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Mini labrador/mini retriever

I think these dogs would make a wonderful pet for my family. Does anyone know where I could buy one in the German speaking part of CH?
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

First, there is no such breed as a 'mini' lab or retriever.

There are individuals who naturally end up smaller or larger than the breed standard, that's the genetic roll of the dice.

But breeding specifically against the standard to miniaturize the breed is questionable from a health standpoint. The trend to create mini- this and teacup-that is driven largely by fashion and not by people who are experts in genetic health. I question the ethics of such breeders.

Please read these articles about dwarfism in the labrador retriever:
http://www.thelabrador.org/health-issues/dwarfism.html
http://labradornet.com/dwarfism.html
http://www.vetinfo.com/symptoms-of-p...in-dogs.html#b


If you are interested in the labrador or retriever breeds, get to know respected breeders within the Retriever Club of the SKG. No, you won't find any breeding the so-called minis - but you will find healthy dogs of sound temperament:

http://www.retriever.ch


Hopefully EF's own labrador expert, Papa Goose, will be along soon...



If you are looking for a dog smaller than a lab, perhaps list the characteristics, physical and mental, that are important to you, tell us a little about your family and lifestyle, and we could suggest some other breeds.

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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

What the hell is a mini labrador??
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I think these dogs would make a wonderful pet for my family. Does anyone know where I could buy one in the German speaking part of CH?
Ermmm..... I think there is a potential for a follow up thread to this 1:
My Labrador has grown to 35 Kgs and won't fit in my handbag... anyone want it

Seriously, afaik there is no such 'officially' registered beast, despite the hype and what people selling them say, think of it in the same way as a labradoodle. Some labs maybe smaller as MC says, and some may have been crossed with smaller breeds (largely artificially) like spaniels in an attempt to keep size down, but a 'mini' bitch could still be 22-25 kgs and around 20 inches at the shoulder, and there is no guarantee that any pup will not grow to official breed standard for labs which for a bitch at 28kgs and 22 inches at the shoulder.... see where my humorous comment comes from

So, something called a mini is actually a fad cross breed, and therefore unlikely to be available with registered breeders as we reputable ones wanted to keep the lines and quality of our dogs clean, and eliminate genetic problems. So we would avoid any crossbreeding (We didn't even mix colours) or anything that did not meet breed or scoring standards.

offtopic: Further if these designer dogs with differing breed standard are artificially created, where does the control/prevention of genetic conditions such as hip dysplasia, osteochondrosis, and eye condition which can be problematic for Labs come in, or are you just introducing Spaniel thyroid, epilepsy or heart problems to labs.
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

Thank you Meloncollie and Papagoose for your useful and interesting replies. I had not realised that breeders might specially breed dogs with dwarfism, with it's attendant genetic defects, to create a smaller pet. I had, perhaps naively, assumed that a "minilab" would be a cross of a smaller dog with a full sized labrador. I like labradors and goldies but would prefer a smaller dog (not just to fit in my handbag!) ;-)

I have been looking at various dog breeds online and another candidate could possibly be a border terrier. It's not too big, does not lose a lot of hair and seems to have a good temperament but is also lively. These are the sort of traits I'm looking for.

I shall now abandon the idea of the mini labrador. Anybody know of a reputable border terrier breeder? I have seen some listed on a border terrier website but personal recommendation is always better.

Once again, thanks for your help.
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

Yes, there are indeed some serious folks with the necessary knowledge of genetics as well as their breeds, who might occasionally purpose breed an outcross or a trait against the breed standard, for a very specific reason. HOWEVER these folks are usually doing so to create a working dog, not a family pet.

The problems with most breeders of 'designer dogs' these days is that as PG points out there is no governing body to set and safeguard standards. Most such breeders lack the necessary knowledge of genetics and health issues, most simply toss two dogs together with no thought to health or temperament or genetics, simply to create a catchy name and an outrageous price tag. The fickle 'accessory dog' buying public feeds this - and it's only down the line that problems start to emerge.

Such designer dogs are mixed breeds, full stop. Not that there is wrong with a mixed breed at all, quite the contrary. But I have a huge problem with BYBs pretending the dogs are something they are not, and fleecing naive buyers.

A case in point - the gentleman who created the first line of labradoodles - meant to work as guide dogs for the blind - has now publicly said he wishes he had never done so, because the public fascination with the 'doodle' name has led to so many ill-bred dogs - many from battery farms.


But I digress...

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Here's the list of SKG member breeders of BTs, from the Terrier Club website:

http://www.terrierclub.ch (Click on Rassen/Zuchter, and then on Border Terrier)

I'm afraid I can't give a personal rec, but until someone knowledgeable in the terrier scene comes along - why not start contacting breeders, get to know a few.


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And just cause I can't resist - as you are thinking about what sort of four footed friend might suit... perhaps take a browse through the Swiss database of dogs and other pets needing homes. You just might lose your heart to one of these.

(You can search on size, and other characteristics)

http://heimatlos.tierdatenbank.ch/pe...&db=hmtl_tiere




(Oh and by the way - are you a first time dog owner here in Switzerland? If so, don't forget that you'll have to take the SKN theory course before you acquire your dog.)

All the best to you in your search.
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

I have tried to get into the tier?denbank without success. It would seem that it is reserved for vets, animal shelters, etc.
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I have tried to get into the tier?denbank without success. It would seem that it is reserved for vets, animal shelters, etc.
To browse, or to post an entry?
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to browse - I'm sure there are some lovely doggies there
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Doesn't the link above work?

If not, got to www.tierdatenbank.ch

The click on Heimatlose Tiere
Then Suche
Then nach Wunschtier

The select your criteria.

Hope that works....


D'oh - all these years, and I've just noticed that you can switch to French... click on the flag top right.
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

Many thanks Meloncollie - it worked this time!
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

Thank you once again Meloncollie. I have contacted a couple of BT breeders and we'll see how it goes from here. And yes, I will be a first time dog owner in CH and I didn't know you had to take a theory test before you got the dog. I knew you must attend dog training lessons and I see that as a positive thing. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

It's the Sachkundenachweis (SKN) Theory course, required of all first time dog owners. The course is usually done in 2-3 lessons - designed to get one thinking about the responsibilities - personal, social, and legal - of dog ownership prior to making the commitment. The course should also introduce some of the basics of understanding canine behavior.

The practical training course is required of all dog owners regardless of experience, with each and every dog acquired after 1 Sept 2008. This must be done in the first year after you have brought your doglet into the family.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.bvet.admin.ch/tsp/02222/index.html?lang=de

Click on the
'Haufige Frage' pdf for an FAQ on the both courses.

And to find an SKN certified trainer, here's a nifty database:
http://bvet.bytix.com/plus/trainer/


Good luck!

ETA:

Just to clarify, Phaedra - there is no test to the SKN theory course - as with the SKN practical course, attendance is what is required.

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Re: Mini labrador/mini retriever

Once again, thanks.
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