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disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

First of all, I don't have discrimination towards dogs. I could live in peace with those well-behaved ones but it drove me mad for those with super annoying behavior. I know this is the owner's fault but whatever it is --I become the victim !

Anybody would be so kind to tell me any legal restriction regarding dog's disturbance arising WITHIN an apartment but affecting neighborhood? Also, any formal action I could do to stop these. Or I should just live with it?

The neighbor in the adjacent building moved in 1 month ago. His building is right next to us. Theoretically the 2 buildings are 'sticking' next to each other with only 8m apart. We both lived in ground floor so the garden is completely stuck together with 0m except a fence.

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1)let their dog poo freely in garden. For those experienced dog owners, you might know what's next --- the dog poo EVERYWHERE to mark his territory. The fence between us certainly stop it from making his territory but NOT the smell. On a day with even breeze, there's smell of dog's poo towards our side. This is so gross especially when you want to stay outdoor on a nice sunny day!

2)the dog keep barking whenever I go out to the garden, no matter it's inside the apartment or the garden. It seems that the owner is trying to stop it but it doesn't stop till I get back into my apartment. (something like lasting for few minutes)

Could I call police or write to canton or do anything about this please? I don't want to talk to them as the neighbor is certainly a weird and scary family, has their blind closed everyday, her kid is in prison due to murder etc
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

Get a bunch of the doggy poo bags from your local dog bin. Put a small stone in each one and lob them over the fence so it lands near the offending poos.

I think he will get the message.

But first I would speak to the neighbour.
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

First, I would still urge you to speak with the neighbor directly - so many misunderstandings can be cleared up by direct contact, give the neighbors a chance to rectify things. You might find that the family is indeed approachable - and you'll have set the tone for postive future neighborhood relations.

As a dog owner I would welcome any concerns brought to me, and to be honest I'd try a lot harder to find a solution we can all live with if someone approached me in a friendly direct way.

There may be a special circumstances, like a young puppy in training, an old dog in failing health - perhaps this is a temporary situation. Or perhaps the family simply don't understand how their actions affect you - and would be happy to make adjustments once the problem is known. A friendly conversation just might sort the whole thing out. At least it's worth a try.

Going behind your neighbor's back to make an anonymous complaint can be counterproductive, as that kind of thing puts people on the defensive. Why create a situation that will make it harder to reach a solution that is acceptable to all? Put yourself in the neighbor's shoes - how would you want a complaint against you to be handled?

But if you can't do that, or if the neighbor isn't responsive to your concerns...

In the first instance, ask your landlord to intervene, assuming you have one.

If not, yes there are indeed environmental regulations that would require the dog owner to clean up the garden. Speak to the Gemeinde.

As for the barking - yes there are also noise laws, again speak to the landlord if there is one, or the Gemeinde.


But do be aware of the effect calling the police will have on future neighborhood relations. If you don't care, so be it. But if you do - please first try for a solution amongst yourselves.



Good luck, hope it works out...
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

I am going to assume you are not as crazy as my neighbour and give you the benefit of the doubt.

My neighbour objects to my dog too. She doesnt like it, as much as she denies she has a problem, it is clear she hates the dog. I knew she had a problem with the previous tenant and their dog, so I took extra care and consideration to ensure we got off to a good start. This lasted a week before her "no problems" escalated to a letter to the landlord with no prior discussion with extreme exaggerations which created hell for me, briefly, and to this day there remains a tension. Fortunately, only her clear insanity ended up shifting situation in my favour to the extent that my dog and I can live hassle free.

In a similar situation, we have large metal cupboards that separate our balcony / terrace. My side is slightly larger than theirs, and is 65m2 So not small (this is important to note). Fortunately, my dog is not one to do his business on concrete usually, and prefers grass. I have no grass, so this is useful. However, when I first moved in, after a week my dog done a number 2 on the far side of the terrace, i.e. furthest away from the joint divide, behind a large plant pot, I put it down to new environment.. She saw him go behind the pot and squat as our dividers are only 4ft tall so she has free view of my terrace. (an attempt to claim privacy with a bamboo fence was shot down by the way). Well I was greeted on the door that evening with a "this is not possible" message, to be told a letter had been sent to landlords to complain. My pondering of a amicable discussion to negate these issues was greeted with bemusement (fortunately this style of communication came back to bite them on the ass later).

I went out to clear up the "mess" to find my neighbours had trespassed to my terrace and cleaned it up themselves leaving it in a bag by my patio. Great, but i think we have a bigger issue than dog mess dont you? i.e. breaking and entering?

Anyway, back to you. I am going to assume dog mess is all over the garden, and as in my case, if it was all over my balcony I would want to clear it up. I walk out in bare feet and sunbath, I dont want to be dodging mess and the smell is not pleasant.. So, assuming you are not exagerating and it is not a one off, I would suggest merely speaking to the guy, who is probably a little immune to his little friends business compared to others, and say as its summer, and warm, and spending more time in garden could he possibly take care so as you are not disturbed by the smell so much. I am unsure whether he has a legal obligation to do so, but a moral one perhaps? I certainly would. He could well be a reasonable guy, or he could well be the guy who has had so many neighbours complain about his dog, that when he finally got the ground floor apartment, that accepts dogs and has a garden for him he thought FINALLY PEACE!!!

But as for the barking, I would imagine this is purely territorial and my feelings are mixed. I am not sure it can be coached out, and if it could I dont think I wouldnt want to coach it our of my dog. For example, my dog will have a little bark up as people walk along the back path or as the neighbour pops her head over from the above terrace. He is merely alerting me of people close to the territory. Naturally, as he has got to know the neighbours he does not do it so much to them, but when startled he can. So it is partly understanding why the dog is doing this. Has he met you? Does he know you are safe? Can he hear but not see you which is startling him? Unless the dog is going wildly aggressive crazy then I think you merely need to bond a little so he knows you are no threat.

If you are to be neighbours for the long term, then it would be a good idea i think, to try and befriend the guy, to a certain degree. I tried this, and fortunately all my neighbours and I get along apart from crazy next door who is now widely regarded as the lonely old lady with too much time on her hands. If you can have a good relationship with the guy, AND his dog, then you may find he will ensure to maintain some cleanliness in the garden and the dog become more comfortable around you.
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First, I would still urge you to speak with the neighbor directly -

Going behind your neighbor's back to make an anonymous complaint can be counterproductive, as that kind of thing puts people on the defensive. Why create a situation that will make it harder to reach a solution
^^^^ The clear voice of reason ^^^

First option is ALWAYS talk to the neighbour politely first.

If that doesn't resolve the situation, then read Meloncollie's post again.



In the meantime, I'd also suggest the following:
  • *Conditioned response* or Pavlov's dog theory. Go into your backyard the same way with a whistle, or repetitive sound that says "I'm here"
  • Take some 'treats' into the backyard with you.
  • Stand near the fence and be nice to the dog.... with a treat is should shut up, at least for a little while.
  • *Positive reinforcement* - tell the dog in a nice tone that he's good when he gets the treat. He will want more treats and begin to behave.
  • The more you do this, the more the dog will get used to you and not bark at you..... hell, the dog may become to like you more than the owners.
But talk to the neighbours first.I'm sure the dog also doesn't like to run around in his own sh..... as much as you hate smelling it.

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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

Honestly and no offend to dog lovers -- I don't like dog at all.

I love cat so much but I don't expect everybody else to love cat and I still respect them even if they told me they hate cat. It's a free world to accommodate different people when there is respect.

In my case, I don't see the neighbor is respecting others.

I do appreciate the nice advice about using treat for dog. I would however, hesitate to do anything to please that dog in order to make him stop barking. If the neighbor kids are screaming at me whenever seeing me, should I give him a candy to shut him up?

talking to my neighbor is unfortunately not an option. Too much details for the reason but the 'new neighbor' actually used to live around before moving in. As I heard, she has a very bad reputation and basically a bit crazy --- one well known case is that she went to court to sue the neighbor about parking a truck to offload stuff on the public road in front of her house and she claimed that the truck killed the tree next to her house (which is not true) and all she wanted in the court is to have the neighbor to say 'sorry' to her ....., ...anyway, too many other weird things. When I learnt that one of her kids is in jail due to murder, it really scares me to talk to her....

I think I have to it in 'swiss' way this time. Go through legal/formal channel with anonymousity

by the way, we both are landlord so would be pretty embarrassed to have confrontation when knowing that she won't change.
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As a dog owner I would welcome any concerns brought to me, and to be honest I'd try a lot harder to find a solution we can all live with if someone approached me in a friendly direct way.

There may be a special circumstances, like a young puppy in training, an old dog in failing health - perhaps this is a temporary situation. Or perhaps the family simply don't understand how their actions affect you - and would be happy to make adjustments once the problem is known. A friendly conversation just might sort the whole thing out. At least it's worth a try..
Will you let the dog to shxx in your garden all over the place and bark to others? Certainly no. From your post, you have an open attitudes and it is easy to tell that you won't do this kind of thing already.

See what i mean, those 'consistently' bad behavior of the dog has already reflected the type of dog owner.....It's not something happening in a day/a week. 1/few dog poos won't spill to garden with breeze....As i mentioned in the above post, there're really so many weird thing of this neighbor that it's hardly elaborated in details. In short, she is NOT normal and that's what make the situation difficult.
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

Muffin, the dog react differently than kids. So giving a treat to a dog to get use to you is different of giving a treat to kids who are not well educated.

Dogs react this way mostly out of fear and to protect. By having him on your side, you will get your peace as he will recognize you as not being a treath.
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Honestly and no offend to dog lovers -- I don't like dog at all.

I love cat so much but I don't expect everybody else to love cat and I still respect them even if they told me they hate cat. It's a free world to accommodate different people when there is respect.

In my case, I don't see the neighbor is respecting others.

I do appreciate the nice advice about using treat for dog. I would however, hesitate to do anything to please that dog in order to make him stop barking. If the neighbor kids are screaming at me whenever seeing me, should I give him a candy to shut him up?

talking to my neighbor is unfortunately not an option. Too much details for the reason but the 'new neighbor' actually used to live around before moving in. As I heard, she has a very bad reputation and basically a bit crazy --- one well known case is that she went to court to sue the neighbor about parking a truck to offload stuff on the public road in front of her house and she claimed that the truck killed the tree next to her house (which is not true) and all she wanted in the court is to have the neighbor to say 'sorry' to her ....., ...anyway, too many other weird things. When I learnt that one of her kids is in jail due to murder, it really scares me to talk to her....

I think I have to it in 'swiss' way this time. Go through legal/formal channel with anonymousity

by the way, we both are landlord so would be pretty embarrassed to have confrontation when knowing that she won't change.

Now I get the impression its more a personal thing against dogs. Unless it is an English issue and you mean that specific dog.

Interesting you like cats too.

Do you know, I have to take my dog training (costs money), pay a dog tax (costs money), sign a dog contract for apartments (additional hassle and often money) and pay for dog care (costs money).

None of the above is applicable for cats, at least that is my understanding, and yet a cat can wonder the streets, gardens and terraces and do its "poo" wherever it wants. Theres a ginger thing that is always doing it around my area.

So essentially, i get the impression, that because the dog is confined in its toileting habits, it bothers you, but should that dog be able to roam and do its business anywhere it pleases with no obligation for anybody to be responsible and pick it up, it would not bother you?
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

The basic problem with dogs is their owners.

In their owners' eyes dogs can do no wrong. So when one bit me in the backside, all I got was "he's never done that before" and not even an apology.

I don't want saliva on my hand or it's nose up my bum, but that's what complete strangers' dogs do to me on an almost daily basis. When they bark, they "just want to play".

I complained to a neighbor that her dog was barking so loud about 2 metres from our front door that I couldn't hear the TV. I was told I should give the dog a bone and make friends with it! Why should I?

The best solution to the OP's problem was demonstrated by an old friend in England. Sick of a dog from the village crapping over his garden and being told by the owner that the dog was too old to be taught different, he leant out of the bedroom window and gave it both bores of his shotgun. He then slipped his gardener a tenner to bury it...
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Try AbFabs idea!

But dont be surprised if you got shot yourself.

Certainly, if someone shot, killed, poisoned my dog, they would be dead, no problem at all.
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I'd be hesitant to offer advice on giving treats - what if the dog has a food allergy and you end up making it sick? I'm sure your neighbor would take you to court for trying to poison their dog.

As a dog owner, I'd never do what they're doing (how embarrassing) but I'd also be more receptive to someone complaining directly to me instead of anonymously with the landlord. Like MC said it will naturally put someone on the defense. I'd also take the "rumors" with a grain of salt, maybe she will be approachable and willing to listen. If she's not then ok you go the official route, but you won't know until you ask. You're more apt to draw bees with honey instead of vinegar kind of thing.
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For the barking, you could always consider buying an ultrasonic device to deter it - they have them on amazon for $40 (for example, there are quite a few products out there) and it looks like a birdhouse so your neighbors won't be none the wiser.
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I'd be hesitant to offer advice on giving treats - what if the dog has a food allergy and you end up making it sick? I'm sure your neighbor would take you to court for trying to poison their dog.
This exactly. Never, ever give food to a dog without the owner's express permission.

Especially as the OP is not a dog lover, and knows very little about dogs. The potential for disaster - for the OP as well as for the dog - is far too great.
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This exactly. Never, ever give food to a dog without the owner's express permission.

Especially as the OP is not a dog lover, and knows very little about dogs. The potential for disaster - for the OP as well as for the dog - is far too great.
Fair enough


But I doubt that the incompetent owners who allow their dog to live in it's own excrement have the slightest concerned about a 'food allergy' either.


For me, if there is a dog annoying me and it's obvious that the owners are not able to control it. I take control.

When the owners can see that the dog does what I say, they usually just ask me how I did it, and I'm more than happy to pass on the knowledge...... after all, it's for the dogs benefit as well.


Perhaps offering food if you're inexperienced or have fear is not a good idea in hindsight, but the truth is that you can use food like a 'Jedi mind trick' to control a dog and capture their attention.

The OP should talk to the owner first about the problem and then report back.
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Re: disturbance by dog barking & pooing indoor--any legal restriction

I am not a dog owner. I have a cat. But as you like cats, I thought my story might help.

I used to live in a maisonette in England (1 flat upstairs, 1 flat downstairs, front doors next to each other). Next to each of our front doors was a small flowerbed - one for each flat.

I kept my flowerbed tidy, tried planting various plants in it and when they kept on dying eventually covered it with gravel and put plant pots on top.

My neighbours did nothing with their flowerbed. It became a popular 'toilet' for local cats.

One day, I came home and found a plastic bag of cat faeces on my doorstep. I noticed that my neighbours flowerbed had been cleaned, and assumed they'd left the bad there by accident. So I threw it away.

A few months later, I opened my front door and the bag of cat faeces that had been attached to the door handle fell on my doorstep. I was rather upset, but cleared it up and threw it away. I was pretty certain this had not been put there by accident... and that the 1st bag hadn't either... but I wasn't sure what to do, and didn't want to assume it was my neighbours.

Several months after that, I found an envelope stuffed through my front door. Inside was a letter from the land management company (we owned our flats, but this company owned the land) to my neighbours politely asking my neighbours to clean up their flowerbed. And a letter from my neighbours to me, very aggressively telling me to clean up their flowerbed as 'it must be your cat'. When I rang the land management company, they basically said to me "Yes, we know that your neighbours are being unreasonable and aggressive but we can't do anything so could you please, please just do what they say, and be the person who acts like an adult?"

I was very upset, because of the aggressive tone, because of the fact that this had obviously been festering for some time now, but mainly because they had not spoken to me beforehand. Put bags of cat faeces on my doorstep, yes. Spoken to me about the problem, no.

So what did I do? I cleared up the mess. Then I rang on their doorbell. I did not mention the little presents. I explained I was very sorry if they felt my cat had been littering in their garden. I explained that cats generally do not use their home patch as a toilet, but that as a gesture of goodwill I had cleaned up the mess. I also offered to purchase a product that would put cats off using their flowerbed as a toilet, and that, if they wished, I would keep my cat inside so that we could establish if she was the guilty party.

They said that actually they had decided it wasn't my cat after all, as they had actually caught a large ginger tom in the act.

I thought it was all resolved.

Guess what arrived on my doorstep a few months later?

I would say that a personal approach is always best. It establishes that you are a reasonable person who is willing to discuss things, and try and identify a compromise.

Responding in an underhand manner (like my neighbours did with the bags of cat faeces), or responding by complaining to the 'authorities' without trying to sort things out is not, in my mind, the mark of a good neighbour - or a mature person.

Talk to your neighbour.

And now I'm going to get on my personal bandwagon. Please, please do not be so hasty to label someone 'crazy'. Who are you to judge another persons' sanity? I find it very sad that when some members of this forum encounter someone who is different, who they do not understand, they react by using words like 'crazy', 'weird', 'scary', and even diagnose them.

Take this woman.

So her blinds are down during the day. Mine are. Does that make me crazy?

So she complained about something her neighbour did and went to the authorities. You are planning on doing the same. Does that make you crazy?

So she has a child who is in jail for murder. That must be awful for her, living with that - and on top of that she has her neighbours gossiping about her behind her back and avoiding her instead of showing her a little kindness!

Please, don't be so quick to judge. And as others have said, try talking.
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Fair enough
I'm thinking about my oldies with failing vision - who in their later years had trouble figuring out where the biscuit ended and the fingers began.



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First of all, ...snip

Could I call police or write to canton or do anything about this please? I don't want to talk to them as the neighbor is certainly a weird and scary family, has their blind closed everyday, her kid is in prison due to murder etc
Have you thought about calling/writing the property manager of the building next door (if your neighbour is a tenant)? I am sure that the other tenants in that building would not be overjoyed by the smell either, particularly if their balconies /windows overlook the garden....
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Muffin, the dog react differently than kids. So giving a treat to a dog to get use to you is different of giving a treat to kids who are not well educated.

Dogs react this way mostly out of fear and to protect. By having him on your side, you will get your peace as he will recognize you as not being a treath.
thanks Nil.

what i mean is that it's my responsibility to make sure my kids/any of my family member is not causing unnecessary disturbance to others. By same token, it's also the neighbor responsibility to do it to their dog assuming they treat it as part of a family and not simply an animal.

I don't like to solve the problem which is not created by me.
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Now I get the impression its more a personal thing against dogs. Unless it is an English issue and you mean that specific dog.

Interesting you like cats too.

Do you know, I have to take my dog training (costs money), pay a dog tax (costs money), sign a dog contract for apartments (additional hassle and often money) and pay for dog care (costs money).

None of the above is applicable for cats, at least that is my understanding, and yet a cat can wonder the streets, gardens and terraces and do its "poo" wherever it wants. Theres a ginger thing that is always doing it around my area.

So essentially, i get the impression, that because the dog is confined in its toileting habits, it bothers you, but should that dog be able to roam and do its business anywhere it pleases with no obligation for anybody to be responsible and pick it up, it would not bother you?
you take my comment too personal. I do not refer to universal dog.

About your comment on cat, I partly agree. I do have stray cat came into my garden and poo but I sort it out and manage. Neighbour's cat did come in and they actually apologize to me even when they don't have control over it. That's called good neighborhood.

you impression about dog's toiling habit is definitely very subjective. It bother sme when dog poo and it affects me at the end. Eg. people pick up dog poo when their dogs do the business and that's call responsible and it doesn't bother me. Unless I get you wrong, the point you're trying to make is irrelevant to my case. If you feel offended to you and your dog, put the discussion else where. I'm talking that specific annoying case of my neighbor here !

When dog poo anywhere else, I have to say, at least i have a choice not to walk on that place but not oblige to suffer everyday like my case. Just because you do responsible thing as dog owner doesn't mean the universe is doing the same.
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