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Old 30.10.2010, 19:02
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

I am genuinely sorry if anybody read my post as critical of a certain nationality. If ever any of my family, friends or other Brits/Swiss appear to be 'exploited' anywhere in the world, I hope somebody would ask questions in order to find out the facts. Which I am currently trying to do- out of sincere concern for other human beings.
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Old 30.10.2010, 19:37
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I am genuinely sorry if anybody read my post as critical of a certain nationality. If ever any of my family, friends or other Brits/Swiss appear to be 'exploited' anywhere in the world, I hope somebody would ask questions in order to find out the facts. Which I am currently trying to do- out of sincere concern for other human beings.
The sorry gesture you intend might be the result of your thinking that you are being projected of trying to be critical of a certain nationality which has been caused due to so much discussion over a small question in order to address a grave issue,

which........on the contrary,I truly believe that it has been an exhibition of a true gentleman quality on your part,to be concerned about human beings who are being deprived of what they deserve.

But the issue whose answer you seek has shocked many.Some of us are baffled,others refuse to believe,most are confused over what is truly going on...........hence the negative portrayal of a positive quality.

Have you tried discussing the same with the authorities ????......I mean you being a Swiss citizen can probe into it deeply to find out the real truth.Maybe the employee you conversed with was unable to convey his real state to you.There can be many things.

Also,issues like this makes us,who inspire to work and prosper in CH,doubtful about few things here and there.

Anyway,there would always be something or the other but being a good human is what really counts and Thank you really for the concern you showed about the rumored Wage of the working Indians.I was indeed a good humanely deed.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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My guess is that they are nominally paid higher wages but then, the employer discounts food, room and travel expenses. The workers are left with $10 a day to take back home.
my guess is they get 10 dollars cheque then they get another 297 dollars each tuesday and thursday. on wednesdays they get 200 bux but a free pair of jeans and on fridays they get paid in Yen.
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Old 31.10.2010, 01:30
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my guess is they get 10 dollars cheque then they get another 297 dollars each tuesday and thursday. on wednesdays they get 200 bux but a free pair of jeans and on fridays they get paid in Yen.
I also guess that in this world there are educated guesses and arse* guesses
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I also guess that in this world there are educated guesses and arse* guesses
I also guess irony is wasted...
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Old 31.10.2010, 02:20
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

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I am genuinely sorry if anybody read my post as critical of a certain nationality. If ever any of my family, friends or other Brits/Swiss appear to be 'exploited' anywhere in the world, I hope somebody would ask questions in order to find out the facts. Which I am currently trying to do- out of sincere concern for other human beings.
So, who do you think knows more about what is going on in your factory us or the managers of your company and the commune/canton authorities?

If you really were concerned about the well being of these people I would imagine you would discuss it with the appropriate people in your company, the commune, the canton and the individuals that you feel are being exploited, not us.

Have you informed anyone yet of your concerns besides us?
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

$10 per day is still very less. I don't believe such thing can happen.
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Old 31.10.2010, 07:38
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I also guess irony is wasted...
Shame on you.

"I also guess sarcasm is wasted."

Fixed it for you .
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

It could be true Swetamili, Sweatmills exist all over the world.

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$10 per day is still very less. I don't believe such thing can happen.
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I also guess that in this world there are educated guesses and arse* guesses
Ok, to put it another way, could you tell me how much these people earn a day ?
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It could be true Swetamili, Sweatmills exist all over the world.
It could be. It might not be of course. We just don't know.

Wouldnt it be more sensible to go to the canton and say company X might be illegally employing their staff, which should set in place a chain of events that will resolve it ?
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It could be. It might be that I was just messing around with words. Which would be very inappropriate, and I would be sorry.
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It could be. It might not be of course. We just don't know.

Wouldnt it be more sensible to go to the canton and say company X might be illegally employing their staff, which should set in place a chain of events that will resolve it ?
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It could be. It might not be of course. We just don't know.

Wouldnt it be more sensible to go to the canton and say company X might be illegally employing their staff, which should set in place a chain of events that will resolve it ?
What and kill a thread that is on its way to a scoring century purely on guess-mongering

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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Hello,

This is nearly impossible. Whatever worker be, the salary you are quoting is less than even Indian salary paid in india.

Hence I think the rate you are mentioning is hourly and not daily.

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Hence I think the rate you are mentioning is hourly and not daily.
Possibly - but haven't you had jobs where every hour felt like a day?
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Old 01.11.2010, 00:03
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

There is a possibility that accomodation and transportation to switz is included in the payment an so the wage can be fixed as long as the contract states all the conditions.

As they are classed as migrant labourers conditions and pricing can be pre determined.

An example Mr x gets 5000 plus accomodation and transport costs from employer Y during time in switz he will be paid a daily allowance of 10$ a day. When the contract is finished a final payment will be paid of 5000 into the employees account. This is possible and then the calculations will discount the accomodation and flight.
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Old 01.11.2010, 07:19
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An example Mr x gets 5000 plus accomodation and transport costs from employer Y during time in switz he will be paid a daily allowance of 10$ a day. When the contract is finished a final payment will be paid of 5000 into the employees account. This is possible and then the calculations will discount the accomodation and flight.
Do you have a source, example or link to the relevant law for that?
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Old 01.11.2010, 09:33
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

Ok.. I think we don't really have all the information here, for example I don't think it is mentioned in thread how much (if any) these workers earn back home. What I can give you is an example of how it works in the company I work.

When employees get send on short-term assignment (e.g. less than 1 year) the employees get paid in their home country their home salary plus they receive an daily allowance which is suppose to cover their food, Telephone, Laundry, Recreation, Personal Care, transport to work etc.. In addition the company provides accomodation and health insurance.

And the allowance for those come to Switzerland (for the Leman region) is CHF64 per day (based on survey by http://air-inc.com/). Now if you take the items above (i.e. food, laudary etc..) and start deducting assumed value of items already provided, it can be reasonably concluded what's left is what the workers should be at least be provided. I let you do the math... Again... I believe company I am working is quite generous with benefits... i.e. rent and insurance is provided separately.. and of course your airfare is also paid by the company...

We have people from all over the world going every where under these terms... so the idea is the company covers your cost in your host country so that you don't have to dig into your home country salary... depending on how is your lifestyle often people are reasonably off with the CHF64...

Again CHF64 x 30 => CHF 1,920 is still below the swiss salary level but it is still legal...

What I am trying saying is even though the CHF 10 seems to be low.. you need to put it in context and see what is really provided to these workers. If they are properly fed, covered for medical and accident, who covers the airfare etc....

It is not about the CHF 10 but more about how the CHF 10 is calculated and what these workers are provided with... and of course the 'real motive' behind it... beside the cheap labour tag... as many companies do it as part of people development... (which I don't think is the case here)...
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Old 01.11.2010, 09:38
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

While you're at it, you may want to ask your "friend" how much the Swiss apprentices on the site are making per day.

As others have already mentioned, the "loop holes" you're wondering about are probably that they get room and board and ticket paid and thus deducted from their salary and they are most likely here as trainees on a trainee visa. Standard trainee salary is 700 CHF/month excluding room and board.
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Re: Indian workers on 6mo visa, earning $10/day: is this possible/legal?

It was just an insight into contractual agreements they can be drawn up anyway they want to be.

If it is illegal because it doesnt cover the minimum salary thats another thing and thats why when you make contracts you can up the costs on such things as accomodation, flights, insurance.

It looks like you are paying a lot and divide that into the time period the person works it looks fair but the reality can be something else.

The only person who can answer all of the small details is Odile as he is the one who brought it up but doesnt want to do anything about it in practice it seems. I suggest he names and shames.
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