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I don't see why you should have to go to all that trouble and invest money eventhough it's not your cat.

Exactly my point!! If I was the cat's owner, I would offer to help or even pay parts of it to prevent from the cat entering my home. But that's just me....


Best solution is communication anyway. So go talk to her.
I know it should be the best solution but my experience living here tells me that not everyone is willing to communicate unfortunately.... Actually it isn't right for me to say that since I don't know her so yes, I will talk to her.
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

I have two of these in my garage, they work. You could just put one on a window sill and/or move it around to wherever you want to give the kitty-cat the message.

You should be able to find them in a garden center

http://www.weitech.com/en/weitech-fo...n-protector-2/
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it IS likely to scratch your furniture unless it's a kitten
Fixed that for you!

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P.S. Mine a) scratches the furniture and b) is no kitten
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No, that's not what meloncollie said / meant.

The laws say that cats should have access to outdoors and roam OUTSIDE freely at will. You of course have the right to exclude the cat from your home.
So than who is responsible for neighbor's cat roaming freely inside my home? That is what I want to know so that I can talk to my neighbor in case she says it isn't her responsibility what her cat does outside.
(You keep chopping up quotes when you post, you maybe want to have a look that you're not deleting / backspacing over the "end quote" command)

I'm not sure what's going on here, if it is me reading things into your post or if you're really feeling this way - it is understandable to be frustrated about the cat coming in your home BUT you are coming across as hostile, and we're simply offering suggestions to help you.


This whole issue is new to me since coming here as houses in the US come standard with screens in the windows. We don't tend to care for having critters coming in uninvited and we don't care to let our critters out so easily from every window either. So, since it is new, all I can offer are things I've seen or read about since coming here.

Cat owners are strongly encouraged to allow their cats free access to outdoors, it makes for a healthier cat to have plenty of play and exercise, something they're better at doing on their own than we are at helping provide for them.
You can do things to help keep the cat OUT of your home. We have given suggestions about how to do so.

Take it or leave it, but aside from the cat's owner forcing the cat to stay indoors (not allowed when cats are accustomed to going out), there really isn't anything the owner can do to keep the cat from going into your house. Although I suppose you CAN ask her to pay part of the costs of "catproofing" your windows.
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Put some sticks in the ground in front of the window so the cat can't jump. Plant some roses around the sticks.
Our cat can open doors, drawers, fridge, and jump almost 2m high!

To keep him out of our bedroom, I had to put mesh fencing the full height and width of out balcony doors!

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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Peg, what I suggested in the post before yours works, is harmless and no need to do more than that.

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Our cat can open doors, drawers, fridge, and jump almost 2m high!

To keep him out of our bedroom, I had to put mesh fencing the full height and width of out balcony doors!

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I know it should be the best solution but my experience living here tells me that not everyone is willing to communicate unfortunately.... Actually it isn't right for me to say that since I don't know her so yes, I will talk to her.
Aie... I was born and raised here, so let me tell you not all swiss people are evil and frustrated...
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[COLOR=Black][SIZE=2]I'm not sure what's going on here, if it is me reading things into your post or if you're really feeling this way - it is understandable to be frustrated about the cat coming in your home BUT you are coming across as hostile, and we're simply offering suggestions to help you.


I didn't mean to come across as hostile, if that's what I sounded like I am sorry. I actually had to run out to get my daughter(was running late) so I had to write short and fast just to get to the point. I was a little surprise that you found my question hostile but I guess it is difficult to get across one's meaning by writing, sorry about to make you feel that way.
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Aie... I was born and raised here, so let me tell you not all swiss people are evil and frustrated...
I agree with you. That's why I wrote that It wouldn't be right for me to say that since I don't know her. I didn't mean swiss people I meant people in general specially when it comes to hearing complaints about their beloved pets.... I had good and bad experiences communicating with people living here and they are not all swiss...
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Oops - I was wrong about the cat owner bearing liability. Mea culpa.

I've just perused my copy of 'Tier Im Recht Transparent', put out by the Tier Im Recht foundation, which presents case studies to explain the myriad of laws surrounding animal ownership.

So, from Chapter 7.2.4

A cat is allowed to roam free and unsupervised because the law recognized that is the animal's nature - similar to a wild animal. A cat owner is not required to supervise the cat at all times, and therefore cannot be expected to be able to prevent damage. Other people must tolerate the 'natural' behavior of a cat.

This is in contrast to dog ownership. A dog is deemed to be trainable (unlike a cat), and a dog owner is required by law to have the dog in sight and under control at all times - therefore it is expected that a dog owner should be able to keep a dog from doing damage, and thus the dog owner is held liable.

So - because a cat owner is not expected to be able control a cat, the cost of damage done by the cat falls to the property owner. This should be covered in one's household insurance policy.

One exception: If a cat owner has been ordered by a court to keep a cat indoors, then fails to do so and the cat subsequently causes damage - then in this case the cat owner would be liable.

So to the OP - speak to your insurer, make certain that you are covered for any damage. Check that your musical instruments are covered as well - some policies require 'special' items to have a seperate rider.

Of course, the simplest route is to prevent the cat from entering. Get the Kipfensterschutz, or install window screens. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, after all.

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I recommend this 'Tier Im Recht Transparent' to all pet owners. Lots of interesting info, much of it surprising. Unfortunately, these case studies are not online.

I'll dig a bit deeper later, see what else I can find.
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Thank you everyone for great advices! I decided I will talk to neighbor to let her know and will looking into the device that J_T has recommended. Fingers crossed! I love animals nothing against them but my major concern was really our instruments at home being damaged or jumped on by a cat. Thank you so much again for all your suggestions.

I am a newbie and I find this forum fantastic!!! My first time in writing so extensively in forums I hope I have not offended others and if I did, I didn't mean to. I will work on my writing skill! I will update you all after I talked to my neighbor and definitely after trying that device!
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[QUOTE=meloncollie;1365999]Oops - I was wrong about the cat owner bearing liability. Mea culpa.

I've just perused my copy of 'Tier Im Recht Transparent', put out by the Tier Im Recht foundation, which presents case studies to explain the myriad of laws surrounding animal ownership.

So, from Chapter 7.2.4

A cat is allowed to roam free and unsupervised because the law recognized that is the animal's nature - similar to a wild animal. A cat owner is not required to supervise the cat at all times, and therefore cannot be expected to be able to prevent damage. Other people must tolerate the 'natural' behavior of a cat.

This is in contrast to dog ownership. A dog is deemed to be trainable (unlike a cat), and a dog owner is required by law to have the dog in sight and under control at all times - therefore it is expected that a dog owner should be able to keep a dog from doing damage, and thus the dog owner is held liable.

So - because a cat owner is not expected to be able control a cat, the cost of damage done by the cat falls to the property owner. This should be covered in one's household insurance policy.

One exception: If a cat owner has been ordered by a court to keep a cat indoors, then fails to do so and the cat subsequently causes damage - then in this case the cat owner would be liable.

So to the OP - speak to your insurer, make certain that you are covered for any damage. Check that your musical instruments are covered as well - some policies require 'special' items to have a seperate rider.

Of course, the simplest route is to prevent the cat from entering. Get the Kipfensterschutz, or install window screens. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, after all.

Thank you so much for the information!!! I really appreciate it. very helpful to know!!!
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Fixed that for you!

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P.S. Mine a) scratches the furniture and b) is no kitten

Same here

And its not a cat either!
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Whatever you do, don't corner the cat and hit it with a rolled up newspaper.

This is what a neighbour of ours did to our cat and he jumped on her head and badly scratched her face and head. She came charging up to us like a bat out of hell face covered in little plasters and DEMANDED that we paid her doctor's bill for the plasters and tetanus injection.

Now this neighbour was never my favourite person anyway and after being confronted in such an aggressive manner we refused to take over her expenses. Hence we've never spoken to each other for at least 15 years. (Was really quite proud of our cat after that incident).
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Ok, so I am working this same problem but from the other direction! I have two cats and recently moved into a new bigger apartment NOT on the ground floor. There is a ledge (maybe 6") following the entire building. Just after moving in we realized the cats have access to EVERY apartment that is on our floor. In addition they also have access to a very large grassy rooftop. Thus, we would prefer them be able to get outside some!

Our neighbor started coming over and complaining that our cats could get into his apartment. He was nice at first-he didn't mind, but his wife is allergic. Over about the next 6 weeks it happened more times and now he is so ANGRY and threatening to go to hospital/make us pay. I have done everything I can think of to prevent this! (After the initial visit I put out water on the ledge, a blockade that was about 3feet high-they jump over everthing! One cat even fell off of our floor onto the floor below-YOW!) They can get past every barrier that I have tried! Our windows do not tilt. Basically the only way to prevent them from leaving is to keep the windows closed all the time. It won't be so bad this winter but it will be a problem again come spring! (I also try to lock them in one room while we open all the windows in the house but I have a two-year old who goes where he wants! Because of the specifics of the building (and when I moved in I had NO IDEA they would even be able to do that...) is it now my responsibility?

I am happy to work together to a solution. But what? There is a bit of a language problem and I don't think this man wants to think of a solution that will work for all of us.

I am really unhappy with the windows closed...Thoughts?
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Try the same device I recommended to Livinginswiss. It is triggered by a motion sensor, so when the cat approaches it sets off a very high tone that cats hate and also a flash, which they also hate, The tone frequency can be adjusted and the flash turn on or off. The thing is battery powered, so you can just set it on the ledge facing in your direction in the cat's path and see what happens.
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Put netting on the window. Should keep them in even if the windows are open
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Re: problem with neighbor cat

Johanna,

Can you install window screens (not just the Kipfensterschutz grills)? These can be bought as a DIY kit from Coop, Hornbach, etc, and are not very expensive. You could also have custom screens made; these are expensive - but in addition to protecting your cat, either option is well worth the money to spend a summer without bugs.

You could also be a good neighbor, buy the sound device that JT recomments, and give it to the folks who are complaining about the cat visiting. If they had the device in their house your cat would probably learn to keep away from them. This would go a long way to show that you are trying to find solutions, to smooth ruffled feathers. A good investment in neighborhood harmony.

The wife's allergy means that your cat presents a danger to the neighbors - if the wife were to become ill they just might consider taking you to court to force you to keep your cat in. (Remember, just about everyone has legal insurance here, and many are not shy about using it.) You want to do all you can to avoid that. (Or worse, taking matters into their own hands... such things happen here.)

So no matter what the law says about liability, morality says that if your cat is causing a serious health problem to another person you should offer to pay for whatever is needed to keep him away from the allergic neighbor's flat.

Good luck - hope you find a solution that works for everyone, kitties especially.

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Fixed that for you!

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P.S. Mine a) scratches the furniture and b) is no kitten
Then you probabely have a lack of cat trees
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