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Re: Dog Behavior Problem

One of our dogs is afraid of just about every other dog(with the exception of our other two). She is a rescue and there is a great deal about her past that we don't know. In the 7 years since she came to live with us, when she was 4, there are only 3 dogs she never reacts to:

1. The farmer's dog near our home who is always off leash, it has reached the point where she doesn't even take notice of him even if he walks right in front of us.

2. The very old Bernese who belonged to my neighbour, who passed away last XMAS. He was always off leash and for some odd reason she was never afraid of him

3. The old terrier who continues to escape from his garden and follows us on our walk.

The only solution is to distract her (with treats) when she sees other dogs and pass as quickly as possible. Our dogs are always on leads (not the retractable type) so there is not a lot of distance between us and the dog.

Children and people are not a problem for her, or for any of our dogs. They insist on greeting all visitors to our home. We ask everyone who comes to our home for the first time if they are afraid of dogs and if so, we put up a barrier. We used to have indoor crates and we would place the dogs in our crates before they were properly trained on how to treat visitors.

So you might want to place your dog in a room in your home and put up a barrier so he feels safe when you have visitors.
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Thats what we did. Bella barks at people when they first come in the house. She now has a den under the stairs so that when people come she's in here den. When she's calm we let her out and everyone is friends.

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have you done your SKN with this dog yet?
What's SKN?
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What's SKN?
Try here: http://www.bvet.admin.ch/aktuell/016...e&msg-id=32868

SKN is federally mandated training for dog owners. I want to say that people who have owned dogs before were not "required" to take the classes - both theory and actual behavior / obedience - but still, it is a good idea to take them anyhow as it helps you know what Swiss authorities expect of you and your dog(s).

I believe the dog theory classes only need to be taken once, and should be taken before acquiring a dog. The obedience / behavior classes should be taken for each individual dog within a year after getting your new love.
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Try here: http://www.bvet.admin.ch/aktuell/016...e&msg-id=32868

SKN is federally mandated training for dog owners. I want to say that people who have owned dogs before were not "required" to take the classes - both theory and actual behavior / obedience - but still, it is a good idea to take them anyhow as it helps you know what Swiss authorities expect of you and your dog(s).

I believe the dog theory classes only need to be taken once, and should be taken before acquiring a dog. The obedience / behavior classes should be taken for each individual dog within a year after getting your new love.
I have a question re: this. Do you get called up by someone or do they entrust that you will go?

We have two dogs, 10 yr old and 18 month old registered with Anis and our Germinde but not sure if we need to go? Both dogs came from the UK.
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Old 14.10.2011, 11:18
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I have a question re: this. Do you get called up by someone or do they entrust that you will go?

We have two dogs, 10 yr old and 18 month old registered with Anis and our Germinde but not sure if we need to go? Both dogs came from the UK.
I'm sorry, I don't know for sure - as you brought them from UK, you probably aren't "required" to take them, and so also, even if others who get new dogs here ARE called up, I doubt you would be called.

Hopefully someone with definite knowledge will answer.


Also though, as before, I think the behavior training would still be a good idea, even if you don't feel you "need" it, as it will help you see first hand what is expected of dogs and their families here in Switzerland. (Through class interaction with other dogs and owners though too, it will likely help introduce you to others with whom you and your dogs get along well and make an easy source for potential doggy play-dates to help keep poochie socialized.)

Oh, and ps... on an offtopic and personal note, thank you thank you for NOT having that tapatalk thingie on this most recent post.
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Re: Dog Behavior Problem

I'm not going to touch on the SKN rules because I'm far from an expert but I believe your 18-month-old should complete the training. I just completed the course with my 13-month-old dog. It's really not a hardship at all...a great way to bond and communication with your pooch while getting a feel for the basics.

I think the 'meet and greet' playdate with another Dane could be a good idea but, as MellonCollie has said, you really need to make sure you're on the same page as the other dog guardian. It might be a good idea for you to go spend some time with this woman and her dog (without your dog) and then have her do the same with your boy, just so that both dogs are very comfortable with both humans and, more importantly, so that you can decide if the dogs' are likely to be compatible (based on their energy, obedience, etc.) Another thought would be to have your trainer coordinate and supervise the interaction in a safe (and neutral) place. I've done quite a few supervised playdates with my girl and they work very well because there is an expert on hand to direct the interaction, act as a translator (interpreting what's going on) and even intervene if necessary. Best of luck.

[P.S. Your boy is so cute! Thanks for posting these great pics.]
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I'm sorry, I don't know for sure - as you brought them from UK, you probably aren't "required" to take them, and so also, even if others who get new dogs here ARE called up, I doubt you would be called.

Hopefully someone with definite knowledge will answer.


Also though, as before, I think the behavior training would still be a good idea, even if you don't feel you "need" it, as it will help you see first hand what is expected of dogs and their families here in Switzerland. (Through class interaction with other dogs and owners though too, it will likely help introduce you to others with whom you and your dogs get along well and make an easy source for potential doggy play-dates to help keep poochie socialized.)

Oh, and ps... on an offtopic and personal note, thank you thank you for NOT having that tapatalk thingie on this most recent post.


Sorry just checked out the local dog trainers...HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR PRICES!! We had weekly classes in the UK from the age of 3 months at a cost of £4 a week......

P.S what is wrong with the Tap Tap thing.....lol?
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[P.S. Your boy is so cute! Thanks for posting these great pics.]
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I am sorry to hear for your problem.

You need an expert as the Dog Whisperer - Cesar Millan. You can also watch his show, a lot can be learned from it.
Second to motion, you have an absolute classic case.

A lot, however has to do with you and learning how to be your Dane's Alpha leader, which influences other dogs too. It's not too difficult, once it clicks with you.
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Sorry just checked out the local dog trainers...HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR PRICES!! We had weekly classes in the UK from the age of 3 months at a cost of £4 a week......

P.S what is wrong with the Tap Tap thing.....lol?
Yep, have seen them, made me choke at first too... but it's all a bit relative, eh? My hubby makes much more here for his job than he'd make elsewhere, I would too (about 3x actually) so why shouldn't other in-demand jobs pay nicely as well? It's not only the expats on their fancy salaries who have to pay local prices for local goods and services after all.


The tap thing is annoying because it is an advertisement...
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Yep, have seen them, made me choke at first too... but it's all a bit relative, eh? My hubby makes much more here for his job than he'd make elsewhere, I would too (about 3x actually) so why shouldn't other in-demand jobs pay nicely as well? It's not only the expats on their fancy salaries who have to pay local prices for local goods and services after all.


The tap thing is annoying because it is an advertisement...
Fair enough...tbh I didn't notice it until I looked back over my other posts.

Hmmm yes better speak to OH very nicely to convince him its worth it. He's not a big trainer lol
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Re: Dog Behavior Problem

Here is a handy 'Frequently Asked Questions' on the SKN, from the Bvet:

http://www.bvet.admin.ch/tsp/02222/index.html?lang=de

Click on the .pdf: 'Haufige Fragen zur den Kurse für Hundehalter und zur Hundetrainerausbildung'

Anyone living in Switzerland who acquired a dog after 1 Sept 2008 must take at a minimum the SKN practical course - first time owners must also take the theory.

Of particular interest to many of us:

Muss ein Hundehalter, der früher im Ausland bereits einen Hund gehalten hat und sich nun in der Schweiz erstmals einen Hund anschafft, den theoretischen SKN absolvieren?

Wer nachweisen kann, dass er schon einmal vor dem 1.09.2008 Hundehalter war, muss nur den prak- tischen Kurs absolvieren. In welcher Form aus dem Ausland zuziehende Personen diesen Nachweis führen können, ist nicht geregelt. Die betreffende Person muss sich an das kantonale Veterinäramt wenden, um zu erfahren, was dort als Nachweis akzeptiert wird (z.B. Bestätigung der früheren Wohn- gemeinde).



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Must an owner, who while living abroad had already had a dog, and then acquires a dog in Switzerland for the first time, take the SKN theory course?

If one can prove that one has already owned a dog before 1.Sept 2008, one must only take the SKN practical course. What constitutes proof is not defined. One must contact the cantonal veterinary office to determine if the proof will be accepted.

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My personal opinion: Clarify what your are required to do with the cantonal veterinary office. But if you are new to Switzerland, it would be wise to err on the side of caution and take the course - it's not just sit, down, stay. As PegA mentions, if's more about what is expected of you in Switzerland - which can be very, very different to expectations in your home country.

The SKN is only 4-6 lessons (depending on how the trainer structures the material) and doesn't cost much (for Switzerland ), ca CHF 120-160. Time and money well spent.

But the SKN only scratches the surface; I would urge all dog owners to go on to further training.



FYI: In case of an accident, or a nasty neighbor... if it is later determined that your dog has not done the SKN when required to, things could get ugly. Don't put your dog at risk; find out exactly what you are required to do based on your ownership status, and do it.

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Oh, and be aware that the SKN is a federal requirement. Dog control is largely the competency of the cantons, so you also need to check the cantonal regs where you live. For instance, ZH has requriements that go beyond the SKN.
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Thank you! She looks a bit different these days. Here's a recent pic of Winnifred (taken when she was 12.5 months old) and one of my first canine kid, a Dane by the name of Grizelda.
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Thank you! She looks a bit different these days. Here's a recent pic of Winnifred (taken when she was 12.5 months old) and one of my first canine kid, a Dane by the name of Grizelda.
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Sorry just checked out the local dog trainers...HAVE YOU SEEN THEIR PRICES!! We had weekly classes in the UK from the age of 3 months at a cost of £4 a week......

P.S what is wrong with the Tap Tap thing.....lol?
At the risk of censure... You've been Sw**********d.

Seriously, though - I look training costs as the price of my hobby. I like dogs, they are my hobby. So I need to invest in their care and maintenance - just like I would in any other hobby.

And my dogs cost less than a my husband's tool-encrusted man cave, or his wine cellar, or the midlife crisis sports car he craves...


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Some Hundeschule offer training abos, a yearly subscription to their training classes. These often mean that you end up spending far less when you attend classes regularly.

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Also though, as before, I think the behavior training would still be a good idea, even if you don't feel you "need" it, as it will help you see first hand what is expected of dogs and their families here in Switzerland. (Through class interaction with other dogs and owners though too, it will likely help introduce you to others with whom you and your dogs get along well and make an easy source for potential doggy play-dates to help keep poochie socialized.)
I went to a dog school with him once when he was around a year old and he didn't obbey at all, he saw all these dogs and just wanted to play...created quite a huzzle there..the trainer knew nothing about Great Danes and told me I needed a special trainer, he couldn't help. I thought that was rather disappointing.
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