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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

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Aniseed ball with poison in it.
Dogs love aniseed.

Waiting for the groans from dog lovers.
Dog owners should respect that some people do have a fear of their dog.
You are a loser!! Please dose youself witn your aniseball and do this forum. A great deed!!
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I certainly understand the natural reaction to protect one's own pet - every dog owner would react instinctively if his/her pet were attacked.

the walking stick was for the dog to carry and fetch
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Old 03.07.2012, 14:09
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I, too, would try to speak to this woman before going to the police. Often it's a case of an owner who needs to be pointed in the right direction, and this is often most effectively done by other owners. If you can engineer a conversation that would be fantastic. Give the owner - and thus the dog - a chance to turn things around. But if you find that the owner is not amenable to discussion, at least you know that you have tried to help the dog, and your conscience is clear should you decide to report it.

I have lived with, managed, rehabilitated - and deeply loved - several dogs with agression or reactivity problems. An aggressive/reactive dog can in most cases be rehabilitated into a very good canine citizen - provided, of course, the owner is honest with him/herself, keeps an eye towards safety at all times, is 100% committed to management in the short term and rehab in the long run.
Hello, I agree with you on this part, 100%.

Owning a dog that has "issues" (that is in the eyes of the human) when interacting with other dogs is not an uncommon sight. In fact the natural instincts
of a dog with a higher level of possessive/dominant behavior does not allow it to engage in "play/socialization" as their "human" owner would like them to.

I strongly believe that owners of such dogs be willing to accept their dogs nature and work with him as fas as the dog's potential allows to become the best
possible canine citizen.

I write this because although I have trained guide dogs for the blind for the most part of my life, I began my doggie career with what humans label "problem dogs"
and police rehab dogs. Some dogs are not "social", they will accept other dogs to a certain degree and can behave themselves as we would like them to but only
if we ask it of them.

Pure Aggression in dogs is the "intent to do harm". And very few dogs are like that. This is based to a large extent on their genetic code.
A predisposition usually within the breed standard. However, many dogs show "displays of aggression" and these are distance-incresing actions which is mainly defensive.Other dogs develop dog-aggressive behavior due to past experiences (negative, like being attacked themselves), or medical or hormonal imbalances.

It is sad because it is in most cases it is the human that is not able to communicate with his dog for reasons that meloncollie mentioned earlier.

I hope you are able to work things out with the owner
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Old 03.07.2012, 14:23
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

Also, dogs that display dog-aggressive behaviour do not necessarily show aggressive behaviour towards humans.
The two types of aggression are not necessarily related, and do not always occur in the same animal. Having said that,
I would not wave a stick or an umbrella around a dog that does have the capability of standing up for itself ...
unless you are sure that you are willing to stand up for yourself

Actually the reason that dogs will appear shell shocked if you shout loud, wave things or hit them with an object is because
they have been "humanly socialized" and never in their life encountered such a negative behavior from a human.
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

Here are some contributing factors to the likelihood of the development of dog aggression.

1. Anxiety, fear or phobia
2. Lack of structure
3. Lack of proper exposure to other dogs during the critical socialization period
4. Early imprinting by an aggressive or nervous dam
5. A traumatic experience
6. Territorial behavior
7. Thyroid malfunction or other medical conditions
8. Abuse from owners
9. Medical or physical ailments
10. Breeding and genetic predisposition
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Here are some contributing factors to the likelihood of the development of dog aggression.

1. Anxiety, fear or phobia
2. Lack of structure
3. Lack of proper exposure to other dogs during the critical socialization period
4. Early imprinting by an aggressive or nervous dam
5. A traumatic experience
6. Territorial behavior
7. Thyroid malfunction or other medical conditions
8. Abuse from owners
9. Medical or physical ailments
10. Breeding and genetic predisposition
So basically same as humans.
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Old 03.07.2012, 14:32
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Aniseed ball with poison in it.
Dogs love aniseed.

Waiting for the groans from dog lovers.
Dog owners should respect that some people do have a fear of their dog.
Yes, you are absolutely right. Dog owners should respect the fact that there are people out there that have a fear of dogs.
This makes them feel very uncomfortable, mentally and physically.

Your idea though is not a fair one. Perhaps there are other ways to deal with the situation so that "hatred" is avoided from both sides.
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

I think you should report it to the police.
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Old 03.07.2012, 15:17
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I have referenced this particular dog before in previous posts on similar subjects, but it seems this woman and her dog are having more of a presence around my area and I am slightly concerned about what to do if anything, other than be more alert.

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I just dont know what if anything I should do. I mean, the woman is nice enough although arguably not acknowleding or doing enough about this behaviour.

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I dont want to cause this woman too many issues, and I could talk to her more, but I am not entirely sure the correct appropriate action. The bottom line is, I dont want her dog to attack mine, or any other for that matter, and I dont want to necessarily have to worry about looking out for it.

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Listen, there are multiple problems here, none of which are your fault, nor should be your problem.

As I am certain you may have seen from my posts, I love my dogs, and I can tell you, if anyone or anything comes at them with intent to harm (in any manner), it's all hands on deck and I am certain I will protect them no matter what it takes.

This person's dog was not trained properly, and clearly is mistreated in the home. The breed of a dog does not make it nasty, its the environment.... at least, that is my opinion.

1. I would call the police immediately and report the incident.
2. The next time I saw the person and the dog, I would again, immediately call the police. Let them explain to this person why the dog is a problem. (be proactive before your dog is attacked that second time)
3. Do not feel guilty or bad for a moment. Imagine if your dog was your child and this happened. Would you feel the same level of guilt? No, I am not comparing dogs and children to be the same, but what I am saying, who is to say that dog will stop at just attacking other dogs.

Too many times, owners are not held accountable properly for the behavior of their pets and very bad things happen as a result. You are doing everyone a favour by making sure this dog doesn't do just that.

And.. if you know this person and are worried about recourse, PM me and I will gladly do it on your behalf.
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No, I am not comparing dogs and children to be the same, but what I am saying, who is to say that dog will stop at just attacking other dogs.
Just a caution re: comments like this...

The triggers for dog-dog aggression are very different from dog-human aggression. One cannot infer that one will necessarily lead to the other.

I'm not playing down the situation, but this meme has taken root in the public mind, and should be corrected. Many dogs have been unnecessarily euthanized because the public do not understand the difference.

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Obviously the owner of the dog JBZ is talking about needs to step up to her responsibilities, as discussed upthread.
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

Thanks for the replies peeps. I have been away on a long weekend and thus I have not seen the woman too much. We did cross paths briefly last week when I was coming up my steps and her down, I indicated to her that I would be turning left at the midway point and could she just hold. She did so and her dog was ok up until we got to the point that we were 5ft away and I had to take the left turn to my house. Then it was wild rabid beast again.

Reflecting on the comment re: lady protecting her poodle and the result of that, as well as the comments re: distinction between dog on dog vs dog on human aggression are very different. I do agree.

In this case, whilst the dog did not necessarily act aggressive towards me, it did not budge at my attempts to prevent him going for my dog either. It was as if I wasnt there. When I had the chance to pick my dog up safely, i..e the other dog wasnt too close and I wasnt risking a threat to the other dog to bite me by reaching to pick mine up, it had no qualms in re-approaching, circling me and squaring up as it fixated on my dog. I was having to elevate him higher and swing left and right so he could not get him, which is why I say I was waiting for the bite on me . Whether that is encouraging or not I dont know. Louix seemed to enjoy the swinging around though haha

I watched that barking mad last night, which someone referenced earlier, regarding the problems in the UK with aggressive dogs, banned breeds, and attacks. Was interesting. The UK are searching new implementation of laws to ensure that owners of breeds who are perfectly safe are not affected by dog law changes. It was quite sad to see this 2 year old pitbull, who was stray had to be put down because they are not allowed to find a home for it. Yet, the dog had shown no aggression in its time with Battersea and seemed a wonderful sweet dog.

I am believer of its the owner not the breed, as I have know so many Staffordshire Bull Terriers who have bad reps, as well as a handful of pittbulls and they have been wonderful dogs. Its a shame about the irresponsible owners tarnishing the breed. A law that acts on incidents or ownership flaws would be more suited then banning dogs based on their looks or reputations.
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

would it help if you asked the dog be muzzled?
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would it help if you asked the dog be muzzled?
I am sure it is the same dog that I have seen muzzled previously. Certainly, I will be asking whether she surely sees it a good idea to put it back on until he can walk past another dog without acting that way
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Just a caution re: comments like this...

The triggers for dog-dog aggression are very different from dog-human aggression. One cannot infer that one will necessarily lead to the other.

I'm not playing down the situation, but this meme has taken root in the public mind, and should be corrected. Many dogs have been unnecessarily euthanized because the public do not understand the difference.

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Obviously the owner of the dog JBZ is talking about needs to step up to her responsibilities, as discussed upthread.

/agree... I was exaggerating the point only to help get the same point across as most others. Didn't mean for it to sound like an inference really, but point well taken
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Re: Concerned about an aggressive dog in the area

While it will be an imposition of your time, as you've encountered this woman several times in the same area, perhaps you could go for a wander at the usual time without your dog in hopes of coming across the woman without triggering her dog. This way you can have a sensible chat without either having to shout to have yourselves heard or worry about your dog coming to harm.
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