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Balding dog....HELP!

Calling fellow dog owners....my youngest lab of 18 months has balding patches around her neck where her collar is and on her chest. She also seems to have very thin ahir on her legs. I can see her skin clearly

There is no reddness but I have noticed she scratches everynow and again but no more than usual. She has recently moulted EVERYWHERE.

I have now taken her collar off her in doors hoping her hair will grow back.

Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't gone to the vets in case I am just being overly fussy.
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Calling fellow dog owners....my youngest lab of 18 months has balding patches around her neck where her collar is and on her chest. She also seems to have very thin ahir on her legs. I can see her skin clearly

There is no reddness but I have noticed she scratches everynow and again but no more than usual. She has recently moulted EVERYWHERE.

I have now taken her collar off her in doors hoping her hair will grow back.

Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't gone to the vets in case I am just being overly fussy.
is she kept outdoors? (parasites, allergies)
changes to her diet? (poor quality, allergies)
new medication? (reactivity, allergies)
hanging with the wrong crowd at school? (drugs, allergies)

Hope she feels better soon and that beautiful coat grows back!
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hanging with the wrong crowd at school? (drugs, allergies)


Seriously speaking it sounds pretty much like parasites or allergic reaction. I'd go see the vet asap.
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is she kept outdoors? (parasites, allergies)
changes to her diet? (poor quality, allergies)
new medication? (reactivity, allergies)
hanging with the wrong crowd at school? (drugs, allergies)

Hope she feels better soon and that beautiful coat grows back!
Not kept outside

Fed Science Plan Natures Best as I had issues with her flaky skin on Science Plan normal diet but that was changed months ago

No medication or drugs

Could be 'friends' but hey ho off to the vet I go.........*moths flying out of my purse*
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Re: Balding dog....HELP!

There are many reason for hair loss in a dog - you need to see the vet.

To give you an idea of the range of conditions where this could be a symptom, my baldies have ultimately been diagnosed with:

Hypothyroid
Cushings disease
Adult-onset Demodicosis
Hyperestrogenism caused by testicular cancer
And my 'bad hair day' mutt who has awful fur - but every test comes back negative. We suspect some kind of auto-immune thing going on - but it could also be his diet. He has IBD and can only eat a limited range of things - he might not be getting all the oils needed for a good coat.

Very different diseases - only the vet can tell you what is going on. Could be something very simple like diet, thyroid problems or allergy, could be something else. Often diagnosis is a process of testing for the most likely condition, and then one by one ruling out the negatives. It can be a frustrating and lengthy process.

FYI, here is a good chart showing many of the possiblilties:

http://www.peteducation.com/article....2+2111&aid=421

See the vet!

All the best to you and your doglet.
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Cushings disease
Uff I hope not. That's a nightmare to treat.
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Hypothyroid
Cushings disease
Adult-onset Demodicosis
Hyperestrogenism caused by testicular cancer
And my 'bad hair day' mutt who has awful fur - but every test on comes back negative. We suspect some kind of auto-immune thing going on.
I call it "The mange"



Take your mutt to the vet.

The vet will squeeze his skin pores and take a sample.

Under a microscope you will probably see little mites.

A strong dose of 'fipronil' will probably do the trick, but let the vet decide that.


The hair eventually springs back.
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I call it "The mange"



Take your mutt to the vet.

The vet will squeeze his skin pores and take a sample.

Under a microscope you will probably see little mites.

A strong dose of 'fipronil' will probably do the trick, but let the vet decide that.


The hair eventually springs back.
Ok.......I have a zoo here so if one dog has mites can the other dog and cats get it???
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There is nothing wrong with being naturally bald. Besides toupees look awkward on dogs.
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Ok.......I have a zoo here so if one dog has mites can the other dog and cats get it???
Depends on the type of mange - for instance, mine with demodetic mange was not infectious; this is caused by a compromised auto-immune system - normal dogs's immune systems keep the mites at bay.

Sarcoptic mange, however, is indeed infectious.

A skin sample will determine what type of mange a dog has. Again - see the vet!
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Ok.......I have a zoo here so if one dog has mites can the other dog and cats get it???
Depends on the species and how closely quartered they are, but likely the answer is yes.

If possible, start separating your zoo, like a mini-quarantine. Wash all bedding in hot water. Clean crates/kennels with 10% bleach/90% water. That will be a good start. Don't be surprised if the vet gives you a miticide and tells you to repeat.

It may seem overreactive but, if there is any parasite infestation, that will be the general approach to try first to clean it out before getting overly aggressive, combined with any topical/systemic treatments for your pets.
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Depends on the species and how closely quartered they are, but likely the answer is yes.

If possible, start separating your zoo, like a mini-quarantine. Wash all bedding in hot water. Clean crates/kennels with 10% bleach/90% water. That will be a good start. Don't be surprised if the vet gives you a miticide and tells you to repeat.

It may seem overreactive but, if there is any parasite infestation, that will be the general approach to try first to clean it out before getting overly aggressive, combined with any topical/systemic treatments for your pets.
Very good ideas. Wash at least at 60 degrees, that kills most parasites. Things you can't wash at 60 either throw out or use sagrotan or maybe even mosquito lice treatment, they have a washing detergent too (pharmacy).
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Calling fellow dog owners....my youngest lab of 18 months has balding patches around her neck where her collar is and on her chest. She also seems to have very thin ahir on her legs. I can see her skin clearly

There is no reddness but I have noticed she scratches everynow and again but no more than usual. She has recently moulted EVERYWHERE.

I have now taken her collar off her in doors hoping her hair will grow back.

Has anyone else experienced this? I haven't gone to the vets in case I am just being overly fussy.
Dont be fussy about this one - its not normal for dogs to moult till you can see their skin and patches.

Like the others have said, it might be mites/mange but there are alot of other possibilities too - but if its mange, it can be contagious and its best to find out pronto and separate the rest. I doubt it since he isnt scratching more than usual. I suspect that it might be an internal problem like hypothyrodism which is common in middle age mid sized to larger dogs. Go to the vet as soon as you can.

I still havent found out the cause of my dog's red skin. I wish they can speak sometimes!

Good luck.
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Re: Balding dog....HELP!

One of our dogs (8 years old) has baldness on her neck / throat area and between her back legs due to hypothyroidism, this can also cause laziness (our dog slept all the time and didn't want to walk anywhere) and her claws were a dark red colour instead of being white. She is now on tablets for the rest of her life, but she is much happier, much more lively and although her hair hasn't grown back very much and her claws still have dark red patches on them (they are more or less back to their proper colour) she is almost like a different dog to the dog we first took on earlier in the year.

Hypothyroidism can also cause the dogs skin to get very greasy and oily, our dog was very smelly and used to scratch and lick herself almost constantly due to it, licking almost all the hair on her shoulders away, so I looked around on the internet and found out that fish oil added to the dogs food is supposed to help, so started to give her it, since then her skin is better, less greasy and oily and she rarely licks and scratches now, and the hair on her shoulders has grown back again.

I would definitely get your dog checked by the vet, as others have said it could be a number of things.
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Re: Balding dog....HELP!

My dog developed bold patches in her fur last year.

In her case, the vet told me that it was due to a parasite called 'demodet' in French (no idea what that is in English!).

Those parasites are naturally present in dogs and don't bother them. But at moments when the immune system is a bit weak (after an illness, for instance), the delicate balance can be broken, and the parasite gets more active.

If it is demodet, the body naturally works at fighting them, and the hairs grow back after 4-6 weeks. But as there are a lot of different parasites, a check with the vet is in order IMHO.

Note: ducks mites can also cause patches of bold skin. Did your dog went to play in a pond/lake?
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My dog developed bold patches in her fur last year.

In her case, the vet told me that it was due to a parasite called 'demodet' in French (no idea what that is in English!).
It's demodex in English, and, by the way, also in French; Haarbalgmilbe in German. Demodex is the cause of the demodectic mange mentioned above by meloncollie. It's also known as demodicosis.

In French the desease is called démodécie. There is a clear distinction between demodécie and gale in French, whereas in English they are both considered two different kinds of mange, namely demodeptic mange and sarcoptic mange, but the latter is also called scabies, like the same thing on humans.

The Collie of my American OH was diagnosed with mange last spring, briefly before flying to Europe for the umteenth time. The reason was constant licking and bald spots with very rough crusting of the skin. He got a med from the vet in the USA, but we were told he had to get another dose after a few weeks in Switzerland. I had to make sure that it was even legal to bring the dog to Switzerland without getting sent back, quarantined or something like that.

The Swiss vet immediately asked if her colleague in the USA had already done the MDR1 test, a genetic test for an intolerance to that medicament, which can kill a dog on the second treatment. That genetic mutation is frequent in Collies but also in many other breeds. The US vet had never heard of such a intolerance. The pootch tested positive, i.e. he could have been killed.

Besides that, the Swiss vet suspected it was not mange. She told us that skin scrapings for microscopic assessment are the only practical and affordable way to diagnose mange but are very unreliable. They very often test negative when actually there is an invasion of demodex. Anyway, she also told us that the whole problem might be caused by a simple food allergy or food intolerance, especially in view of the fact that the dog had almost stopped scratching himself briefly after hopping across the Big Pond.

We put him on a diet according to her suggestions: water, horse meat and pototaes and absolutely nothing else for six weeks. Not exactly the cheapest way to feed a 65 lb. dog, but lo and behold, within less than a week those scaly and partially sore spots began to heal. Back to the USA in summer, he was kept away from cheap store food and cereals. In two weeks he'll again fly to Switzerland, as a healthy dog.
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Uff I hope not. That's a nightmare to treat.
Our dog was also losing hair in ridiculous amounts and turns out she does have Cushings.

We've been very lucky (or so it seems) because it's been easy to treat and we found out over a year and a half ago. The biggest pain is going to the vet for blood tests every 2, 4, 6 and 8 weeks, but now were up to every 6 months and all she needs is a pill every morning. They're not cheap, but we haven't had to alter her diet or anything like that.

Am curious to know what your nightmare experience is/was.
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Re: Balding dog....HELP!

Well....we went to the vets this evening and he ruled out the following :

Ticks, fleas and mites as there is no inflamation or red skin. In fact he said the skin is soft.

At the moment he has ruled out Cushing's as she is so young at 18 months old.

He doesn't know what it is though which is a problem itself. He recommended a skin supplement Viacutan, which is non pharmacutical and just a supplement. He has asked to see her again in 10days time to see if that helps.

He mentioned that it could be diet as I changed her food two months ago, which in fact he said it would take 6 to 8 weeks to cause any effect in her skin/hair.

So the solution so far will be to give her this supplement and see him again, with a hope of improvement.

As she is sprightly, eating, drinking and generally her usual self he wasn't too concerned at this point.

Will keep you posted. Thanks to everyone who helped out.
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The Swiss vet immediately asked if her colleague in the USA had already done the MDR1 test, a genetic test for an intolerance to that medicament, which can kill a dog on the second treatment. That genetic mutation is frequent in Collies but also in many other breeds. The US vet had never heard of such a intolerance. The pootch tested positive, i.e. he could have been killed.
Aarrrrgggghhhh!

This is one of my pet peeves (pun - and worse - intended)!

Thank doG that your collie was not affected by the meds, CG.

The MDR1 defect has been known for almost 20 years now and STILL vets are unaware. It's especially unforgiveable that a vet would treat a rough collie with an anti-parasite - or any one of the long list of dangerous drugs - without knowing the dog's status, as studies have shown that within the rough collies population it is estimated that 33% are MDR1-/-.

Don't even get me started on the AKC's head-in-the-sand approach...

The Swiss vets I've seen are better informed - we are very fortunate in that regard.

FYI, the two universities leading the research on MRD1 issues are Univeristy of Gießen ( http://www.vetmed.uni-giessen.de/pha...dr1_defekt.php )in DE and Washington State University in the US ( http://www.vetmed.wsu.edu/depts-VCPL/#Drugs ) - so there is no excuse as to why US vets are so uninformed.

(Sorry for the rant, a personal soap box issue. My Melon was MRD1-/- , as is the Extreme Belltie - and it affects so many aspects of their medical care. I'm somewhat terrified of taking the little mutt back to the US, as I know it will be difficult to find a vet with experience of the defect.)

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Glad you've seen the vet, Darkhorsedrea. Paws crossed and thumbs pressed that they can get to the bottom of this soon.
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Has anyone expereinced (sarcoptic mange) here or Fox mange?

Someone has suggested it could be this and her symptoms are an earlier symptom.
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