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dog training in Zürich

Hello pet lovers and all
I did search EF for the following answer but could not find anything..

It looks as if we are finally getting a K9 companion again A 2 year old gentle giant (cane corso) name: Tyson

He is already well behaved but I still need and want to take some classes with him

Do you know of a good school?

thanks for your info..
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Re: dog training in Zürich

Congratulations!

Oooo - love cane corsos. Such regal dogs.

First thing on the agenda should be the SKN - you have 12 months from the time you have adopted your new guy to do the mandatory course, but it's best to get that out of the way.

Here is the database of SKN certified trainers:

http://bvet.bytix.com/plus/trainer/

Where is ZH are you, and/or how far do you want to travel?


ETA:

Also look here at the pdf 'List der bewilligten Hundausbilder und Hundausbilderinnen in Kt. ZH'

http://www.veta.zh.ch/internet/gesun...e/FoundMB.html

And, perhaps take a gander at the 'Regelment zur praktischen Hundasubilden'.

All the best to you and the new addition!

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Re: dog training in Zürich

Thank you meloncollie, we had dogs previously so we are not required to do SKN (thank goodness) but i should have mentioned that we had 2 dogs prior to this one.
We live in Oerlikon/Seebach and i dont mind taking the train to get to where i need to go, good practice with our "little" guy to get used to being on the train
Most importantly i am looking for a place that actually has an agility ground or greens to train with the dog. Not just a parkinglot
I would love to go and check out a few prior to signing up but hate wasting my time with the ones that as previously mentioned only have a parkinglot available for training.
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Thank you meloncollie, we had dogs previously so we are not required to do SKN (thank goodness) but i should have mentioned that we had 2 dogs prior to this one.
We live in Oerlikon/Seebach and i dont mind taking the train to get to where i need to go, good practice with our "little" guy to get used to being on the train
As a previous dog owner, you don't have to do the theory course - but all owners who acquire a dog after 1 Sept 2008 are required to do the practical course, regardless of previous experience.

(I've had dogs for 20+ years, 6 of whom I adopted while living in Switzerland, but the one I adopted after the TschV came into force was required to do the SKN practical. As will all others adopted from now on.)

Start with the SKN, then go with further training from there.

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A few of the Zürichers I know who do Agility are with DoldDog:
http://www.dold-dog.ch/

And here is a list of Agility Training clubs in Zürich:
http://www.agility-ch.ch/vereine-ch/zuerich.htm

Many of these will offer other training opportunities as well.

I would recommend a general 'Familienhund' class, though. This is usually a mix of basic obedience, specialty topics, learning games, a little agility, a bit of search training, a bit of team training (HTM), Rally O, Triebball, learning through outings - all the things a dog needs to live happily in a family here in Switzerland.

A list of Certodog training schools, by canton:
http://www.certodog.ch/filemanager/1232041294.pdf

Too bad our Hundeschule is a bit too far from you... (http://www.kurse-fuer-hunde.ch in Wollerau SZ, and Agility in Einseideln, http://www.hundeclub.org/default.htm )

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Re: dog training in Zürich

thanks again meloncollie, i agree with taking familienhund classes I want to make sure i have a happy dog that is well behaved since i have a 4 year old and as you know cane corsos are quite big and strong this one is about 50klg!! I want to get a cane corso book so i can learn more about the breed such what they like to do etc. with your experience what would you recommend i should do with him what are there talents so to speak Do they need special food since they tend to slobber allot..yuck
what kind of health problems do they tend to get?
thanks for sharing your expertise with me (sorry for the spelling,my english is not so good)

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Re: dog training in Zürich

I'm afraid my breed expertise - if you can call it that - is really limited to nutcase collies and shelties. I can't remember if anyone on EF has a Cane Corso, but they are molossers, so perhaps getting in touch with the big dog experts (ExMilExPat, Grumpy Grapefruit) would be a good idea.

The only thing I would mention re: agility and big-boned dogs - do not underestimate the stress the sport places on joints. It is recommended that agility is not started before 18 months even for small breeds. I'd speak to your vet before starting with a young large breed.

Agility is generally dominated by the herding dogs, BCs specifically. However, I have seen all breeds doing it. If you are interested, and if your dog seems to find it fun (the most important thing!), I'd look first for a group doing 'Spass-Agility', training just for fun. In the CH agility word there are folks who take it very seriously. These clubs are not my cup of tea, as my girl just wants to have fun. (Nor are we anywheres near good enough , and the adrenaline-charged atmosphere can be counterproductive given Hooligan's issues.)

As an alternative to Agility, we have been doing Team Training for a year or so now, and I find it perfect. This is a bit like HTM (without the M) i.e., learning tricks and steps along with the owner. This is very laid-back but requires a lot of brain work and owner-dog bonding. It is perfect for my girl, as she has reactivity issues. Her adrenaline is kept sub-threshold, she keeps her focus on me, learns to work with me despite whatever is going on in the background. And it's loads of fun.

Rally O is great fun for all breeds. This is sort of a combination of obedience and parcours work. You go from station to station, each has a separate set of instructions, different skills a dog needs to perform. Low keyed, varied, also a great brain work-out.

Most dogs love scent work - this is something we do in Familienhund. We lay a scent course, the dog needs to follow it. Can be as simple or complex as you wish. Scent work can also be done at home in your garden, and combined with various skills/obstacles for more interest.

We will start Triebball later this spring, and I'm hoping this will be fun for her. Triebball is 'herding ball' - the dog herds large balls into a goal, playing on the herding instict. Certainly not limited to herders, all breeds do it - but I have no idea if a Cane Corso would be interested or not. Once we get into the class I'll report back.

I'd get in touch with a Molosser club and speak to members about appropriate exercise for young 'biggies'.
http://www.molosser-club.ch/

FWIW, there is also a molosser forum, but as it requires registration I can't browse to get an idea how good the content is:
http://www.molosser.ch/

These would also be good contacts for training ideas for a Cane Corso.

But after the SKN, start with Familenhund, try a bit of everything and see what your dog likes to do. Training, first and foremost, must be fun for the dog.

ETA:

Another thought: Many clubs now offer 'Kind und Hund' classes. Your 4 year old is probably a little young yet, usually the child must be age 6 or older - but perhaps in a few years you could consider this. The idea is that the child learns how to live with and handle 'his' dog. I've watched the classes at our Hundeschule (not participated, don't have children myself), and have been quite impressed. Most of the participants are dogs who are enrolled in other classes with a parent, but this is a good opportunity for children to learn valuable skills, taught in an age-appropriate way.)

Oh - and when your little big guy comes home you *must* post pics here!

Good luck!

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Re: dog training in Zürich

yeah i dont think that agility and a heavy dog would mix i just don`t want him to get bored
i did write the molassor club an email yesterday so maybe they will respond. I am also getting a book that should help. All in all i just need to make sure that we have all the classes etc so that we will not get fined.
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We have gone to this one for Puppy Kindy and a Young Dog Course. They have all kinds of specialized classes too.

http://www.hundeschule-capraro.ch/

You can see Capraro in this list:
http://www.kynologos.ch/content/links.html

(For those looking for a well-run puppy playgroup,
the Praegungsspieltage in the list above is another good one we've observed and it's nearer Zurich.)
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Thank you meloncollie, we had dogs previously so we are not required to do SKN (thank goodness) but i should have mentioned that we had 2 dogs prior to this one.
We live in Oerlikon/Seebach and i dont mind taking the train to get to where i need to go, good practice with our "little" guy to get used to being on the train
Most importantly i am looking for a place that actually has an agility ground or greens to train with the dog. Not just a parkinglot
I would love to go and check out a few prior to signing up but hate wasting my time with the ones that as previously mentioned only have a parkinglot available for training.
thanks for all the info..
hey geri! congratulations on getting a new addition! You did mention it in passing the last time we met and I am so glad that you and the family took the plunge!

melloncollie is right - you will have to do the practical SKN course REGARDLESS of whether you are a previous dog owner - for every new dog you decide to have.

The one we went to was in Albisgutili - end of Tram 13 line, next to the shooting school - which is rather convenient if you are based in Zürich. The link is:

http://www.animalcoach.ch/cms/

The contact is Carolina Jaroch. She's great!
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Hey Congrats!!

Always good to see more Tyson's!
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Re: dog training in Zürich

Hi all,

Need more dog trainers in SZ area, please let me know..English is important, but if they dont speak perfect english i dont mind

My dog is very bad compared to the others
he is very spoiled and walks my wife instead of my wife walking him...

He needs training badly,


Any help will be great, I dont mind investing the time into this, will make all of our lives better..
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Hi all,

Need more dog trainers in SZ area, please let me know..English is important, but if they dont speak perfect english i dont mind

My dog is very bad compared to the others
he is very spoiled and walks my wife instead of my wife walking him...

He needs training badly,


Any help will be great, I dont mind investing the time into this, will make all of our lives better..
Found one for you in Gränichen*: http://www.kvi.ch/index.php?id=19 s.sandy(at)staub-schuler.ch

You didn't mention needing it, but they do have an SKN coming up in August: http://www.kvi.ch/fileadmin/PDF_Doku...ung_082011.pdf

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*Meh... I just realized this is an hour from Richterswil and probably won't help you.
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Thanks Kein,

I am in the SZ area now.. Any thing closer, i noticed one or two in Wollerau, i sent an email..

Any more locations? Any one know the general cost of training?
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I am in the SZ area now.. Any thing closer, i noticed one or two in Wollerau, i sent an email..

Any more locations? Any one know the general cost of training?
SKN is generally 140 to 150CHF each for the Theory and the Practical course.

BVET has a search tool (but not in English) here: http://bvet.bytix.com/plus/trainer/default.aspx

In your area, I found these first two trainers who list English. Some trainers though do speak English however it's not listed in the search tool.
There are two who appear to be close to you but who do not list English.

1. Buser Esther
Bächenmoosstr. 6
8816 Hirzel

Ausbildung/Anerkennung: Wakonda GmbH
Sprache: Deutsch Italiano English
Tel.: 044 729 80 10
Handy: 079 349 32 47
es-buser@bluewin.ch

2. Hundetraining
Stucki Catharina
Zugerstr. 24A
8810 Horgen

Ausbildung/Anerkennung: Footstep
Sprache: Deutsch English Français
Tel.: 044 726 03 29
Handy: 079 287 47 22
noblehouse@bluewin.ch

3. Karpf Graziella
Stationsstrasse 46b
8833 Samstagern

Ausbildung/Anerkennung: Schweizerische Kynologische Gesellschaft SKG
Sprache: Deutsch
Handy: 076 588 20 93
gkarpf@sunrise.ch

4. Steiner Renate
Gnosseweg 11
8832 Wilen

Ausbildung/Anerkennung: SK-9 GmbH
Sprache: Deutsch
Handy: 079 357 43 72
Renatesteiner@swissonline.ch
www.hundeschule-topdog.ch
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Clone, in Wollerau I can highly recommend Jeanette Schuler-Ponte:

http://www.kurse-fuer-hunde.ch/index2.html

German only, I'm afraid - but often other class participants will speak a bit of English, and might be able to help you get by.

Actually, taking classes in Swiss-German helped me improve my canine skills immensely. Here I was, trying to figure out what the leader wanted me to do in a language I didn't quite understand, trying to figure out from body language and watching others what was right or wrong, as a wave of unintelligible sounds washed over me...

...just like my dog has to do every day living in a human world.

Being put in the position my dog is in every day gave me new insights on human - dog communication, has helped me become more adept at reading her body language, at speaking 'Hundisch'.

Good luck, hope you find a course that works for you.

(Are you required to take the SKN practical course? This is required of all dog owners who acquired a dog after 1 Sept 2008 - and even if not required, recommended for those who are new to Switzerland as you will learn about Swiss laws and social norms.)
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Hi all,

Need more dog trainers in SZ area, please let me know..English is important, but if they dont speak perfect english i dont mind

My dog is very bad compared to the others
he is very spoiled and walks my wife instead of my wife walking him...

He needs training badly,


Any help will be great, I dont mind investing the time into this, will make all of our lives better..
Has your dog done the SKN practical course?

I am a little confused as to what you are asking for. If you havent, the SKN practical course are only 4 lessons, and they cost about 25-30CHF per session depending on the trainer. However, from what you've written, it sounds like this dog needs much more than the SKN course. Do ask the trainer if she is willing to also give private sessions outside of the SKN course as what they cover in these 4 lessons are really VERY VERY basic. For starters, stop spoiling him. No means no

To the rest of the other dog owners:

I am not sure about the rest of you but gemeindes are starting to ask for the SKN completion confirmation if you got your dog after Sep 2008. I was asked to produce that when I renewed his dog tax.

Is it just my gemeinde who is especially on the ball?
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Mine asks for proof that we have completed the SKN as well. And for proof of liability insurance.
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Has your dog done the SKN practical course?

I am a little confused as to what you are asking for. If you havent, the SKN practical course are only 4 lessons, and they cost about 25-30CHF per session depending on the trainer. However, from what you've written, it sounds like this dog needs much more than the SKN course. Do ask the trainer if she is willing to also give private sessions outside of the SKN course as what they cover in these 4 lessons are really VERY VERY basic. For starters, stop spoiling him. No means no

To the rest of the other dog owners:

I am not sure about the rest of you but gemeindes are starting to ask for the SKN completion confirmation if you got your dog after Sep 2008. I was asked to produce that when I renewed his dog tax.

Is it just my gemeinde who is especially on the ball?
Thank you so much,
i used the swiss FVO site and found many trainers, i sent an email asking for their services.. Yes he needs all the help he can get, the SKN course will be taken once i get info on it.. I found 1-2 trainers in SZ area that offer english, rest are Deutch.

I will ask for private training classes, he is really out of control, I dont mind paying for this, its too embarrassing in public
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Has your dog done the SKN practical course?

I am a little confused as to what you are asking for. If you havent, the SKN practical course are only 4 lessons, and they cost about 25-30CHF per session depending on the trainer. However, from what you've written, it sounds like this dog needs much more than the SKN course. Do ask the trainer if she is willing to also give private sessions outside of the SKN course as what they cover in these 4 lessons are really VERY VERY basic. For starters, stop spoiling him. No means no

To the rest of the other dog owners:

I am not sure about the rest of you but gemeindes are starting to ask for the SKN completion confirmation if you got your dog after Sep 2008. I was asked to produce that when I renewed his dog tax.

Is it just my gemeinde who is especially on the ball?
I had to first prove that I dón't have to take the Theory course, which was not a problem given the age of my Senior K9. Then they (the Gemeinde) told me the vet didn't register my dogs in ANIS so I had to go back and get that fixed.

I mention all of that because it shows they are watching.

I didn't get asked about the SKN Praxis, but was reminded I have to complete it. Perhaps, like you, they'll ask for the certificate when tax time rolls around again.
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I am a little confused as to what you are asking for. If you havent, the SKN practical course are only 4 lessons, and they cost about 25-30CHF per session depending on the trainer. However, from what you've written, it sounds like this dog needs much more than the SKN course. Do ask the trainer if she is willing to also give private sessions outside of the SKN course as what they cover in these 4 lessons are really VERY VERY basic. For starters, stop spoiling him. No means no
Clone, Summerrain is spot-on here - training is a long-term endeavor. The SKN is the bare legal minimum, the intent is to cover the basics, to highlight what Swiss society expects of dogs - and more importantly of dog owners. Further training is recommended for all dog owners; if one's dog has 'ishooz' one is most emphatically encouraged to pursue on-going training.

I have done a combination of group (Familienhund) and individual training, as well as dog sports, with my reactive dog. 4+ years on she is a delight, thanks to all the hard work and support of our trainer. All my dogs, including the ancient one, take classes - I see these as an activity as well as training.

As you are in SZ, I'm sure you know that cantonal law requires dogs to be on lead at all times in public. This creates quite a barrier to socialization for our dogs; one of the reasons I love Familienhund classes is that these give my dogs the social interaction they need, and could not otherwise find given SZ law.

While you are searching for an appropriate training option, may I recommend a book I've found to be quite helpful: 'How To Behave So Your Dog Behaves' by Dr Sophia Yin.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Behave-Y...1670777&sr=1-1

All the best to you and your doglet.


ETA:

You may also want to look into this trainer/behaviorist:

http://www.hundeschule-fee.ch

I don't know her personally nor have I seen her work, but have heard good things from colleagues. She isn't that far from you - about half an hour. I see from her CV that she has done coursework with Turid Rugaas and Sheila Harper and attended seminars in the UK, so I'm guessing that she likely speaks English.

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