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Re: Is there a law to keep your dog on leash (ZH canton) ?

The replies you've had so far cover the law: your dog must be in sight and under control at all times.

From Tier Im Recht summary for Kt ZH:

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Eine generelle Leinenpflicht für alle Hunde gilt in öffentlich zugänglichen Gebäuden, an verkehrsreichen Strassen, in öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln, an Bahnhöfen und Haltestellen, an von den zuständigen Behörden entsprechend signalisierten Orten sowie wenn ein Hund läufig oder bissig ist, an einer ansteckenden Krankheit leidet oder wenn es die Behörde im Einzelfall anordnet (§ 11 HuG).

Im frei zugänglichen Raum dürfen Hunde nicht unbeaufsichtigt herum laufen. An gewissen Orten (Friedhöfe, Badeanstalten, Pausenplätze etc.) herrscht ein generelles Hundeverbot. Bei Dunkelheit im Freien müssen Hunde innerhalb Sichtweite auf kurzer Distanz gehalten werden (§ 9 HuG).

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A general requirement to keep dogs on lead exists for buildings accessible to the public, on heavily trafficked streets, on public transportation, at train stations and bus/tram stops, and anywhere the competent authorities so sign. Dogs in estrus, dogs with a tendency to bite, and dogs with infectious diseases, and any dog so ordered by the authorities must be on lead.

In open areas dogs may not run off lead unsupervised. Dogs are forbidden from certain areas (cemeteries, swimming areas, play/rest areas, etc). When it is dark, dogs in open areas must be kept in sight, at a short distance from the owner.
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Outside of the areas mentioned, the law specifies control - which could be on lead, or under voice control. It's up to you to determine which is appropriate for your dog. But do be sensitive to others - if someone is complaining, ask yourself if your dog is really behaving as if under your control. And be aware that the Swiss standard for control is somewhat higher than many of us are used to in our home countries.

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And as others have mentioned forests are a special case: in spring (to protect the young animals) and during hunting season (to protect your dog) dogs should be on lead or kept to heel at your side. On lead is of course safer. Many forest areas are specifically signed on-lead, or you'll find local regs stipulating leash requirements. A dog owner is expected to know local regs wherever he walks.

Every year dogs are shot during hunting season. And every year one reads newspaper stories with almost the same quote from the distraught owner: 'But he was only a few meters in front of me." "But he has never gone after game before." It only takes a rustle of leaves, a split second's inattention...

Please - during hunting season keep your dog on lead or to heel the entire time in the forest. And - please consider a high visibility vest for your dog.

If you want off-lead exercise where your dog can run ahead or play - the forest during hunting season (or spring) is not the place.

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And as other's have mentioned, there is also the etiquette of encounters with other dogs/owners. The polite, expected thing is:

When you see another dog on lead you keep well away. Do not let your dog approach the on-lead dog, leave as much distance between as possible/practical. If your dog is anything less that 100% reliable in such situations, re-leash. If your dog is absolutely rock solid you don't necessarily have to re-leash but you should recall your dog to your side, keep him at heel as you pass by.

And any time another owner asks you to keep away, please comply. There are many legitimate reasons why an owner would wish to avoid contact - for his sake, for yours, and for the dogs' - please do as asked. As above, releash or recall, leave enough room to avoid contact. It only takes a few seconds, as any dog off lead should be well trained and instantly recallable. (And a dog who is not instantly recallable should not be off lead in public in the first place. )

The same applies to contact with humans of course. Always be polite, always ensure that your dog does not come into contact with a person without that person's express permission. When someone appears on the path, recall your dog to you, keeping him under control at your side or re-leash. (It's good PR to step off the path, put your dogs into a sit, and wish the person a nice day. Nothing takes the wind out of the sails of the anti-dog brigade like the sight of a well trained, well behaved doglet doing his master's bidding.)

And a general comment to all dog owners: if you find yourself uttering the words "Er macht nichts! He only wants to play!" please proceed forthwith to your Einwohnerkontroll office and turn in your residency permit. Seriously - this attitude is what is responsible for the rising anti-dog atmosphere.

Bottom line - we all have the right to enjoy the open spaces - but the duty to respect other's right to similar enjoyment comes along with that.

Wishing you and your doglet happy trails.

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Old 05.11.2011, 23:13
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Wishing you and your doglet happy trails.

Thank you very much for your post. You confirm what I thought.

I will definitely stop going in the forrest until the end of hunting season. I had no idea and this is my fault, I should have think of it.

I am sad because I am really considered as the bad one here, and I wish you were there to see that I am not. I do exactly all you said about behaving with others people, dog owners or not. And I always fellow the rules.
But seriously, my dog was at my feet and we were in the middle of the road to let that man enough space with his dogs. My dog didn't even look his !

I just can't stand being talked like that. Whether he thinks it is legitimate or not, you don't yell at people like they are sh**. No one should talk to anyone like that. Leash or not.
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Re: Is there a law to keep your dog on leash (ZH canton) ?

Amande, perhaps he was indeed a nutter.

All we dog owners need to do is to ensure that we understand and follow the law, adhere to polite canine etiquette, and respect others at all times. As long as we do so, we can enjoy our walks with a clear conscience.

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Old 05.11.2011, 23:28
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Amande, perhaps he was indeed a nutter.

All we dog owners need to do is to ensure that we understand and follow the law, adhere to polite canine etiquette, and respect others at all times. As long as we do so, we can enjoy our walks with a clear conscience.

You are right. I am too sensitive. When somebody is mad at me, I always assume it is my fault, no matter what. I have to learn to be more confident instead of running to my computer and try to be comfort (or not actually !) by EF dog owners.

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I just can't stand being talked like that. Whether he thinks it is legitimate or not, you don't yell at people like they are sh**. No one should talk to anyone like that. Leash or not.
You are right, he didn't need to shout, but maybe as his dogs were barking he wanted to be heard. I don't know. Maybe he had a bad experience with a dog off leash once and he was frightened.

Us dog owners take a lot of abuse. Almost every newsletter published by our Gemeinde talks about failing to pick up after your dog. Who are the guilty persons? Not us, and not anyone I see walking a dog. It has gotten to the point where most people openly display the robi dog bags (they are orange now!) just to prove they pick up.

The farmer's dog on my street is not on a leash, nor is the property fenced, at least not to keep in a dog. If he wanders down my street and poos, the farmer doesn't go pick it up. It makes the rest of us dog owner who are responsible appear irresponsible. There are no dogs walked off leash on our street.

One day we saw a woman on her horse, with her dog walking along side her. The dog did a poo, the woman just continued on. So we slowed and asked her if she noticed her what her dog had done and she replied yes.

We have a fenced garden, so our dogs can play freely, but if your dog needs a place to run and play, there are places to go to, such as this one.

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You are right, he didn't need to shout, but maybe as his dogs were barking he wanted to be heard. I don't know. Maybe he had a bad experience with a dog off leash once and he was frightened.
Actually we passed by from 1 or 2 steps when he started yelling, his dogs almost weren't barking anymore.

Anyway, I konw what we did, and we did nothing wrong (i am practising with my new confidence).

You are right, no matter what, we are responsible for every dog owners who decide not to follow the rules. But I guess it is the same everywhere, I had this feeling in France too....

But my mind is clear (confidence 1- Old me 0 ).
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I always assume it is my fault
But if you had your dogs off the lead where they shouldn't have been because you were ignorant of the rules then it is your fault. The old duffer was within his rights to inform you of the facts, although from your story his manner seem a little unwarranted.

You had lay persons advice telling how to avoid the wrath of the locals which you didn't seem to think should apply to you, and a more detailed one from MC, so now you know rules sticking to them should see you duffer free.
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But if you had your dogs off the lead where they shouldn't have been because you were ignorant of the rules then it is your fault. The old duffer was within his rights to inform you of the facts, although from your story his manner seem a little unwarranted.

You had lay persons advice telling how to avoid the wrath of the locals which you didn't seem to think should apply to you, and a more detailed one from MC, so now you know rules sticking to them should see you duffer free.
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Amande, perhaps he was indeed a nutter.

Or, perhaps, he's had too many bad experiences with other people's pets who were supposedly 'under control'.

Discalimer: I've had many dogs over the years, so I'm not some 'dog hater'.
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My god you are helpless.
And have yet to have someone ball me out in the street because I thought the rules which many dog owners try to follow don't apply to me. We dog owners get enough bad press as it is thanks to an ignorant minority, and many of us go to great lengths to ensure we keep our pooches on the right side of the rules.

Now you know the score it shouldn't happen again should it.... Or maybe it will as inspite of all the advice of the last 2 pages you still feel you did nothing wrong!

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And have yet to have someone ball me out in the street because I thought the rules which many dog owners try to follow don't apply to me. We dog owners get enough bad press as it is thanks to an ignorant minority, and many of us go to great lengths to ensure we keep our pooches on the right side of the rules.

No you know the score it shouldn't happen again should it.... Or maybe it will as inspite of all the advice of the last 2 pages you still feel you did nothing wrong!
Did you even bother reading those two pages ?

Nevermind, I have already giving up on you.
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Or, perhaps, he's had too many bad experiences with other people's pets who were supposedly 'under control'.

Discalimer: I've had many dogs over the years, so I'm not some 'dog hater'.
I can understand that. He just had to tell us.

But again, no one should talk to anyone like that. For any reason.
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Anyway, I konw what we did, and we did nothing wrong (i am practising with my new confidence).
Confidence? - NO. Pigheaded, yes.

It is polite, actually, the done thing to leash your dog when you see another dog. That is what you SHOULD have done.

I was a victim of an accident due to an off leash dog so you can't tell me that a dog off leash can be 100% predictable around other dogs.

I seriously hope you don't live anywhere near me. After 3 operations and the ability to walk again the last thing I need is another encounter with an off leash dog.
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Confidence? - NO. Pigheaded, yes.

It is polite, actually, the done thing to leash your dog when you see another dog. That is what you SHOULD have done.

I was a victim of an accident due to an off leash dog so you can't tell me that a dog off leash can be 100% predictable around other dogs.

I seriously hope you don't live anywhere near me. After 3 operations and the ability to walk again the last thing I need is another encounter with an off leash dog.
Arf... I just wanted to relax the atmosphere.... Note for myself : Don't try to be nice.

What I should have done is keep her under control, and guess what, that is what I did. And when I mean under control, it is walking at my feet, as if she was with her leash. I explained that already.

I am sorry you had an accident, really. I understand a little bit better your fear and that you don't trust any dog, even when they look under control. And I completely understand that.

I have my dog for almost 7 years and I have always lived in cities so she has been in contact with lot of dogs and situations and I know how she reacts. When I have the smallest doubt, I leash her immediately. For example, I know she is afraid of bigger dogs, so when I see one, I put her on leash. I know that when a dog notices her and looks at her with his/her tail up in the air, she will be scared, so I leash her. And so on.

In that exact situation, I knew exactly how she would react, and she reacted exactly as I expected. You may have the feeling that she is off leash all the time but she is not. In very specific occasion, when I feel there is not danger, she is off leash but not off control.

I just wanted to know what was the rules, to be sure I did transgress anything and now I do know. And no, I didn't transgress anything.

I won't try to convince either you or Papa Goose that you are right or wrong, you don't know either my dog or I. I don't even think anyone is right or wrong, it is not the point. There is a rule, keep under control. Final dot.

In certain situation, I can have her under control without a leash, that's all.

Don't worry, I don't live near you. And if we would ever have been on the same path, I would have had my dog either at my feet or on leash. And if it wasn't enough for you, you would have asked me to put her on leash, with courtesy, and I would immediately have.

You are turning this thread in a trial against me, because you assume I am a bad dog owner. Meet me first before judging

I wish you a very good end of recovery.
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Re: Is there a law to keep your dog on leash (ZH canton) ?

Ok, let's go for hyperbole, just to make you see why there is no use in YOU knowing your dog is fine when another owner approaches:
If, say, you were single, and ended up in bed with a guy, you'd probably really insist on him wearing a condom, since you have no idea what his health status is. He might then tell you that he is in perfect health, heck, he's even had a vasectomy, so you can't even get pregnant! Do you think he's an idiot or do you just accept his approach and trust what he says, since there is no explicit law requiring two people who barely know each other to use a condom during sex, only the very strong recommendation from various health organisations?

I realise it's a bit extreme but you have to realise that pretty much every owner thinks their dog it the best dog in the world and without fault. And yet, I've been in too many parks (where there is "Leinenpflicht", btw) where dogs off leashes run around like lunatics, sometimes chasing joggers like myself. A lot of dog owners should have their animals taken away as they give all the sensible ones a bad name and make life hard for them. Your dog is an animal, one with the intelligence of a toddler if you're lucky but usually rather less. Unless he's a "working dog" like those owned by the police or blind people, it is never 100% safe to let them off a leash. One of my friends' dog thoroughly ruined an evening for us all because the were unexpected firecrackers about 100m away and she ran off at full pelt in the middle of Zurich. She actually managed to get on to a train and it was only thanks to a very kind person who looked at her dog tag and phoned my friend on her mobile that we found her again, about five kilometres away from where we were. She too is "the best dog ever, you can do everything with her, she's so well-behaved".
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Ok, let's go for hyperbole, just to make you see why there is no use in YOU knowing your dog is fine when another owner approaches:
If, say, you were single, and ended up in bed with a guy, you'd probably really insist on him wearing a condom, since you have no idea what his health status is. He might then tell you that he is in perfect health, heck, he's even had a vasectomy, so you can't even get pregnant! Do you think he's an idiot or do you just accept his approach and trust what he says, since there is no explicit law requiring two people who barely know each other to use a condom during sex, only the very strong recommendation from various health organisations?

I realise it's a bit extreme but you have to realise that pretty much every owner thinks their dog it the best dog in the world and without fault. And yet, I've been in too many parks (where there is "Leinenpflicht", btw) where dogs off leashes run around like lunatics, sometimes chasing joggers like myself. A lot of dog owners should have their animals taken away as they give all the sensible ones a bad name and make life hard for them. Your dog is an animal, one with the intelligence of a toddler if you're lucky but usually rather less. Unless he's a "working dog" like those owned by the police or blind people, it is never 100% safe to let them off a leash. One of my friends' dog thoroughly ruined an evening for us all because the were unexpected firecrackers about 100m away and she ran off at full pelt in the middle of Zurich. She actually managed to get on to a train and it was only thanks to a very kind person who looked at her dog tag and phoned my friend on her mobile that we found her again, about five kilometres away from where we were. She too is "the best dog ever, you can do everything with her, she's so well-behaved".
Yes very extreme.

I am dismayed by reactions here. So all dogs can't behave of leashes, all cats are independant and self centered, and so on with the cliché ?

Very good lesson today anyway. Either in the street or on EF.
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Yes very extreme.

I am dismayed by reactions here. So all dogs can't behave of leashes, all cats are independant and self centered, and so on with the cliché ?

Very good lesson today anyway. Either in the street or on EF.
I don't get it........just keep your dog on a lead like everyone else on the streets. I get it when you say you have him down by your feet. The issue is the person coming your way does not know if your dog will come running or not.

I know my dog wont but I make a massive point about putting her lead back on. It just the way things are here and anywhere I've lived.
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And, note to the OP. If your dog is off the lead in a clearly marked children's play area and it snaps at the kids playing there, then expect to be reported to the police and expect the parents to press all charges.

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In open areas dogs may not run off lead unsupervised. Dogs are forbidden from certain areas (cemeteries, swimming areas, play/rest areas, etc). When it is dark, dogs in open areas must be kept in sight, at a short distance from the owner.
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I have a dog that can be fear reactive and has a prey drive. Over the years we've seen huge improvements with her...yesterday we saw another dog and she looked at me for a treat. this is exactly the behavior we want. But she is never off leash in an open environment.

But, a couple of weeks ago my husband was walking her and an off leash strange dog came up to her followed by its owner. The strange dog was not under voice control. Our dog was fine, but she can be unpredictable. My husband asked the owner several times to take control of the dog and finally he yelled at the guy which made my husband feel terrible. But if that dog came too close to my pup, and she felt the need to protect herself it would be our dog's fault.

Maybe the old guy was indeed a nut, or maybe he's had an experience with an unleashed dog that came to a bad end one too many times. He doesn't know you and he doesn't know your dog. If I passed you in the street with my dog and I didn't know you, I would either try to move as far away as possible or ask you to leash your dog.

Anyway, sometimes people are frightened and not on their best behavior. Sometimes they just protect their dogs.
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Re: Is there a law to keep your dog on leash (ZH canton) ?

Dear OP:

If it makes you feel better, I've been yelled at to let my dog OFF of the leash. But since I can't control my 3 year old when he's OFF of the leash, I don't do it.

So.... just chalk it up to another day in Switzerland and enjoy your family time with your dog.
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