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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

The idea is that cats aren't "semi-domesticated"- they ARE and have been domesticated by humans, so they need to be in the care of humans. I watched a Canadian documentary on this, which was very interesting, and made me feel pretty torn about it. In Canada, I'd say 60-70% of cats are indoor cats, my cat in Canada was indoor. My husband and I are looking for a cat, but it will be outdoor. He can't agree on getting a cat if it's indoor, and although I'm on the fence about it, I think I've just got to experience having an outdoor cat before I judge it.

Regardless, this thread has been very interesting, as my husband and I will start looking for a rescued cat once we are settled in our new house. Thanks for all the tips EF'ers

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I never realized this cultural difference existed. In the US, the standard advice from the SPCA is that they strongly recommend keeping cats indoors. This may be a reflection that most American homes are much bigger and there is an assumption that a cat will have enough space.



Happier, unhappier? I don't know. All of my cats have been indoor-only, and they all look smug as can be as they sit in the sunshine and take their baths. They've all been purrbots. They don't seem too unhappy to me, but that's subjective.

What isn't subjective is this: indoor cats live much longer lives than their outdoor counterparts, and have a significantly lower risk of injury or illness.
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Old 18.03.2012, 12:22
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

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Some cats are more suitable to keep inside than others. If they have been inside since birth, they might be very happy to stay inside (although many of them, if they have a taste of the outdoors will never settle afterwards). But to keep a farm cat inside seems cruel to me, I am sorry.
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I have had an indoor-outdoor cat actually that seemed fine either way. He lived happily indoors during the week in the city, was absolutely terrified of outdoors (tried to walk him on the leash) and would not go out even if you left the windows and doors open. On the weekends I took him with me to the country and he enjoyed roaming outdoors. So it can happen.

It is quite rare though - had to keep one of our outdoors cat inside for a week recently and he was certainly letting us know that he was NOT HAPPY. Not happy AT ALL.
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Old 18.03.2012, 12:31
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

It's always possible to compromise. We decided when we had our last pair of cats that they could go out during the day, but must stay in at night. We had just moved to a new house and had seen foxes around so we were a bit worried that a fox might go after a cat. We didn't have a cat flap so it was no problem keeping them in and they soon got used to it and knew they had to be home by dark. It really depends on what the road/traffic situation is. Our new house is on a main road so when we get another cat/s we'll either enclose the balcony or build an enclosure out in our small garden so it/they can go out that way.

I don't think indoor cats necessarily live longer than outdoor. Outdoor cats have bigger risks because of possibility of getting run over or having an accident of some kind, but indoor cats run the risk of getting potentially fatal diseases when they come into contact with another cat. It happened to one of my husband's work colleague's cat. It was indoor, had never been out at all, and they had to put it in the cattery here when they went on holiday. Cat caught something off of the other inmates and it died as it had no immunity due to lack of contact with other cats because it was indoors all the time. They were very upset needless to say.

Our indoor/outdoor cat lived to the ripe old age of 16 and was still happily pottering around her garden during the day.
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Old 18.03.2012, 13:33
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We didn't have a cat flap so it was no problem keeping them in and they soon got used to it and knew they had to be home by dark. .
In case someone else also wants to do the same - you can do it with the cat flap too. We have the one that reads their microchips and there is a night setting, where the flap automatically locks after dark, so cats can come in but can't go out again. Very clever.
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

Yes, that's the sort of flap we'll be looking for if we decide to let it/them out in the garden. Otherwise, it will be a good, old fashioned bolt of some kind we can slide across and lock the flap with.
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In case someone else also wants to do the same - you can do it with the cat flap too. We have the one that reads their microchips and there is a night setting, where the flap automatically locks after dark, so cats can come in but can't go out again. Very clever.
Thanks you for the suggestion.
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In case someone else also wants to do the same - you can do it with the cat flap too. We have the one that reads their microchips and there is a night setting, where the flap automatically locks after dark, so cats can come in but can't go out again. Very clever.
We have a flap you can lock too although it's not quite so sophisticated as to read the microchip. He has a magnet on his collar which opens it so we don't get all the neighborhood cats in our basement.
I usually change the setting to 'in' after dinner and our cat can come in but can't go out again. I like to know that he's indoors at night time too. This is never a problem as he likes to spend the evening snuggled up on somebody's lap.
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

About the US and indoor vs outdoor....we had indoor only cats ( always 2 )....I was too afraid they would get hit by a car - or bitten by another cat. Even here it shocks me that so many let them roam when it is dark outside. We had one dead today on our car park...I am sure hit by a car. Terrible. I am too chicken to take the risk that they get hit, but not mortally wounded and then crawl somewhere to die slowly in agony. I found one on the side of the road in bad condition when I was a teenager, maybe that is why....had to be put to sleep (back was broken). I just don't get it.... Of course when we had a farm with no busy roads then an outside cat was fine ( diff cats ).


Plus the stench of cat urine is shocking when out walking...wouldn't go over well with the neighbor's back home for sure!
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

Neutered males do not smell much. More likely to be fox urine.

Having agreed to disagree, I'll make my last comment on this subject. If I lived in an area where our cats were not fairly safe (accidents sadly can always happen, and our cats always come in at night) eg in a very built-up area, I just would NOT have cats. You can own a dog, but cats definitely own you, and on their terms is best imho.
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About the US and indoor vs outdoor....we had indoor only cats ( always 2 )....I was too afraid they would get hit by a car -
This definitely plays a role in my reluctance to let Pabli out (above and beyond the fact that he is almost 7 years old and never been outside)- as a child all my cats were outdoor. none lived longer than age 2 due to automobile accidents. I saw my favorite get run over.
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

Yes, my parents-in-law had the same problem so they had a wood and wire structure built to enclose their patio area so the cat could come and go as he pleased and still be safe. It's the sort of thing I'm thinking of having done when we FINALLY get another pusstat. I'd prefer that as I do think cats should be able to be outdoors.
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

[QUOTE]Neutered males do not smell much. More likely to be fox urine.

Having agreed to disagree, I'll make my last comment on this subject. If I lived in an area where our cats were not fairly safe (accidents sadly can always happen, and our cats always come in at night) eg in a very built-up area, I just would NOT have cats. You can own a dog, but cats definitely own you, and on their terms is best imho.[



This is def cat urine....and usually goes away as soon as we move in with our dogs and start walking them. Foxes don't seem to have the same stench (to my human nose), but the Schnauzer can def pick it out!
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

This thread has been so helpful since the cultural differences have been obvious from the start, but what to do hasn't been. =) Adopting an older cat who has already been inside may be the answer for us...3rd floor apartment doesn't allow easy outside access!
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Re: Why is adopting a cat in CH so difficult?

We have an indoor kitty, with a nice bit 'catio'(patio) where he does his people watching.

We were very skeptical about getting an indoor cat, where we are from it is not done. While at our vet here in Adliswil with our doggy for her annual check-up he actually told me that if he had his way all cats would be indoor cats.

From what we see out Benzli seems very happy and content in his little 'kingdom'



BENZLI CHILLIN' WITH HIS MATE DONKEY



BENZLI AND COCO GOSSIPING ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND FASHIONS DOWN IN THE STREET
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