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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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I have no idea. Yes, that would balance things out a bit. But still - legal?
I think it could be if the authorities are clear on the whole arrangements, I am no expert on such matters but perhaps the holding company has a significant arrangement with the canton and the labourers are just part of such a deal. I think my initial "this is not true" was a bit of a stupid way of putting it, sorry, what I meant was, Switzerland has a good infrastructure as a country and if they really were bodyshopping for 10 bux a day sort of chinese-factory slave style then for it to be above board the labourers would have to be getting some other benefit as a straight 10 dollars a day wouldn't pass minimum wage requirements, however a structured finance package, even if its low, potentially would.

It could just be a corrupt slaveshop though as you say, they do exist, but I am surprised if the authorities turn a blind eye if the figures really are so low because as Charlie said, the builders who are losing their work to this would complain to the authorities.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

I am guessing but maybe the deal is that these employees are being seconded to their companies' Swiss entity therefore being paid their Indian salaries and the 10 USD is the per diem for incidentials.
I would still really be surprised that the swiss authorities turn a blind eye considering they're non-eu.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

All the local artisans got work out of the factory - the Indian workers did all the dangerous work, and set up the production of the product according to the Businesses specification, as per their factory in India. It does seem that, somehow, the authorities are working with the deal- so it would make it very difficult to complain. It just does seem very strange and am trying to understand how this can work here.
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Old 26.10.2010, 20:49
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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Checked to day- confirmed by source (not proven) that it is defo $10 per day. Their food is provided, and they never go out apart from a walk around the village at week-ends. I do not think they have visited anywhere else in CH but our village. They then go back and another lot arrive. I am just trying to get my head around it - and how the authorities here collude quite openly with it - which made me think there is some sort of loopehole. I only found out about wages 2 days ago- which is why I am surprised at all the groans.
How do you know they "collude" with it? Perhaps they don't know exactly what his going on. Companies do lie, you know. I'm still surprised that you haven't contacted the authorities about your concerns about how they are being treated.

What kind of factory is this? What type of work are these people doing?
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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All the local artisans got work out of the factory - the Indian workers did all the dangerous work, and set up the production of the product according to the Businesses specification, as per their factory in India. It does seem that, somehow, the authorities are working with the deal- so it would make it very difficult to complain. It just does seem very strange and am trying to understand how this can work here.
I don't think there is anything to complain about, so no need to worry. Skilled labour is being used where there is danger - very sensible approach - and if there is a factory in india like this then they already likely have experience of the processes involved. If the local workforce is also gaining employment directly then it sounds like everyone's a winner - the offshore workforce are being paid in their home country, the local workforce is getting work and the canton is getting business which will ultimately generate wealth.

Switzerland at work!

Of course the story could be completely different, but as no one knows the facts apart from someone saying they heard that the 'indians were on ten dollars a day' you have to trust the authorities who provide the business infrastructure of not being corrupt.
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All the local artisans got work out of the factory - the Indian workers did all the dangerous work, and set up the production of the product according to the Businesses specification, as per their factory in India. It does seem that, somehow, the authorities are working with the deal- so it would make it very difficult to complain. It just does seem very strange and am trying to understand how this can work here.
You are not really saying that this company is going to manufacture in a Swiss factory the exact same product they are currently manufacturing in an Indian factory, are you.
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Yes they want to open the European market. In remote areas like here they are given all sorts of tax breaks, etc.
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Old 28.10.2010, 17:47
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Could be a deal with the canton where the factory is built at low investment, but once it opens the canton gets some jobs for the Swiss. The company sells at relatively higher prices in the European market, but lower compared to what they would if the factory were built with local labour. The made in Switzerland label helps them. The low investment keeps the profit margins high.

Over time the canton is happier making more in taxes from the company and the local jobs as compared to the revenue from having the factory built by local workers?
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You are not really saying that this company is going to manufacture in a Swiss factory the exact same product they are currently manufacturing in an Indian factory, are you.
Why not? If the factory will make low-value commodities local manufacture may turn out to cheaper than shipment. Products such as toothpastes, soft drinks etc are often made locally rather than being shipped across the world from one central plant in the cheapest location.
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Why not? If the factory will make low-value commodities local manufacture may turn out to cheaper than shipment. Products such as toothpastes, soft drinks etc are often made locally rather than being shipped across the world from one central plant in the cheapest location.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

It might be difficult for some of you to realise what it is like to live in a very small rural community where you are on the only foreigners (and at the same time born and bred here). I am making discreet enquiries. I am quite shocked that so many groaned at me for asking the question- and would be grateful if perhaps some of the groaners feel like removing their groan. (I suppose I'll get a few more instead). Thanks.

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Old 28.10.2010, 19:09
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It might be difficult for some of you to realise what it is like to live in a very small rural community where you are on the only foreigners (and at the same time born and bred here). I am making discreet enquiries. I am quite shocked that so many groaned at me for asking the question- and would be grateful if perhaps some of the groaners feel like removing their groan. (I suppose I'll get a few more instead). Thanks.

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No way! Now that is something. Indian coffee maker. FACK! this is almost personal. Being a pucca South Indian and everything. We take Coffee very seriously. Very Very Seriously.

Hmm... Has to be one these fellows, oder? http://www.indiacoffee.org/buyer/exporters1.htm

One short letter to the Indian Coffee Board, with the Indian Minstry of External Affairs, NDTV or CNN IBN in CC may be in order.

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It would be a very nice gesture if the following people removed their groan.

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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Yes, the groans are a gentle reminder that EF is a kindergarten
(I removed my groans BTW and replaced it with thanks, if that is going to make the OP happy)

"We have a new Indian company here- the Indian workers are here on 6 months Visas - is this legal?"

is what the OP said. In the context of the responses in the first page, I felt the OP had an issue with Indians coming on short-term visas in general, that is what I meant by a Freudian slip...plus having no idea what an L permit is...

I personally wouldn't actually bother to complain myself (maybe I would if I were fully settled here and knew my way around and if I felt sufficiently strongly about it), so I don't expect the OP to do it either.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

As per the info I got from one of my Indian lawyer friend there is an act called Payment of wages act 1936 and in exercise of the powers conferred by sub-section (6) of
Section 1 of the Act, the Central Government, on the basis of figures
of the Consumer Expenditure Survey published by National Sample
Survey Organization, has enhanced the wage ceiling, further, to Rs.
10,000/- per month vide gazette notification No. S.O. 1380 (E) dated
8
th August, 2007.

Now in light of above the monthly wages in India itself will be around USD10 per day (taking 25 working days) so just wondering why someone will come this far for same amount??


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As per the info I got from one of my Indian lawyer friend there is an act called Payment of wages act 1936 and in exercise of the powers conferred by sub-section (6) of
Section 1 of the Act, the Central Government, on the basis of figures
of the Consumer Expenditure Survey published by National Sample
Survey Organization, has enhanced the wage ceiling, further, to Rs.
10,000/- per month vide gazette notification No. S.O. 1380 (E) dated
8
th August, 2007.

Now in light of above the monthly wages in India itself will be around USD10 per day (taking 25 working days) so just wondering why someone will come this far for same amount??


In light of the above what ? What exactly does it say ? something about 10k per month. Could you expand on what it means please.

You don't know how much these people earn in their home country. 10 dollars is a wild guess.


Why they would come here ? Because they work in their home country, and their boss says "we're building a factory in switzerland, we need you to go over there for a bit". "ok" . "You'll still be paid here mind, so your family will be alright, its just a work placement - you'll just get incidentals over there". " ok".

one temporary placement later they return to their home country.

Thats it. Explained. Not that complex really, is it ?

As for groans or thanks or whatever else people comment with, perhaps the poster should stop referring to people of a particular nationality, as the tone of the message is discouraging - i.e. 'is that even legal'. It would be better to refer to people anonymously until you know the facts.

Here's a counter example:

Went into work in London today, and - again - more cheap swiss labour flooding the market. my mate says these swissies they come over for about 10 quid a day and do the dangerous stuff then they 'disappear' back home. is it legal ? can swiss people just rock up here and work ? doesnt sound good to me.

See how it comes across ? It might be just a factual message but it implies that a given nationality is renowned for such behaviour.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

I assume that $10 might be the expenses that is being paid to skilled labourers per day.By expenses I mean that it is a kind of daily allowance other than their salary.Which I assume is good,if not great.

One thing I like about Switzerland is that,the government there makes sure that there is equal pay for equal work irrespective of Caste,creed and sex and it is definitely tough to evade the Confederate's prying eyes and go on $10 per day wage system.So,I hope it is better not what is being suspected.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

My guess is that they are nominally paid higher wages but then, the employer discounts food, room and travel expenses. The workers are left with $10 a day to take back home.
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