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Dog with Bladder Stones - Second Time!

Anyone's dog ever have bladder stones? Our dog had stones removed 8 months ago - the vet said they were Calcium Oxalate. We started Low-Mineral dog food through Vet Concept.

Now we're at a new vet, he found bladder stones AGAIN on an x-ray. He was really surprised that our old vet just assumed they were calcium oxalate, and didn't send them to a lab for an actual analysis. It seems that either he's on the wrong diet, has some sort of underlying problem, or needs to be on a canned prescription diet which has a higher water content.

Anyone have experience with this, any tips, tricks, foods, diets, etc. that have worked for you?

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Re: Dog with Bladder Stones - Second Time!

I'm sorry, this isn't something I have experience with BUT would suggest that in addition to changing whatever food you're feeding your dog, perhaps try giving only filtered water also?

The water here in Switzerland is very "hard" (lots and lots of "kalk" aka lime scale), perhaps this is a contributing factor?

Hopefully you can find a solution, and your poor pooch doesn't have to suffer much more.
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Re: Dog with Bladder Stones - Second Time!

My old boy Melon had ca. 100 stones removed from his bladder shortly after we adopted him. When we first met him, the poor guy was urinating blood and could not walk for the pain - this must have been building up for quite some time.

Melon's stones were removed and analyzed - his were struvite, the more common sort.

He was put on an Rx diet, Royal Canin Urinary Dog - and remained on this diet for the rest of his life. This was not the 'dissolving' diet, rather the prevention and maintance diet.

We had to be very strict in the first year or so - absolutely nothing other than this food. He ate the dry food, and for treats I would bake the canned food into biscuits. (Only do this on a day when you can open windows - the stuff stinks to high heaven.)

As time went on we could sneak a few extras - he loved yogurt, which as an acidic food was OK for him. A little bit of white fish was OK too. However, we first got the vet to OK anything we gave him. I was overly cautious, as Melon was already an older dog when we adopted him - a second surgery in his senior years would have been difficult.

Struvite stones are most often formed when there is an infection (with the exception of certain breeds where there is a genetic metabolic issue), so we regularly monitored him, doing periodic urine cultures (along with regular blood tests and bladder ultrasounds - he had aother health issues, so this was being done anyway) with an eye to catching any new stone formulation early.

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Do you still have the stones that were removed the first time? They could still be analysed if that wasn't done before.

(How sad am I? All these years later, I still have a little box with Melon's stones and a tooth, right next to his urn... )
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The key thing, IMO, is a good relationship with your vet. Make sure you are comfortable with your vet, choose someone who is happy to take the time to discuss your research and questions, who views the owner as a partner in treatment - and then follow his/her advice.

All the best to you and your doglet.
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The water here in Switzerland is very "hard" (lots and lots of "kalk" aka lime scale), perhaps this is a contributing factor?
Thanks so much for this info - we were wondering if it had anything to do with the water. We've started using a Brita filter...

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My old boy Melon had ca. 100 stones removed from his bladder shortly after we adopted him. When we first met him, the poor guy was urinating blood and could not walk for the pain - this must have been building up for quite some time.

Melon's stones were removed and analyzed - his were struvite, the more common sort.

He was put on an Rx diet, Royal Canin Urinary Dog - and remained on this diet for the rest of his life. This was not the 'dissolving' diet, rather the prevention and maintance diet.

We had to be very strict in the first year or so - absolutely nothing other than this food. He ate the dry food, and for treats I would bake the canned food into biscuits. (Only do this on a day when you can open windows - the stuff stinks to high heaven.)

As time went on we could sneak a few extras - he loved yogurt, which as an acidic food was OK for him. A little bit of white fish was OK too. However, we first got the vet to OK anything we gave him. I was overly cautious, as Melon was already an older dog when we adopted him - a second surgery in his senior years would have been difficult.

Struvite stones are most often formed when there is an infection (with the exception of certain breeds where there is a genetic metabolic issue), so we regularly monitored him, doing periodic urine cultures (along with regular blood tests and bladder ultrasounds - he had aother health issues, so this was being done anyway) with an eye to catching any new stone formulation early.

---
Do you still have the stones that were removed the first time? They could still be analysed if that wasn't done before.

(How sad am I? All these years later, I still have a little box with Melon's stones and a tooth, right next to his urn... )

---

The key thing, IMO, is a good relationship with your vet. Make sure you are comfortable with your vet, choose someone who is happy to take the time to discuss your research and questions, who views the owner as a partner in treatment - and then follow his/her advice.

All the best to you and your doglet.
I'm the same way. My dog is like my child - he's our first born. I actually still had his stones from the first surgery in the bottom of his treat/medicine basket, so I was able to bring them to the vet and have them sent in for analysis. Thank GOODNESS I'm a crazy mom otherwise I wouldn't have still had them! I'm hoping they're Struvite, from what I've been reading it seems like Struvite are a bit easier to deal with than Calcium Oxalate. Thanks for the tip about baking the canned food into biscuits... that's the thing I've had such a hard time dealing with the past few days - no treats. Dogs live for treats, they need SOMETHING!
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