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Advice re UK quarantine vs longterm tierheim stay in Switzerland

Hi, I'm likely to rant a little bit as I am completely stressed/confused as to the best course of action and I hope some of you very experienced dog owners can help me.
I have two beautiful poodles who had chips and passports when I 'adopted' them (aged 4). As we are english I thought it best to carry out the rabies blood test procedure on the off chance that we might move back to the UK one day. One dog 'passed' the test and the other 'failed' and had to be given a new shot and re-tested. I mistakenly believed that a 'pass' meant your rabies worries were over and so he was not given his booster in January (I simply was not fully aware of the regulations, please don't all moan at me, I feel bad enough already). He can have his booster and blood test re-done tomorrow.
All plain sailing so far BUT we have now found out that we have to move back to the UK this summer. I simply can't see Defra having an exemption clause (although I do intend to call them and plead), which leaves me with the dilemma of do I put them in quarantine in the UK or find a kindly tierheim here in Switzerland where they will at least be able to take walks etc . Does anyone have any insight into which will be better for the dogs. I can't bear the thought of being parted from them so at least with the quarantine option, I can visit them regularly. However which is best for the 'psychological' wellbeing of the dogs. At least they will be together. Help. Please. Any advice/suggestions. ps we live in Canton Zug.
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Re: Advice re UK quarantine vs longterm tierheim stay in Switzerland

I'm not really sure but they don't have to be in quarantine for the 6 months if they stay in Switzerland. They can hopefully stay with friends or generous EFers or at a friendly pension for the time that is left from their 6 month. Where as in the UK they have to stay in quarantine. You best bet is to leave them here for the waiting period then come back and pick them up.

I wouldn't separate them from each other though. Don't stress. They may have to be away from you for a little while, but it will all be OK in the end.
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Re: Advice re UK quarantine vs longterm tierheim stay in Switzerland

Thanks, Minimia. A calm voice of reason is what I need. I asked the question because I want to do what's right for them and not what's best for me. If they stay here, I can really only see them once or maybe twice in 4 months. I can't imagine it. But I'm sure they'll be happier that way than in a quarantine kennel.
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Re: Advice re UK quarantine vs longterm tierheim stay in Switzerland

There is absolutely no getting around the 6 month wait after a successful rabies titer - don't waste your breath trying to plead with UK authorities. Seriously - this one is carved in stone. Either the dog waits 6 months outside the UK, or does the time in a UK kennel.

If you are considering bringing your dogs into UK quarantine, please - research the facilities very, very carefully.

My only experience of UK quarantine was in the pre-PETS Scheme days when it was mandatory. I toured several different facilities, and frankly was shocked at the conditions. There was no way in hell I would have left my dogs there for a day, let alone six months.

(In fact, this is why we are in Switzerland. Because of the UK quarantine at the time, my husband turned down the UK job flat. Company then asked him to consider moving somewhere, anywhere else in Europe.)

Obviously things may have changed in the intervening 11 years - after all, with alternatives to UK quarantine now allowed those facilities lost their monopoly and now have to be a tad more animal and customer friendly. However the fact remains: UK quarantine is just that - your dog will spend six months in a concrete cell, with minimal human interaction and no socialization with other dogs. (Two dogs from one family may be quarantined together, I believe - but they will not be allowed interaction with other dogs.)

I know a few dogs who had to do UK quarantine in the intervening years - and some have been traumatized by the experience.

I could not risk it with my dogs.

Were it me, I would move heaven and earth to find a temporary foster in Switzerland or in France (there are kennels in France set up for just this... give me a chance to look through my files for the info). Being separated from you will be difficult enough for your dog - you want him in a friendly facility where he will have the company of other dogs, opportunities to run and play, plenty of human interaction.

Try putting an ad here on EF for a foster, be prepared to pay the going rate - but this will certainly be more reasonable than UK quarantine. (Do be aware that if your dog stays with a foster for more than 3 months, you need to assign temporary ownership to the foster in the ANIS database, and the foster needs to do the SKN with the dog - you'll want to pay for that.)

Alternatively, could you consider commuting CH-UK for the six months, waiting to make the move until your dog is ready? My husband and I have done this - another UK stint came up when the oldie was too ill to move - OH worked in London, I stayed here with the dogs, we saw each other most weekends. Worked well.

Hoping this all works out for you and the doglets, with the least amount of stress all around.

All the best.


ETA:

When you said that the dog was not boosted in January - was that a 1,2, or 3 year vac? The UK does not require annual vacs, re-entry is allowed during the validity of the vaccination, defined according to the manufacturer's specifications. So if your dog was given a 3 year vac, you can enter the UK six months after a successful titer during the three years the vac is valid, until the expiry date on your pet passport. If given a 2 year vac, you have 2 years, if given an annual vac it is only 1 year.

Most vets in CH are giving the 3 year vac as standard. Have you checked your expiry date?



ETA 2:

http://www.cani-excel.com/pet_quaran...ternatives.asp

In France, these folks specialize in providing an alternative to UK quarantine. They can arrange pet home boarding. Kennels also available. I heard about these folks through colleagues, have not seen the facilities myself - so due diligence required.

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Re: Advice re UK quarantine vs longterm tierheim stay in Switzerland

Extract from DEFRA reply from when I was in the same boat last year:
"Thank you for your e-mail sent to the Customer Contact Unit and received by us on the 13th September 2010.

For your pet dog to enter (or return to) the UK by use of the Pet Travel Scheme (PETS) and thus avoid quarantine, the following procedures must be carried out in the stated order:

1). Your pet dog is micro-chipped, then
2). It is vaccinated against rabies, (then boosters kept up-to-date) and then
3). A blood sample is taken and sent to a European Union (EU) approved laboratory for testing. If the required level of antibodies is reached, the earliest date that your pet may enter the UK is 6 calendar months after the date that the sample was drawn, assuming that all other rules of the scheme are met.
*Your veterinarian should check the datasheet of the rabies vaccine used in order to ascertain when the blood test should be taken.

Please note that steps 2 and 3 above must be carried out in a PETS qualified country.

Further to this, pets must be treated against ticks and tapeworm not less than 24 hours and not more than 48 hours before checking in with a PETS authorised carrier (on a PETS approved route), for the journey that brings the pet into the UK.

Also, blood is tested min' 30 days after the injection, so realistically you are talking 7 months from the vacc'

For animals being prepared in an EU country, you should get an EU pet passport. If you are preparing your animal in a non-EU listed country you will need to obtain an official third country veterinary certificate although note that Croatia, Gibraltar, Norway, San Marino and Switzerland are also issuing passports.

For further information on how to prepare your pet for export to the UK under the Pet Travel Scheme (PETS), including documentary requirements and approved routes and carriers, please see the link below:
http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pet...pets/index.htm

I hope this has answered your question. Should you require further information you may wish to:

· Check our websitehttp://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/travel/index.htm
· Or contact The PETS Helpline on 0870 241 1710
· Or send an e-mail to quarantine@animalhealth.gsi.gov.uk"

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I would check for quarantine services closest to your destination, as at least you will see them more frequently that way and it would be less stressful for the dogs and you I think.

Also, remember that the blood is tested 30 days after the vacc', so in effect it's 7 months total from date a vaccination before Uk entry without quarantine.... provided the test is passed of course.
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