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Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Hi All,
I am going to have my two dogs spayed/neutered. The female for preventing health problems (even if she is nearly 2-years old now and I should have done it before) and the male for both behavioural and health reasons (he is 6-months old).
Has anybody of you done it in Switzerland? Can you tell me an indicative cost? Just preparing myself to check if I can afford to do them at the same time....
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Here are a couple of threads on the subject, to get you started:

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Old 22.05.2011, 00:07
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Moon, I just re-read your post, and noticed the dogs' ages.

Apologies if you are already aware of this, and have coping plans in place, but just in case...

Do be aware that at 6 months some dogs can father pups. Many are still too young, but as a rescue volunteer I've seen a few cases. So if your 2 year old female is coming into heat anytime soon, be very careful - as in, if she comes into in estrus before getting the male done, keep the two under your direct and immediate observation and control where you can ensure that the two cannot mate, or keep them separate at all other times .

It is generally recommended that an ovariectomy/ovariohysterectomy should be performed mid-way between the cycles, so roughly 3 months after her last season.

And, it is generally recommended to keep a recently neutered male away from females in estrus for several weeks after the op.

Your vet can advise you as to the best (i.e., safest) timing for getting both dogs done.

Hope all goes well - you are doing the right thing for your doglets.

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Old 22.05.2011, 00:34
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Wow, that seems so expensive!!!

If I should prioritize one, should I go first with the male? They just met today (we are going to get the male in three weeks time) and he was all the time smelling her "there" and running after her smelling... She was feeling pretty nervous for this. I just read that it is better to spay males before are sexually adult or they will keep their sexual behaviour even after being spaying.... I cannot think about him like that in my apartment continuously.

But on the other hand, I am not sure I can wait for her... I read that the sooner the better for preventing tumours and she had already her first heat.
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Wow, that seems so expensive!!!

If I should prioritize one, should I go first with the male? They just met today (we are going to get the male in three weeks time) and he was all the time smelling her "there" and running after her smelling... She was feeling pretty nervous for this. I just read that it is better to spay males before are sexually adult or they will keep their sexual behaviour even after being spaying.... I cannot think about him like that in my apartment continuously.

But on the other hand, I am not sure I can wait for her... I read that the sooner the better for preventing tumours and she had already her first heat.
I would suggest having the dog you own now spayed as soon as possible. I would postpone the arrival of the male until your dog is fully recuperated. I would recommend having the male neutered before you bring him home. As for the expense, owning dogs (pets in general) is expensive and neutering/spaying is really not a lot of money compared to what else you might face down the road. It might be worth looking into pet insurance plans for the new dog.
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Hi meloncollie,
Once I get the male I will not be able to check them constantly. We live in a flat so I cannot separate them and I am not at home during the day.
Maybe I should just neutralise her before we get him. She had her first heat in October but I suppose she is not regular yet. I will call the vet and try to do it next week for her.
And I will try to get him spayed as soon as he is here. What do you think about the date? There will be a difference of two weeks before they meet after being neutralised but she will be with him after he is neutered. Would this be a problem?

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I would suggest having the dog you own now spayed as soon as possible. I would postpone the arrival of the male until your dog is fully recuperated. I would recommend having the male neutered before you bring him home. As for the expense, owning dogs (pets in general) is expensive and neutering/spaying is really not a lot of money compared to what else you might face down the road. It might be worth looking into pet insurance plans for the new dog.
I know about expenses... she has been sick since day one we have her. Just not sure to be able to afford both surgeries at the same time but I will if needed. I cannot postpone the arrival of the other. How long would it take for her to recover? And what about him? Will he need to be isolated after it because of the surgery?

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We live in a flat so I cannot separate them and I am not at home during the day.
I don't want to start World War 3, but is anyone at home with them during the day? Two dogs alone in an apartment all day is a recipe for trouble. Do a search on the forum and you will see what I mean...
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I don't want to start World War 3, but is anyone at home with them during the day? Two dogs alone in an apartment all day is a recipe for trouble. Do a search on the forum and you will see what I mean...
Ops, I am talking of sharpei... they are extremely quiet "usually". I work during the day, I can be back at lunch for walking them but apart from that I will not be able to be there. I could try to work from home at the beginning to "train" him but it wont be for ever.
She had never created problems at home but she was alone... would be a big difference if they are two? Going to check other posts now...
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Moon, you need to discuss this with your vet, in light of your dogs' individual health needs, and your girl's estrus timing.

We can only give general advise based on the info you give us - but we need more information in order to be of any help:

When do you expect your female to go into estrus next?

What breed and size is the male?

(ETA: I see in that he is a sharpei - a sharpei is a large-ish dog, you really need to discuss timing with your vet.)

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First, let me say that I am absolutely pro-neutering/spaying. Every dog who walks in my door gets snipped at the first opportunity, assuming there are no health issues that would preclude doing so.

Generally, I would recommend that a female be neutered before bringing home a male assuming this is the mid point between her cycles. If it is not the midpoint in your dog's cycle, you need to discuss timing with your vet. The reason that vets prefer to neuter at the mid point is that this is the time when there is the least amount of swelling, making the surgery safer for the dog.

However, in the rescue with which I volunteer we often have no information about dogs who come in, no idea when the last season was - and we spay as soon as possible as a matter of course. (Assuming other health considerations make it possible to do so.)

When to neuter a young male is dependent on several factors, not the least of which is breed and size. In large or giant breeds, many vets prefer to wait until the dog reaches maturity, as there are issues of bone development to consider. This is still a concern with smaller breeds, but not to the extent of the large ones.

Wearing my rescue hat, I'd have the male neutered sharpish. (In fact, if coming from the rescue I volunteer with, an intact male would not be allowed to go to a home where an intact female lived.) BUT I'd also want to first ensure that the timing of neutering is appropriate for the dog's physical and mental development. (ETA: He's a sharpei, a large-ish dog - you must discuss testosterone/bone development issues with your vet.)

You mentioned behavior concerns as a motivator - what specific behaviors has he shown that cause you concern?

As Mrs D says, - if you have your girl spayed before bringing the male home (which would probably be the sensible solution, provided timing is right with her cycle), do give her time to properly recover before introducing the newbie. You don't want her in pain or feeling grumpy while she is adjusting to sharing her home - not fair to her, not fair to the boy.

Introducing a second dog to the household can be a chaotic time - you will need to be with the dogs for most of the time intially, you'll need to monitor their interaction to ensure that they get along, you will need to do a fair amount of training with the youngster, and you will have to train the two as a team, as pack behavior can be quite different from individual. (Trust me on this one... )

If you are not at home during the day, are you sure that you are really in the position to give the 6 month old the socialization and training he needs at this stage? Think about this very carefully...

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Recovery from a routine spay is usually fairly quick. The stitches are in for 7-10 days, one is advised to keep the dog to on-lead walks only at that time, and to keep her calm, avoid running about, jumping etc. Most dogs are groggy for a day or so, and then bounce back in the next day or so - and then you have the *fun* of trying to keep an active dog quiet.

Ditto a male dog - you are advised to keep him quiet 7-10 days, which will be a real challenge with a 6 month old. You should not leave him unattended during this time, it simply would not be fair.

With either op, there is the issue of protecting the stitches. Some dogs worry the wound, biting the stitches/staples/glue, opening the wound. Another reason why you will need to be on hand during this period. To prevent chewing, some dogs are given a E-collar, or advised to wear protective clothing of some kind to cover the wound. A dog in an E-collar should NOT be left unattended for long periods, accidents can happen. Ditto with clothing, something could get caught.

Be aware that after neutering hormones still take about 4-6 weeks to settle down - which is why it is recommended to keep a recently neutered male away from females in estrus for that time.

You really should consider taking time off work to coincide with the arrival of your new dog. If you can't do that, you could be setting yourself up for a difficult time down the road.

Where is the pup coming from - a breeder, a rescue? Have these points been raised already?

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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

I am going to call the vet first thing on Monday and try to get an appointment asap to discuss about her. I really think it is difficult to say when she will be in heat again. She had her first one so late (she was already 15 months old!) and it lasted one month (is it that normal?). So now it's 6 months from that but I really doubt she is going to have it soon again.

I imagine that if the vet thinks it's a good idea to spay her next week she should be ok in three weeks time when the male is planned to arrive. The male comes from a family who took it from a private but cannot keep him any more because it causes allergy to his small son (it's usual with sharpei).

About my female, she is pretty small compared to normal size of sharpei... she is pretty short and her body was nearly the same (if not slightly smaller) than the 6-months old male sharpei should arrive in the family (so probably this is one of the reasons she is not regular with her heat yet... she is not that physically developed).

I have already considered the fact it will not be easy to train the new comer and I will have to spend a lot of time with him and taking him to courses. I think this is the right period though because I can walk him longer after work and I will have two weeks holidays in July. In the meantime, I can try to work some afternoon/morning from home and my husband can stay at least one full day a week at home (so it would be three days a week with us all day plus possibly one or two afternoon with me). Also, if I really see it is needed I can try to separate them in the apartment somehow so that she can be left quite (she is already very quiet) during recovery (if not recovered totally before he arrives).

For him, I can see it will be a challenge to keep him quite for 7-10 days because he is much more lively than her. Maybe I could slightly postpone his surgery to August when I will be probably able to take some time to stay at home and he will be more used to us and more trained.

What I was not really expecting and I noticed today when they met is that he would have been that big already (he is tall as she is even if he is 18 months younger) and the fact he could not stop smelling her there. I have met many other male dogs when I walk her but it never happened so heavenly (and she is not in heat!). I cannot imagine him behind her constantly smelling her... she would get crazy after a while and she was already in difficulties today.

I thought he would have been less "active" and I would have had time to keep him a bit at home, train him and neuter him without rushing. Maybe once she is spayed he will be less nagging with her even if I wait one month or so before proceeding with him. But if not, I will have to separate them and it would be all useless because the reason 1 I would like to have him is to keep her company because she needs a friend to play with.

About the mess they could create.... I really hope they will not bark (but sharpei rarely bark and not make too much noise). She is trained not to enter in the rooms but for prevention we keep all doors closed. Then the corridor is large and long and the kitchen and the balcony are at her use. There is nothing really they could break etc. as far as they are not too noisy for people downstairs.

It will take a bit of time but I am confident that I will be able to train him... my major issue at the moment it's to avoid having puppies. I would not be able to manage more than two dogs at the moment. Two it's already a lot because, as you said, she is very quite but once he arrives equilibrium will probably change and I will have to retrain her too.

Ops, about your question he is a sharpei too. As said before, I suppose he will be taller than her considering his size at 6 months. But he is also a bit thinner from what I could see.
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Moon, if it has been 6 months since her last heat, and the male is showing marked interest...

... I really would be careful. She could be coming into heat. Or perhaps even a silent season (which is only 'silent' due to lack of obvious bleeding. A female can still be fertile during a silent season.)

Have you checked her carefully - are there any signs of swelling at all? If you have any doubts, ask the vet to check her.

FYI, the estrus cycle is generally 3-4 weeks, but as with humans there can be individual variation. My girl (who could not be spayed young due to a heart condition, and the one mentioned in linked thread who nearly died of pyometra) went through 14 seasons before she was spayed at age 8. Her cycles were irregular and no two seasons were exactly alike - one lasted 6-7 weeks, a few were very short, barely 3 weeks IIRC.


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As an aside, have you found an SKN course for your newbie?

Another thought:

If it turns out that your female is in heat, you might want to discuss the option of chemical castration of the male with your vet.

CAVEAT:

While I have used this with an older dog where surgical castration was contraindicated, I have absolutely no idea if this is considered safe in a dog as young as yours, or not. Gut feeling is probably not.... but I just thought I'd mention the option. I also do not know what the hormonal lag time is with chemical castration. (In our case it was used as therapy for an enlarged prostate, not contraception.) Not to sound like a broken record , but this is a discussion for your vet.

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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Thanks a million for all your ideas. As said I will try to get an appointment with the vet tomorrow. I didn't notice anything weird in her. No swelling of any kind but I imagine my vet should be more expert on this.
Uff, I did really a big mess... I should have spayed her a lot earlier
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Moon, if there is anything I have learned in 20+ years of living with dogs and working in rescue, it is that we cannot change the past. We should learn from what went on before, we should try not to repeat our - or other people's - mistakes, but our energies are best channeled into moving forward, into dealing with the present and looking to the future.

The past is the past. The important thing is to get the ops done as soon as medically adviseable, to be aware of the possibilities, and keep a sharp look-out until that happens. I'm sure you vet can help you work out the best timing for all concerned.

Wishing you and your dogs all the best.
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6 months is early to have the dog dressed. He needs his dangly bits for essential growth hormones, so which 'health' reasons are you citing. Certainly having him done will make his life easier later on, but to early is not advisable.
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Hi Papa Goose, not sure when it is the right time since I am not a vet and I never had male before so I was not considering his age for those reasons (what I referred to as "health reasons" is the fact of prostate cancers and all the rest linked to hormonal productions etc.)
From what I could read around 6 months for a male should be ok but of course I would check with the vet and not doing it without asking for medical advices from an expert So, no worries, I am not going to do anything could harm the male or my loved one. I was just asking for advices in case anybody had experience since it is Sunday and I cannot call the vet now.
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Yes, I would guess that your girl will now be having her second heat cycle fairly quickly. I speak from experience as I took my 10mo (who was not in heat / never had a season before) around a male who was also sniffing & VERY interested - 1 week later she was in a RAGING heat cycle for 1 month. She will be getting spayed in June (half way to next heat cycle) & is not allowed to play with any full boys until after!!!
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Yes, I would guess that your girl will now be having her second heat cycle fairly quickly. I speak from experience as I took my 10mo (who was not in heat / never had a season before) around a male who was also sniffing & VERY interested - 1 week later she was in a RAGING heat cycle for 1 month. She will be getting spayed in June (half way to next heat cycle) & is not allowed to play with any full boys until after!!!
Yes, I fear this is exactly what is happening to her at this point. I have already emailed the owner of the male dog telling that I need to check this with my vet before I confirm I can take her boy at home.

If she is really going to be in heat soon he cannot be around her for sure... What a bad timing for both! She needs to give the dog asap and my girl is not in her favourite period. And the male is so beautiful. I hope she will find a good solution for him.

But let's see what my vet says.... maybe there is a little little chance, I hope.
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Re: Cost for pets to be spayed/neutered

Just an FYI, here's a good short summary of the estrus cycle:

http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+2083&aid=920

The important thing to note is that there are four phases: proestrus, estrus, diestrus, and anestrus. The most 'dangerous' period is the estrus phase, when the female is receptive and able to conceive - and (this may catch inexperienced owners off guard) is when there is usually little or no bleeding. Be aware that the timing mentioned is only general - individuals vary.

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Moon, if your girl is indeed coming into season, is there a possibility that the family can hold on to the dog for another month or so? After all, they have coped for six months already, and let's face it - good homes are hard to come by these days. If they could hang on to him until your girl is through her season, that would be the best solution.

Another option would be to look for a temporary foster - perhaps you and the current owners could work together to find someone who could take the dog for the necessary weeks? Perhaps post an ad here - maybe someone who cannot commit to a forever home might be able to help out for a month or so? Worth looking into at least.

Do speak with your vet tomorrow, ask him to evaluate your girl as to the likelihood of coming into season, ask his advice on castration and spay timing, ... and paws crossed that a good solution - for everyone - can be found.
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6 months is early to have the dog dressed. He needs his dangly bits for essential growth hormones, so which 'health' reasons are you citing. Certainly having him done will make his life easier later on, but to early is not advisable.
My friend's dog was born last June and their vet said they had to wait at least a year for him to be neutered. I have no experience with male dogs, as ours are all females and all were spayed but at different ages as they were rescues and none had been spayed by their previous owners.

Oldest dog was done at 3.5 years old, other two were done around a year old. A friend also just had her dog spayed who is over 3. If the dog is healthy and fit, the recovery should be uncomplicated. Of course every surgery has the risk of complications, but spaying is a routine procedure.

From what I recall, the first couple of days were the toughest, they are groggy from the anaesthetic, sometimes they don't want to eat, and they are just uncomfortable. You have to watch that they don't lick the sutures and in general just keep an eye on the sutures to be sure they are not infected.
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You could ask the new owners if he could stay back with them for 2-4 weeks after you castrate him. That would give you time to see if your girl will come in season or not. Then you will have a little time before you spay her (but at least the bills won't be in the same month!) They would know you were serious (pay for castration) and really what is 4 more weeks to make sure he has a great home? Hope it works. Mine is currently at my feet and I love her dearly so reading this has moved spaying to the top of the expenses list for June! Oops - just read he was 6 mos - to me that sounds early (as all others have said). Hope it works out, maybe you take your girl to the vet & he can check her & advise when it is best time for her surgery. Then you can have all the info to make a course of action.

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