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Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting]

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I've always wanted a dog and due to living location and lack of garden was never able to get one.

I would appreciate any advise finding breeders (thinking about viszla, weimaraner or dalmatian), rescue shelters (as a first dog, is this a good idea?) as well as doggie hotels? A newbie in this area and any tips very much appreciated!!

Many thanks,

Philippe
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Having had a Weimeraner, I would say this is the worst breed you could possibly consider as a first dog. While they are the most beautiful breed in the world (in my biased opinion), they are very strong willed and need lots and lots and lots and lots of excercise. They are large dogs too and would need a relatively large living space. Dalmations too are totally mental. I had a friend in the UK with one, they need more excercise than the Weimeraner, initially they were bred in England to run underneath carriages from London to Brighton - a distance of about 60 miles. I think that her problem dog was the breeding, when the 101 film came out there was a stampede to own one which resulted in poor choices for dam and sire.
IMHO, an ideal first dog would be something like a labrador or retriever, both are docile, intelligent breeds. Maybe someone else could advise you better than me though.
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Re: Dogs in Zurich

A Vizsla is beautiful, sweet, relatively quiet and sensitive.
You've gotta be prepared to go for a longish run with him/her every day.

Good luck! I envy you your back garden (did you say you have one now?).
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Hi all,

I've always wanted a dog and due to living location and lack of garden was never able to get one.

I would appreciate any advise finding breeders (thinking about viszla, weimaraner or dalmatian), rescue shelters (as a first dog, is this a good idea?) as well as doggie hotels? A newbie in this area and any tips very much appreciated!!

Many thanks,

Philippe
Was a dog-owner when I lived in the UK (our family rehomed three rescue mutts over the years) but due to lack of space and lack of time, I can't have one here - it wouldn't be fair. Might consider it when the little fella is a bit older and also if my boss allows me to bring the dog into the office.

Try giving a home to an unwanted dog from the rescue shelter; the staff would be able to advise you on an ideal one for a first-time dog owner. Yes, they have problem dogs which people can't look after but they also have lots of nice dogs where the owners have maybe had to leave Switzerland or perhaps even have died.
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Re: Dogs in Zurich

Thanks for all your posts!!

'A dog is not just for Christmas' and I want to make sure I can give it all it needs, it wouldn't be unrealistic for me to be able to give it a run/walk everyday - good for me and the dog. I will be living in Pfaffhausen (with garden) and there are lots of forests, I will make sure I give it the time necessary.

I forgot to mention Labrador, that would also be a choice. I take your points, sounds like I shouldn't go for Weimeraner or Dalmatian. Any ideas of breeders of Labradors?

I am a little hesitant about Rescue Centers, purely because this may require experience. Having said that I will approach a rescue center and see what they say, any ideas where there is/are ones in Zurich/neighbouring area?

Thanks again for all your info, very much appreciated!!!
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Thanks for all your posts!!

'A dog is not just for Christmas' and I want to make sure I can give it all it needs, it wouldn't be unrealistic for me to be able to give it a run/walk everyday - good for me and the dog. I will be living in Pfaffhausen (with garden) and there are lots of forests, I will make sure I give it the time necessary.

I forgot to mention Labrador, that would also be a choice. I take your points, sounds like I shouldn't go for Weimeraner or Dalmatian. Any ideas of breeders of Labradors?

I am a little hesitant about Rescue Centers, purely because this may require experience. Having said that I will approach a rescue center and see what they say, any ideas where there is/are ones in Zurich/neighbouring area?

Thanks again for all your info, very much appreciated!!!
Try this place: http://www.tierambulanz-verein.ch/Tierisches.htm

You don't need experience to look after a rescue centre dog, just common sense - same as for any dog you would get from a breeder. In fact, if you pick up a young dog, rather than a puppy, the chances are it is already house trained and won't wee all over your flat.

A vet we used in the UK for our dogs told us that he found crossbreeds of dogs were tougher and didn't get ill so much. The pure breeds sometimes could be overbred to the point where interbreeding meant they were susceptible to weak this, that and the other; dodgy hips, heart, etc.

As you can tell, I'm a bit of a mutt fan and have never had a pure breed so my post might be a bit biased .
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Thank you very much for all yoru advise, muchly appreciated!!!
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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting

Shelter dogs, I got my two from them respectively:

www.tierhuesli-pepino.ch

http://www.hundepension.com/

Cheers!

Oh and prices for adoption are usually 500,- CHF to make sure you can afford a dog and won't use it for bullshit...
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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting

For all those who were duped in the "lab puppies for adoption" scam, here's a real bunch of pups up for adoption:

http://www.hundepension.com/dana.htm

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Hi all,

I've always wanted a dog and due to living location and lack of garden was never able to get one.

I would appreciate any advise finding breeders (thinking about viszla, weimaraner or dalmatian), rescue shelters (as a first dog, is this a good idea?) as well as doggie hotels? A newbie in this area and any tips very much appreciated!!

Many thanks,

Philippe
Hi Philippe

You can get really good informaton on wikipedia.com about most breeds of dog and their temperments, activeness etc.

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"We are 5 frolic mutt pup girls, and born the 27.9.07. Our mommy is a pure-bred Bernese Mountain Dog, daddy prefered to stay anonymous"

They know how to advertise their dogs.
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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting]

Great to hear that you want to add a doglet to your family - the companionship, loyalty, and all around fun that a dog brings into your life is hard to equal!

First things first - take time to assess what having a dog means to you - what you want to do with your dog, what expectations you may have, etc. Then, think about what you can offer a dog - how much time do you have, activity levels, can you care for a dog's physical needs, is your housing appropriate (fencing and such), etc. And, think about your other family members - what are their needs/expectations? Sounds like you've done most of that already.

A dog is first and foremost an individual. Breed may give you some general character traits, but that should be used as a guideline, not gospel. (Most of my guys are rather ...ahem... aberrant examples of my breed's character.) You should research a breed/mix looking for characteristics that will generally mesh with what you are able to offer, but also spend a fair amount of time assessing the individual.

All my dogs seem to have chosen me, not the other way around. There is just that indefinable something that tells you that this particular dog is meant to share your life. So take your time, keep your eyes and heart open, and when you find 'the one', you will know. It's just like finding a partner.

IME, nurture is more important than nature. A dog's character is largely a function of how much you put into his/her socialization, training and bonding.

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I would urge you to look at a rescue dog, as there are so many in need of good homes.

If you fancy a particular breed, look for a breed rescue as well as a general rescue. (I'm a rough collie and sheltie person, all but one of my dogs came via a breed rescue group, even though the dogs were actually in the care of various general rescues or individuals.)

Breed rescues don't seem too common in Switzerland, but there are many in Germany, Austria, France - some of whom work with Swiss dogs, many are willing to home to Switzerland. I've adopted three dogs from outside Switzerland - the process of bringing them into the country is fairly simple.

For instance, here are some Vizsla, Weimie, Labrador, and Dalmation rescues in Germany and Austria:

http://www.retriever-in-not.de/

http://www.vizsla-in-not.de/start.htm

http://www.dalmatiner-in-not.de/

http://www.weimaraner-austria.at/weimiinnot/index.html

A good portal to find breed rescues is:

http://www.hunde-fan.de/Linkseiten/h..._not-links.htm

In general, google the breed name, and phrases like 'Notfall' 'In Not' 'zu Hause gesucht', 'Vermittlung', 'Tierheim' etc.

But be open to anything - you never know which dog will steal your heart.

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Once you have an idea as to what you are looking for in a dog, the first port of call in Switzerland should be the Tierschutz database:

http://www.tierschutz.ch/cms/de/tier...unschtier.html

This is a Switzerland-wide database of homeless critters - you can search by various criteria. If you see a picture of a dog who catches your eye, click on 'Anbieter Information' to contact the rescue in care of the dog. Most rescues in Switzerland post here.

Many rescues will have a interview and home-check process, often rather stringent, to determine if you can offer a suitable home for that particular dog. Please don't be put off by it - they are trying to do the best by the dogs in their care. (Heck, a good breeder will grill you as well...)

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If you choose to go to a breeder, (although I do hope you will consider rescue) please go to an ethical breeder, who has done the relevant health check on his/her dogs, and who is a member in good standing of the Kennel Club (SKG in Switzerland, FCI is the international umbrella organization.) Please do not go to a BYB or puppy mill - these poor dogs suffer under horrendous conditions. The only way to stamp out this awful trade is to stop lining the pockets of the evil bar stewards profiting by it. The SKG website can be found here:

http://www.hundeweb.org

click on 'Zuchtertafel' for a partial list of breeders, or 'SKG Mitglieder' and then 'Rassenklubs' for further breed club contact info. Typically for each breed club there will be a Zuchtwart, who will know which of the SKG breeders have or are expecting pups.


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But, I would first strongly urge you to consider a rescue. There are so many wonderful dogs in need.

I would also urge you to consider an older dog. I've adopted a pup, a youngster, and several older and senior dogs. Hand on heart, the bond is the same with the oldies as with one who came to me as a tiny pup. Older dogs are just as loyal and loving companions - and often a lot less work!

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Once you find your new best friend, please consider attending training classes or joining a dog club - it's a great way to forge a deeper bond with your dog, to socialize your dog with other dogs, to get to know other dog owners, to keep informed of your rights and responsibilities as a dog owner, etc.

(Speaking of which, do familiarize yourself with current cantonal and pending federal dog laws.)

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And, please neuter your dog if he/she isn't already. There is a serious overpopulation crisis, there are more dogs born than homes available for them. Please ensure that you don't add to the numbers.

(Stepping off soapbox now... )

Best of luck to you in your search.

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Dalmations too are totally mental. I had a friend in the UK with one, they need more excercise than the Weimeraner, initially they were bred in England to run underneath carriages from London to Brighton - a distance of about 60 miles.
Dalmatians can truly be mental. My parents got a 2 year old from a family who had spoilt it rotten, and it was hard work controlling her at first. They do need a lot of exercise - when I was at home, we could share dog walking duties amongst 6 of us, and had a large park with woods behind the house.
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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting]

Just another animal lover adding to the plea, please consider a rescue dog.
I have had dogs (and cats) all my life and only ever had one that was not from a rescue centre (it was a present)
I have never had any problems with the dogs and cats from the rescue centers. If the centers are good they will help match you with a suitable dog, re the animals temperament and your requirements and what you can offer the animal.
With regards to breed it’s those little mix breed mutts that make the best pets in my opinion. But then again the dog that was a present was a staffie which a lot of people don’t like and made me fall in love with the breed.


Be warned if you visit a rescue home you may want to bring them all home
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Another alternative is a drop out dog from the school for guide dogs in Alschwil, or a retiree.

Mostly black labs, but well trained. Very good support from the staff there.
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I would appreciate any advise finding breeders (thinking about viszla, weimaraner or dalmatian), rescue shelters (as a first dog, is this a good idea?) as well as doggie hotels? A newbie in this area and any tips very much appreciated!!
As for doggie hotels www.hundepension.com does that as well of course...

Thanks for the seeing-eye dog dropouts tip above, will keep that in mind, sounds like a great place for great dogs...

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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting]

If you dont mind my weigh in here, I would concur that rescuing a dog from a shelter is a wonderful experience.

May I just add a little something here in the way of breeds and behaviour. While it is true that the likes of the Weimaraner, Dalmation, Border Collie, etc. are notoriously active breeds, this is not the rule. Breeds are skills, what the dog is good at. So, running/working is obvious in most cases. What seems to be more important in adoption suitability to experts around the world is the energy level that the dog inherently displays, an inborn trait regardless of breed. Each dog is born with an energy level, (either low,medium,or high). So, you can sometimes see a really relaxed border collie (where? not mine!) or a highly active great dane!! (for example).

You can be pretty safe that the breed reputation is a good guide, but it is not a fixed guarantee that the dog will live up to that breed reputation. You have to calculate too many other critical factors after you identify his or her energy level because you are going to be interacting together in your new environment (living circumstances, are you home a lot, how much exercise you provide, socialization, diet, etc) So, its really important that you meet the dog a few times, observe and interact with him or her for a few days ideally, and then decide if you can accommodate this energy level. This is a 12-15 year commitment, hopefully longer, so it cant be rushed. I hope you find the right match. As meloncollie says, they usually find you first-you will know when you meet him or her. (my border collie called me up two flights of stairs to rescue her. she had my number before I even knew it!) Good luck!!
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Once you find your new best friend, please consider attending training classes or joining a dog club - it's a great way to forge a deeper bond with your dog, to socialize your dog with other dogs, to get to know other dog owners, to keep informed of your rights and responsibilities as a dog owner, etc.
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Would you know of any of such classes in Zurich? If in english that would be ideal, but it will also somewhat work out if in Hochdeutsch

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Re: Dogs in Zurich [considering adopting]

Teknovision, It is wonderful that you are considering to rehome a dog. I did that 15 years ago and got the best friend I ever had. Sadly, I lost my darling Snowy last October.

I think that you have to consider size and your lifestyle. Are you going to be around for most of the day as some rescue dogs could have suffered in their previous lives and need all the companionship possible.
My dog was a Jack Russell X corgi who looked like a fox with a big brush for a tail. She was a good size for car travel etc.
I wish you well and many years of pleasure.
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Would you know of any of such classes in Zurich? If in english that would be ideal, but it will also somewhat work out if in Hochdeutsch

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I'm not in Zürich, but if you are up for a trip into the wilds of SZ (Wollerau, just over the cantonal line), I highly recommend:

http://www.kurse-fuer-hunde.ch/index2.html

Two of my mutts attend classes here - my youngster attended the basics course and has been in Familienhund (literally, family dog) classes regularly since then. The trainer is absolutely brilliant with my little whirlwind. And, she deals brilliantly with my... err... foibles, which is what training is really all about. Training classes teach the owner - and you in turn work with your dog.

I very much like Frau Schuler-Ponte's philosophy of training - she takes a positive, rewards-based approach founded on a solid understanding of canine behavior and common sense. Familienhund focuses on socialization and on-going training - for you the owner, and for your dog. The classes are small, 4-6 dogs/owners, and the atmosphere is relaxed.

My recent addition is deaf; he and I are now doing one-to one training sessions with Frau Odermatt, who handles the senior and handicapped classes. The classes are fun for my doglet, and have been a huge help to me, giving me the confidence I need to work with my new guy.

HTM, special sessions covering specific or advanced topics and Lernspaziergange, (training walks) are offered one to one or in a small group. The school is also affiliated with an Agility club.

Prices are reasonable. German only, I'm afraid. Although my High German is far from perfect and my Swiss-German downright awful, I haven't had (much) trouble communicating.

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Two other good schools (again SZ but not too far out of ZH), largely Agility and Obedience focused:

http://www.i-d-s.ch/

http://www.hundeclub.org/default.htm

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The SKG website publishes a list of training courses/clubs from it's members: (I don't have personal experience with these.)

http://www.hundeweb.org/hundewebd/index.html

(Click on 'Erziehungskurse' - listed by canton.)

Or take a look through the Certodog site for an instructor:

http://www.certodog.ch/filemanager/1197457150.pdf

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Or, try googling 'Hundeschule' or Hunderziehungskurs'.

There are lots of good courses out there - if you are looking within a certain area, let me know where and I can ask around for recommendations. Also, ask your vet, ask other dog owners you see out on walks - personal experience is always best.

The important thing in choosing a class is to understand the instructor's training philosophy and methods - his/her ideas about training should mesh with yours, and should suit your dog's needs. Sadly, there are still some old school trainers around who use fear/punishment techniques - do avoid these. Your best bet is to speak at length with the trainer about his/her ideas, about your dog, and about your goals. Then audit a few classes (without your dog) to ensure that the atmosphere is right for you. Good trainers are happy to have a prospective client do this.

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