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Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

Switzerland makes the news in the US. This article e-mailed to me by my brother. Let's hope it never comes to this.


Jan 10, 11:42 AM EST

Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

GENEVA (AP) -- A Swiss village has found a drastic way to compel dog holders to pay their pet's annual tax: cough up, or the dog gets it.

Reconvilier - population 2,245 humans, 280 dogs - plans to put Fido on notice if its owner doesn't pay the annual $50 tax.

Local official Pierre-Alain Nemitz says the move is part of an effort to reclaim hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes.

He says a law from 1904 allows the village to kill dogs if its owner does not pay the canine charge.

Nemitz told the AP on Monday that authorities have received death threats since news of the plan got out.

"This isn't about a mass execution of dogs," Nemitz said. "It's meant to put pressure on people who don't cooperate."


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Re: Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it



Similarly, Thurgau allows dogs to be seized if the tax is not paid. A challenge was made to this law, but the Bundesgericht in Lausanne upheld it.

(Although if I've understood correctly, the TG law says 'taken away and placed elsewhere' - no mention of killing the animal.)

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...ht/thurgau.php

"Das Bundesgericht hat am 26. September 2008 entschieden, dass die am 12. September 2007 beschlossene Änderung des thurgauischen Gesetzes über das Halten von Hunden, die unter anderem den Einzug eines Hundes bzw. dessen Fremdplatzierung als Mittel zur Durchsetzung der finanziellen Verpflichtungen des Hundehalters vorsieht, gesetzeskonform und damit zulässig ist. Die Regelung verstösst nicht gegen das Schuldbetreibungsrecht, da sie nicht als unmittelbare Massnahme zur Vollstreckung einer Geldleistungspflicht dient, sondern ein indirektes Druckmittel im Sinne eines administrativen Rechtsnachteils. Es liegt somit kein Verstoss gegen das bundesrechtliche Pfändungs- und Retentonsverbot von Heimtieren vor (BGE 134 I 293). "

Essentially, the federal court allowed the TG law to stand because the threat of seizure is considered not direct enforcement but rather an indirect administrative pressure - and therefore does not violate the federal law against seizing pet animals for debt collection.

If any of you legal eagles could explain that bit of twisted logic (or correct my understanding of the decision - my German is not what it should be) I would be very grateful.


Will be interesting to see if challenges are made to the Reconvilier measure.

Bottom line, though: Pay up, folks.
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Switzerland makes the news in the US. This article e-mailed to me by my brother. Let's hope it never comes to this.


Jan 10, 11:42 AM EST

Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

GENEVA (AP) -- A Swiss village has found a drastic way to compel dog holders to pay their pet's annual tax: cough up, or the dog gets it.

Reconvilier - population 2,245 humans, 280 dogs - plans to put Fido on notice if its owner doesn't pay the annual $50 tax.

Local official Pierre-Alain Nemitz says the move is part of an effort to reclaim hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes.

He says a law from 1904 allows the village to kill dogs if its owner does not pay the canine charge.

Nemitz told the AP on Monday that authorities have received death threats since news of the plan got out.

"This isn't about a mass execution of dogs," Nemitz said. "It's meant to put pressure on people who don't cooperate."


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wtf? why is there a dog tax???
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wtf? why is there a dog tax???
I believe the phrase is 'You've been Switzerlanded!'

(Thanks to the multiplier used in my gemeinde, the muttley crew gets hit for CHF 700 per year.)

Seriously, though - it's the 'user pays' philosophy. It is possible to keep general income taxes low (or low-ish, depending on where you live) because many services are funded by directly taxing those who use them. Someone's got to clean the Robidogs, run the ANIS database, staff the local animal control office, - and that someone needs to be paid a salary.
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Re: Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

Whats the method of execution, and how is it carried out? Does some "Tax or Death" truck roll up to your house or what?

I heard Billag is considering something similar, is there any truth to that?
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Switzerland makes the news in the US. This article e-mailed to me by my brother. Let's hope it never comes to this.


Jan 10, 11:42 AM EST

Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it
And this reported with some surprise in the US where the dog pound and collection and destructions of strays has been common practice for years...

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Whats the method of execution, and how is it carried out? Does some "Tax or Death" truck roll up to your house or what?

I heard Billag is considering something similar, is there any truth to that?
According to yesterday's paper, the last time an "execution" was carried out (back in the '50s), the bobby just turned up at the house and shot the dog.
Simple, quick and effective.
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And this reported with some surprise in the US where the dog pound and collection and destructions of strays has been common practice for years...
Animal shelters putting down animals that would otherwise be running wild on the streets is quite different than someone coming into your home and putting a bullet into Fidos head because you forgot to pay a bill
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Switzerland makes the news in the US. This article e-mailed to me by my brother. Let's hope it never comes to this.


Jan 10, 11:42 AM EST

Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

GENEVA (AP) -- A Swiss village has found a drastic way to compel dog holders to pay their pet's annual tax: cough up, or the dog gets it.

Reconvilier - population 2,245 humans, 280 dogs - plans to put Fido on notice if its owner doesn't pay the annual $50 tax.

Local official Pierre-Alain Nemitz says the move is part of an effort to reclaim hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes.

He says a law from 1904 allows the village to kill dogs if its owner does not pay the canine charge.

Nemitz told the AP on Monday that authorities have received death threats since news of the plan got out.

"This isn't about a mass execution of dogs," Nemitz said. "It's meant to put pressure on people who don't cooperate."


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"reclaim hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes"?
Taxes for 280 dogs? Hundreds of thousands of dollars?
Glad I do not live in that village
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Re: Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

I'm assuming the dog tax is just one of many that are being looked at, in a measure to reclaim money from a vast range of unpaid taxes ...

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According to yesterday's paper, the last time an "execution" was carried out (back in the '50s), the bobby just turned up at the house and shot the dog.
Simple, quick and effective.
Did they charge the owner for the bullet, too?
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Taxes for 280 dogs? Hundreds of thousands of dollars?
Glad I do not live in that village
Well, theoretically speaking, if 100 of those dog owners should have paid 100 CHF per year for 10 years, then you'd get to a hundred thousand. The rest must be reminder charges, non-payment penalties, added interest and administration charges

But I agree, threatening to kill the pet sounds like nothing other than extortion. I guess they'll just threaten to confiscate and hold the dog and that'll be enough to force the owners to cough up.
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We got our reminder in the Post today - so it would be difficult to 'forget'. One of the farmers here refused to register his dog for years - dogs should be vaccinated and chipped and evidence produced when you go and pay the dog tax. So the cost can be a lot more than 100CHF if you have to do that first. He was given an ultimatum by the Commune/Gemeinde- refused to pay and the farmer shot the dog himself in front of the Administrator. Nice chap. Sadly this poor dog had been causing a lot of problems in the village, straying and attacking both other dogs and people - and had been tied up by the cow shed for a whole year! In a way it was a relief to know the poor animal's suffering was over. If a Commune has many who refuse to pay for years - maybe they want to make the point very strongly- which will act as a deterrent. I agree it sounds really nasty.

I have no objection at all to paying a dog tax- where we were in the UK there were so many strays. This tax hopefully reduces that incidence. The Commune also provides dog bag/bins all over the area and will deal with complaints about unruly dogs, etc.

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Stubborn old coot. I feel sorry for the dog, though!
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Oh no sweetie, you have to pay the same in the Netherlands
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Oh no sweetie, you have to pay the same in the Netherlands
Actually, I heard Sweden also has a dog tax, and the amount of tax paid is directly related to the height of the dog, so Swedes prefer daschounds and other dogs that are low to the ground in order to pay less taxes!
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Re: Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

A tax/fee also exists in Australia, although there it's called a license fee. You receive a tag that is attached to the collar. It is quite cheap if the dog is neutered
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Similarly, Thurgau allows dogs to be seized if the tax is not paid. A challenge was made to this law, but the Bundesgericht in Lausanne upheld it.

(Although if I've understood correctly, the TG law says 'taken away and placed elsewhere' )
Probably to a butcher in Appenzell or SG!

(yes, Korea is not the only place that people eat dogs: http://www.euroveg.eu/evu/english/ne...s964/dogs.html or http://www.rjkoehler.com/2004/01/14/...ust-ate-fondue)

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What an excellent idea to make it cheaper for neutered dogs. Brilliant. Many people in rural France or Switzerland do not 'believe' in having dogs neutered, with catastrophic consequences = 1000s of unwanted dogs.

I am surprised the dog eating habits of central CH has not been discussed before. In 1917, my dad's Bernese Shepherd dog disappeared (dad was 5) - he looked for him everywhere but he just could not be found. Two days later when he returned with his older brother from another foray to look for him - there was meet cooking in every pot - and they had lots for dinner - the family had not had any meat for a couple of years. His brother told him the next day, after another fill at lunchtime. His relationship with his dad never recovered- although in those circumstances perhaps it was justified. It is extremely shocking that this happens in CH right now - and that Bernese are bred for that purpose.
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Re: Swiss village: pay your dog tax or Fido gets it

Is this where we digress into the "I could never eat dogs!" part?

If so, I'd like to throw in my bit first!

I don't think I'd have a problem eating "dog meat", but there's no way I could eat a dog I've raised or owned as a pet.
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Is this where we digress into the "I could never eat dogs!" part?

If so, I'd like to throw in my bit first!

I don't think I'd have a problem eating "dog meat", but there's no way I could eat a dog I've raised or owned as a pet.
That's how we feel about our pet rabbit (we eat other rabbits all the time)

Al least our bunny (and cats) don't get taxed, so we don't have to worry about them being carted off!

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