arrived, they are then told that tax + accomodation + airtickets + middlemen + permit fees + whatever etc., add up to Fr.1800 per month, which leaves them with Fr.200 per month. Hence Fr.10 per day.

I wouldn't be surprised - the first time I came here, as an L permit holding graduate trainee, I was also told I would be getting Fr.X. In the end I only got slightly less than 50% of that netto after all sorts of deductions. Needless to say I left after less than 1 year. And this was with one of the biggest financial services companies in Zurich!

Maybe OP should report the employer. Then again, maybe the employees are happy to bring home Fr.1200 after 6 months, so don't report them.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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you are quoting from 2 totally different replies
uups, my bad! i guess it was the numbers .....

anyway, 3000CHF is for the really top of the line employees like MS, MBA graduates from top universities in the US, UK. In other words, its an exceptional salary to have in India.

The living costs are far lower there, but then we would have to go to the Samosa crazy price. thread to continue the discussion
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Old 26.10.2010, 15:18
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

At first I wondered why 6 people have groaned the OP. Then I reread the OP a few times, realized it has too many Fruedian slips for it to be considered a harmless afternoon gossip/rumour by a bored soul
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Old 26.10.2010, 15:19
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

My guess is that they are here "training" for six months before being shipped back to India and replaced by another batch of "trainees" for six months. I'm led to believe that this is a way of getting round the visa requirements for people with rare skills etc. They will therefore be on expenses for food and board, which will in reality be provided for them to keep costs down.
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Old 26.10.2010, 15:31
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

I really don't get why the OP is getting so many groans. Anyone care to explain?
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Old 26.10.2010, 15:43
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Re: is it possible for Indian workers on 6 months visa to work here?

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A few years ago there was a case where an employer (I think it was a wine producer but can't find the reference now) was carrying out just such a practice.
+1. I remember the case as well, but cannot find any article on the web about it: The police uncovered an illegal food processing business where dozens of South East Asians were working like slaves.

There was a case in Germany where a organized gang had trafficked a four digit number of Chinese to work in restaurants all over Germany - for 900 Euro a month after they paid 12000 EUR up front in order to get a job in Europe! http://www.neuepresse.de/layout/set/...io-vor-Gericht

Needless to say that in both cases: no, they did not have a legal visa and for sure did they not come here by "regular" flights - so all the calculations in this thread are rubbish.

These cases are rare, but they do exist. If I was to OP I would question if the info was really true as people would typically not spill those things out that easily. If you are convinced, inform the authorities - Yes, maybe they are happy with their pay, but chances are equally high that the "middlemen" are organized crime and do not really let them move freely if they would want to go home or elsewhere.
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My guess is that they are here "training" for six months before being shipped back to India and replaced by another batch of "trainees" for six months. I'm led to believe that this is a way of getting round the visa requirements for people with rare skills etc. They will therefore be on expenses for food and board, which will in reality be provided for them to keep costs down.
I believe this is the scenario. BTW I can assure all that I have NOT lost any trade to these very nice guys (I am a retired teacher from the UK). They are very friendly, and happy when I greet them and exchange a few words in English. They smile a lot but seem so lonely. The person who told me about their wages is a local artisan who actually was involved in the building- as were most artisans here. Mind you it was the Indian guys that were building the huge tower, without any protection from what I could see. Thanks for all comments- I am quite surprised (shocked even) about the groans. No axe to grind here, but I am so surprised this can happen. The local authorities are of course fully aware.
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Old 26.10.2010, 16:28
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I am quite surprised (shocked even) about the groans. No axe to grind here, but I am so surprised this can happen.
Let me put it this way: There are some EF members who aparently lost some of those cosy IT jobs we had here five years ago thanks to globalization. If you search a bit, you will easily find those threads... instead of asking themselves weather or not they kept their education up to date or became maybe a little too relaxed about their future - they blame each and every Indian coming to Switzerland for their personal situation... so by now it is the reflex of some forum members to suspect that threads like yours come from a personal grudge... including me at the beginning actually. A shame.
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Old 26.10.2010, 16:50
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What may be interesting to know how much does this person get in India? I mean he might be getting his salary back home and 10$ a day is given for food..!! though 10$ sounds rather low.

Even if its just for food it's quite difficult to get by on that money.
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I believe this is the scenario. BTW I can assure all that I have NOT lost any trade to these very nice guys (I am a retired teacher from the UK). They are very friendly, and happy when I greet them and exchange a few words in English. They smile a lot but seem so lonely. The person who told me about their wages is a local artisan who actually was involved in the building- as were most artisans here. Mind you it was the Indian guys that were building the huge tower, without any protection from what I could see. ..... No axe to grind here, but I am so surprised this can happen. The local authorities are of course fully aware.
Yep - that's the worse thing that can happen. In Ticino it's almost the norm.
*Until 10 days ago there was a team of youngsters (from the looks, maybe they were from the UK?) renovating the Nike store in Foxtown.
*Manor has imported temp workers to do the end of year warehouse check somewhere in the french part of CH. Those workers were doing night shifts at sub-normal pay rates (according to UNIA).
*Apparently hundreds (some say more thank 1 thousand) of clandestine immigrants from Macedonia / Albania are working in Locarno-Ascona-Bellinzona, mostly in construction. An east european acquaintance of mine (regular guy, pays all his taxes, his medicare, etc) is so p*ssed off.. he firmly believes that the Canton knows about the whole shenanigan, but since the local politicos and the businessmen are all hand-in-pocket, nobody has an interest to uncover the filth.
*And of course, there's other excellent examples.... Rosarno, Italy...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7908910.stm

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I believe this is the scenario. BTW I can assure all that I have NOT lost any trade to these very nice guys (I am a retired teacher from the UK). They are very friendly, and happy when I greet them and exchange a few words in English. They smile a lot but seem so lonely. The person who told me about their wages is a local artisan who actually was involved in the building- as were most artisans here. Mind you it was the Indian guys that were building the huge tower, without any protection from what I could see. Thanks for all comments- I am quite surprised (shocked even) about the groans. No axe to grind here, but I am so surprised this can happen. The local authorities are of course fully aware.
If they really were building a huge tower don't you think that the building inspectors would have already visited if there were a lot of Indian guys around ?

The local builders are happy to see their jobs taken by somebody who is willing to work for $ 10.-- per day ? You telling us they standing back and doing nothing as this really is a first for Switzerland !
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Old 26.10.2010, 18:21
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If they really were building a huge tower don't you think that the building inspectors would have already visited if there were a lot of Indian guys around ?
Maybe they were building a minaret? That should help get the building inspectors over.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

This kind of stuff exists everywhere. Not in huge amounts, but you will find these situations in many countries.

There will always be crooks needing laborers, and there will also be people willing to accept to work for next to nothing for the appeal of liberty, the dream they were sold by whoever got them in such a position to begin with.

Said employers are not idiots and know how to get around rules and make themselves most discreet. Don't discredit this story because of how crazy it may sound as really is often stranger than fiction.
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Old 26.10.2010, 18:34
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I believe this is the scenario. BTW I can assure all that I have NOT lost any trade to these very nice guys (I am a retired teacher from the UK). They are very friendly, and happy when I greet them and exchange a few words in English. They smile a lot but seem so lonely. The person who told me about their wages is a local artisan who actually was involved in the building- as were most artisans here. Mind you it was the Indian guys that were building the huge tower, without any protection from what I could see. Thanks for all comments- I am quite surprised (shocked even) about the groans. No axe to grind here, but I am so surprised this can happen. The local authorities are of course fully aware.
What kind of factory do you work in & what work are these Indian workers doing?

I think the groans are because you haven't turned this company in to the authorities. What are you waiting for?
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Cannot say about Switzerland but I knew similar instances in the US where IT/accountant workers from India came on short term assignments (~ 4-5 months) and were paid lower than local wage.
As I was told by one of them, the trick was that their contracts were based in India and due to the conversion rate, it was still a very high salary in India. The consulting company paid for their housing (4 guys in 2 bd apt) and airfare. So when they returned, they still made money (in addition to seeing some US and networking for potential jobs in US with more $$).
But $10/day i.e Rs 450/day i.e ~ 10500/month sounds low even from Indian standards!
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Maybe the OP can recheck if it was $ 10/hour and not $ 10/day.
Al though $ 10/hour may be low from CH standards but is high if you convert to Indian rupees.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

If someone is earning ten dollars a day in Switzerland as I see it they would barely get by.

If they are being given food, lodging, health insurance, pay back in their home country, grapes, apples, tins of pear halves or any other form of payment in kind, then they are not earning ten dollars a day. They are earning the equivalent of those revenues put together. And if people are over here on a food-and-accommodation only deal with pittance on the end of it it may or may not be a bad deal for them. If they are getting a decent wedge back in their home country accounts and survival money here then they could be quite happy.

Perhaps it is exploitation, but someone hearing that someone else said his brother heard that they were on ten bux a day does no one any justice because it's clearly not the full picture.
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Checked to day- confirmed by source (not proven) that it is defo $10 per day. Their food is provided, and they never go out apart from a walk around the village at week-ends. I do not think they have visited anywhere else in CH but our village. They then go back and another lot arrive. I am just trying to get my head around it - and how the authorities here collude quite openly with it - which made me think there is some sort of loopehole. I only found out about wages 2 days ago- which is why I am surprised at all the groans.
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Checked to day- confirmed by source (not proven) that it is defo $10 per day. Their food is provided, and they never go out apart from a walk around the village at week-ends. I do not think they have visited anywhere else in CH but our village. They then go back and another lot arrive. I am just trying to get my head around it - and how the authorities here collude quite openly with it - which made me think there is some sort of loopehole. I only found out about wages 2 days ago- which is why I am surprised at all the groans.
Do they get payment in their home country in addition ? This is not uncommon and would explain their neutral wage here.
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I have no idea. Yes, that would balance things out a bit. But still - legal?
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