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Old 29.03.2011, 18:28
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Well unless she attacked another person recently she is going to have a reasonably good idea who put the complaint in. If Carrie just goes for the peace pipe, then nothing will come of it until this lunatic decides to nuke somebody else, who may suffer infinitely more stress. If some guy in the high street or on the train came on to you big time, would you ask his address to pop round for tea and a chat or would you stop by the next station and ask someone to call the police.Suggesting that Carrie might get grief because Gengis Khan is a neighbour is ridiculous. She took Carrie on without worrying about the consequences, so why should Carrie back down now for a peaceful life. No way.Either she has a problem that is being treated, she hasnt been taking the pills and someone needs to know, or she needs some and someone needs to know.
Even though she will know it's her neighbor complaining, it doesn't make a difference. We knew who was complaining and we knew her accusations were lies - but she still had her friends in the building sign a letter and we still had to deal with the agency. It's not fun in any case.

I just wanted to point out that you don't always have to fight fire with fire. Yes the OP was upset because this woman was going off on her in German, but it's possible the woman doesn't understand English. Maybe she was terrified her dog was going to be aggressive with the OP and/or her dog and was caught up in the moment.....I don't know. And I'm not defending her - I'm just trying to show a little perspective considering they have to live together in the same building.
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Old 29.03.2011, 18:30
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Even though she will know it's her neighbor complaining, it doesn't make a difference. We knew who was complaining and we knew her accusations were lies - but she still had her friends in the building sign a letter and we still had to deal with the agency. It's not fun in any case.

I just wanted to point out that you don't always have to fight fire with fire. Yes the OP was upset because this woman was going off on her in German, but it's possible the woman doesn't understand English. Maybe she was terrified her dog was going to be aggressive with the OP and/or her dog and was caught up in the moment.....I don't know. And I'm not defending her - I'm just trying to show a little perspective considering they have to live together in the same building.
Well the other woman doesnt seem to care
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Old 29.03.2011, 18:31
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Re: Am I wrong to be cross or am I missing the point?

Firstly,sorry about this awful incident you had to go through. I have had a couple of incidents like this myself,as i go walking through the woods each morning. Once i was even knocked off my feet by a dog that looked like a mastiff, because the owner refused to leash it and it knocked me over trying to get to the dog i was walking...very scary. I know you said your wife had Swiss friends, but we also live in BL, so if you would like my Swiss hubby to come with you to the neighbour to talk to her, he would be happy to do so...he can talk very fast too... Good luck.
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Old 29.03.2011, 19:06
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Re: Am I wrong to be cross or am I missing the point?

We've read all the comments here and I think it's a case of different strokes for different folks. Some people want to tackle it head on, some people want to avoid confrontation. We could talk to her or report her but in this case I think we'll just forget it and avoid her. I really don't fancy confronting her..she's clearly an old crazy and I don't think it would achieve anything. It's really great to get peoples opinions though. I guess these things are bound to happen wherever you live.
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Old 29.03.2011, 19:15
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The idea that you have to leash your dog while hers is offleash is frankly retarded. The behaviour of an on-leash dog when confronted with an off-leash dog, especially an energetic one, will be defensive and problematic.

She sounds a little unbalanced. At the very least, I would tell her "STOP" if she approached me - she'll get the message.

On the bright side, I have a local nutter (I call her Cruella de Vil) who throws stones at my dog. The language barrier was broken when she complained to me and I replied (with charade-type demo) that she should "not throw f---ing stones at my dog".

Do be reasonable - you have the moral highground. Also do make friends with normal dog owners to help you defend yourself from this person.

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Old 29.03.2011, 19:18
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Well unless she attacked another person recently she is going to have a reasonably good idea who put the complaint in.

If some guy in the high street or on the train came on to you big time, would you ask his address to pop round for tea and a chat or would you stop by the next station and ask someone to call the police.

OK fair point.

Agreed.


Just call the cops then.
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Old 29.03.2011, 19:31
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I'm very sorry about this incident. No need to say I cannot approve that woman's behavior at all. However, what downright puzzles me is the fact that you wrote she called you a "bloody whore." Did she say so in English? Or, if not, what exactly did she say? Could it be that you misheard something?
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It's just a detail, I know, but might be essential in case something similar happens again.
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It's fairly likely I misheard her..she was speaking Swiss German faster than I could properly follow..and she was kinda screaming. I think you're right. It was something like 'blutig huere' which I have assumed to be 'bloody whore' but I see could be somewhat different. It was definitely hostile but maybe not quite as unpleasant as I thought. My knowledge of Swiss German swearing is evidently even patchier than my conversational German!
Thank you. Well, I can turn and twist it as much as I like, what you think you heard just doesn't make sense. Most important, it cannot be anything near "bloody whore" or the like. "Blutig" ("bluetig" in Swiss German) means "bloody" in the sense of "bleeding" or "gory," but it is never ever used in the sense of "damned" or the like.

Of course that doesn't make the degree of agression any better.

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Honestly, does it matter?

She was screaming at her, rarely someone will scream at somebody else and call her my little sweet heart. Doesn't matter which words she used, what does matter is the attitude she had.
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Agreed Nil,
We shouldn't get caught up in the small stuff. It's clear that what was said wasn't nice.
Basically I agree, but in the case of any kind of legal action, this "small stuff" may matter. Let's assume you tell an authority you were called a bloody whore. Then the other party comes up with ear witnesses that testify that she said something totally different, and whoosh, your credibility goes down the drain. That's what I want to prevent.
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Old 29.03.2011, 19:32
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Re: Am I wrong to be cross or am I missing the point?

OP: you ask "am I missing the point?" Yes, I think you are.

A high percentage of western society suffer mental illnesses in some form. Switzerland has as much as any. You neighbour is barking (appropriately).

Odd that you haven't come across one before. There is no reasoning, no discussion with her. Just walk away and be thankful you are still sane...
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This is an incident that happened in an open area near my home in Grellingen, up near the woods.
Carrie, just how close to the woods is it? Many municipalities have laws about keeping dogs on the leash near/in forests. In fact if your dog is off the leash in one of these areas it may be shot on sight by the forester. This is to protect the wildlife in the forests and particularly deer. Just a word of warning....
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Old 30.03.2011, 01:13
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Re: Am I wrong to be cross or am I missing the point?

Very close to the woods, but that doesn't start (having to keep dogs on the lead all the time) until 1st April. We definitely won't be flouting that law, didn't realise they could be shot! Speaking of the wildlife, we have been seeing the warning signs about frogs/toads up there recently..anyone know what that's about? We also saw them on the main road when we went to Wasserfallen. Are we supposed to swerve for frogs?!
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OP: you ask "am I missing the point?" Yes, I think you are.

A high percentage of western society suffer mental illnesses in some form. Switzerland has as much as any. You neighbour is barking (appropriately).

Odd that you haven't come across one before. There is no reasoning, no discussion with her. Just walk away and be thankful you are still sane...
I get that she's a crazy and that crazies are universal, what I wanted to know was whether there was some etiquette or rule that I was missing, that is particular to Switzerland. Like are you supposed to leash your dog when someone else tells you to.
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Very close to the woods, but that doesn't start (having to keep dogs on the lead all the time) until 1st April. We definitely won't be flouting that law, didn't realise they could be shot! Speaking of the wildlife, we have been seeing the warning signs about frogs/toads up there recently..anyone know what that's about? We also saw them on the main road when we went to Wasserfallen. Are we supposed to swerve for frogs?!
You are correct, while the leash law is in many places only in effect as of April 1, I know someone whose dog was shot.
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You are correct, while the leash law is in many places only in effect as of April 1, I know someone whose dog was shot.
I reckon the woman should be shot
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..... Are we supposed to swerve for frogs?!
If she conveniently lives right in the same building. I would be (calmly at first) ringing her door-bell for an explanation. Arm yourself with a Swiss friend and pop round for a chat.

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Considering you live in the same building as this woman, is it worth considering taking a native speaker with you, politely knocking on the door to have a civil conversation?

Yes it's not nice to have run-ins with her when you're in a field - but it's even more of a pain if she starts making trouble for you with your rental agency.

I agree she was in the wrong and someone of authority should speak to her - but I've dealt with neighbors who make trouble for us because of our dog and it's stressful.
Agreed !!

Yes you must file a complaint with the police against this woman. It must be recorded that she behaves badly.

As my doctor explained to me, the next time there is trouble with her (And it might be with you) they will look upon it as a first offence.

Take a Swiss German speaker with you and file a complaint with the police against her for threatening and insulting behaviour.
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I get that she's a crazy and that crazies are universal, what I wanted to know was whether there was some etiquette or rule that I was missing, that is particular to Switzerland. Like are you supposed to leash your dog when someone else tells you to.
Carriandpaul, in a nutshell: animal welfare is regulated at the federal level, and animal control at the cantonal. So you have essentially 27 different sets of laws pertaining to dog ownership.

Federal law is here: (Good for practicing your German )

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/c455_1.html

A summary of the cantonal laws can be found here, click on your canton of residence:

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...echt/index.php

The community may also designate areas where dogs are forbidden, or required to be kept on lead. The animal control officer at your Gemeinde may have a brochure highlighting what you may, and may not, do.

Essentially, it all boils down to being polite and respectful of others - an owner must be in control of his/her dog at all times, and ensure that others (people and animals) are not bothered.

Now etiquette is another thing. While not necessarily required in law, it is generally expected that you should not allow your dog to approach another dog/person without first taking two seconds to ask permission. Most owners are happy to have the dogs meet and greet - but some may wish to avoid contact. Please respect those who have made that decision.

When someone asks you to recall your dog, it is the polite and responsible thing to do so. Recalling only takes a few seconds - and is a good opportunity to re-inforce your training.

Note I said recall, not re-leash. Unless you are in an area designated on-lead, recalling and keeping your dog at your side is sufficient, assuming that your dog will stay by your side. If your dog can't be counted on to stay by your side, re-leashing while that person passes by is prudent.

The key is common sense and respect for others.

(From your description the woman you met seems to be lacking both, to say the least. Such people are best given a wide berth, for your dog's sake.)
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Hi all

I've posted this elsewhere on an old thread but starting a new one too because I really need to get some feedback soon.

This is an incident that happened in an open area near my home in Grellingen, up near the woods. Lots of people walk dogs there and neither myself or my partner have every had any problems having a game of fetch with our dog..dogs are permitted.


Basically I need some advice urgently after a really distressing incident in the open grassy area I take my mini schnauzer to run off-leash. I would really appreciate any feedback, please let me know if I'm in the wrong or right.

So I was walking my dog and let her off leash to fetch a stick. I should say that my dog is very obedient, always comes when I call her. She wasn't out of my sight and no more than 10m away from me. I always walk her up to the fields on her leash and only let her off when it's safe. She's chipped, registered, insured, everything.

We spotted a neighbour with her lab/bull terrier cross in the next field (this woman always struggles to control this dog. She warns people not to go near her when she's walking it. To be honest I think she's the problem, the dog whilst big is just energetic. But she struggles with it) Anyway,she was about 250m away, her dog off the lead, she was throwing the ball for it. No problem. We were doing the same. Until she spots us and starts yelling at me to put my dog on the leash. My German is very patchy, and she was very far away. I shouted back that I didn't understand (I really didn't get why she was telling me to put my under-control dog on the leash when we weren't doing anything wrong and had every right to be there) but she wouldn't quit shouting at me. Her dog - which she then leashed - was straining and dragging her, clearly wanted to meet my dog. But I kept away from her - still 250m away - and continued throwing the stick for my dog. My dog didn't make any attempt to run away, and had no interest in the dog. She's well socialised and back home used to spend the days with a dog walker with a pack of up to 6-8 other dogs. Like I said she's obedient. She's also abut 7kg wet through. This woman continued yelling at me! Like, she was getting aggressive. I started to walk in the other direction with my dog. It got to the point where I decided to leave, leashed my dog to head to the road.

This woman then let her dog OFF the leash where it charged me and my dog. A 150lb dog. It wasn't aggressive, my dog was pretty freaked out though as was I to be honest. But her dog was playful. I stood my ground and held my dog at heel whilst she called it back. It didn't go back to her. All the while this woman was screaming at me and got closer, had to come all the way to leash her dog..shouting right in my face. All I kept saying was I don't understand you, why are you shouting at me, but eventually I got real sick of this woman who was getting madder and louder. So the only way I could I responded by saying 'control your dog' and then when I got mad, in English saying 'my dog is under control, you need to control yours' and I won't lie, there were some choice English words from me. This woman started mocking and taunting me and then started calling me a 'bloody whore'...I'm walking away all this time and she's following me. Eventually she got bored and walked the other direction.

So I'm really, really mad and upset. I don't know if I should report her to the Gemeinde or if I'm the one who's wrong?! PLEASE help! I have to live in the same building as this woman!

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If she conveniently lives right in the same building. I would be (calmly at first) ringing her door-bell for an explanation. Arm yourself with a Swiss friend and pop round for a chat.
You girls love the confrontation! I think it is always the best course of action to act defensively, or try to diffuse the situation, calmly ask what the matter is, and if that doesn't work, just leave, find another field, don't protract the situation for a meaningless barny.
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