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Old 05.10.2012, 13:49
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I think you're confusing preservatives with additives.
Very true. My bad. It is all the additives that cause a lot of health issues - same as in our food. For some humans, the additives create all kinds of issues from skin lesions to personality impacts to cancer. Same in dogs. Not all have a problem health wise, but some do. And most dogs, like most humans, feel better, look better and act better when they eat healthier. But it does take more time and is often more expensive - both things that impact what people's choices are for both their own diets and their dogs!

As for why it takes so long to do a raw diet - as mentioned previously in order to get the right balance of what the dog needs, it is more than just meat. The whole concept of raw diet, for dogs anyway, is that it mirrors what wolves and wild dogs eat - but as they eat "whole" animals and not just nicely carved pieces of it, you have to make sure that they are getting some organs, bone, etc (thus the earlier comment on feeding tripe outside only!). When I started I thought it would be easy as it didn't seem like much, and yet I spent more time cutting things into the right amounts and creating meal plans than I did for myself!
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Old 05.10.2012, 13:51
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Very true. My bad. It is all the additives that cause a lot of health issues - same as in our food. For some humans, the additives create all kinds of issues from skin lesions to personality impacts to cancer. Same in dogs. Not all have a problem health wise, but some do. And most dogs, like most humans, feel better, look better and act better when they eat healthier. But it does take more time and is often more expensive - both things that impact what people's choices are for both their own diets and their dogs!

As for why it takes so long to do a raw diet - as mentioned previously in order to get the right balance of what the dog needs, it is more than just meat. The whole concept of raw diet, for dogs anyway, is that it mirrors what wolves and wild dogs eat - but as they eat "whole" animals and not just nicely carved pieces of it, you have to make sure that they are getting some organs, bone, etc (thus the earlier comment on feeding tripe outside only!). When I started I thought it would be easy as it didn't seem like much, and yet I spent more time cutting things into the right amounts and creating meal plans than I did for myself!
Ahhh i see. So its not as simple as I had imagined.

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Old 05.10.2012, 14:33
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Why does the raw diet take a long time to prepare?

Can you not just whack down a raw steak, chickel fillet, pork steak, sausages? What am I missing here.

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Usually people w ho feed raw food are eager to offer their dogs/cats a diet that comes as close as possible to the prey animal which the dog would devour as a whole if it lived in the wild. Rabbits, rats, cats or whatever it would be able to catch do not only consist of fillet and steak, but also of organs, bones, skin and fur, semi-digested vegetable food...

In order to achieve a somewhat balanced diet for a dog, some grated or steamed veggies (half-digested are too hard to find), some liver or kidney or heart or whatever, with an occasional egg, maybe some fish from time to time and some minerals and herbs... all completed by the dog himself as he helps himself to a nice serving of horse or sheep poop during walks (okay, that part is not exactly time consuming).

In addition to all that, if you have a smaller dog, the bones you can buy might be too big and you need to chop them up, same for the raw tripe which is usually bought frozen. My neighbours always enjoyed seeing me in my yard going at bones with my ax
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Old 05.10.2012, 14:37
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Usually people w ho feed raw food are eager to offer their dogs/cats a diet that comes as close as possible to the prey animal which the dog would devour as a whole if it lived in the wild. Rabbits, rats, cats or whatever it would be able to catch do not only consist of fillet and steak, but also of organs, bones, skin and fur, semi-digested vegetable food...

In order to achieve a somewhat balanced diet for a dog, some grated or steamed veggies (half-digested are too hard to find), some liver or kidney or heart or whatever, with an occasional egg, maybe some fish from time to time and some minerals and herbs... all completed by the dog himself as he helps himself to a nice serving of horse or sheep poop during walks (okay, that part is not exactly time consuming).

In addition to all that, if you have a smaller dog, the bones you can buy might be too big and you need to chop them up, same for the raw tripe which is usually bought frozen. My neighbours always enjoyed seeing me in my yard going at bones with my ax
Great thanks.

I notice organs are very cheap here, so I might try this out.

He enjoyed some liver the other day, but that was my cooked leftovers. But at 3chf for over 300grams of liver, I might stock up, along with some other spare parts.

He does tend to get bored of the kibble, so I tend to have to sprinkle stilton on it to get him to lap it up otherwise he will go daycare on an empty stomach. HE LOVES CHEESE
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Old 05.10.2012, 14:45
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Very true. My bad. It is all the additives that cause a lot of health issues -
This is even worse, OMI, than putting a blanket jihad on preservatives. In any case, most 'additives' are in fact there as preservatives anyway. But even the others are strictly controlled and subject to vast amounts of regulation.

If you have any specific reasons for thinking that a particular additive is bad for you, or for your pet, then fine, but you seem to just be assuming that anything that's not in the original 'natural' ingredient list is bad. Which is a nonsense.

And how do you define what's an 'additive' anyway? Is sugar an additive? Salt? Pepper? Chilli? What about caramel, one of the most common food colourings?
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...There are supplements specifically designed to complement a raw diet, such as Barfers Best from Canina...
Gee, somehow the name is not inspiring me to buy that product.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Liver can cause diarrhea if given in bigger amounts, so careful there. I used to feed it in the same meal as some bones which harden stool in order to get the disired result

Don't be tempted to mix kibble with raw food as this often results in gas. If I recall that correctly they recomend to wait about six hours after a meal of kibble until you feed raw and the other way round it's two hours (raw food is digested much faster).

However, do as you please, but if you really want to do something good to your pooch, either read up on the raw diet and do it properly or leave it.

If your doggy tends to be picky with food, it won't get better if you offer alternatives. He'll just learn not to eat his kibble and wait until he gets something to his liking -pretty much the same principle as kids use with broccoli and deserts

If you want him to hungrily eat is food, make sure he's hungry Offer him the food at his usual mealtime; if he does not finish within 15 minutes, you take it away and only offer him food again at his next mealtime and then the game starts over. Usually by the third time they get the message and eat as long they have the opportunity to eat. If you try this it means that doggy might have to go to daycare on an empty stomach, but that does not harm him.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Or you could do as I do - my dogs don't get meals in bowls. They get their food one piece of kibble at a time, throughout the day, as training rewards. Each and envy piece is earned.

My dogs are small to medium sized, so shouldn't eat much more than 300 calories per day. If I fed full meals in addition to rewards they would soon turn into beach balls. When I need to give supplements or meds in food, they get a bowl of veggies.

(It's a hard life. )
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Does anyone know where can I purchase prepared raw meat in Basel?
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Old 07.10.2012, 23:44
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Does anyone know where can I purchase prepared raw meat in Basel?
Errr, have you tried a butcher's shop?
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Errr, have you tried a butcher's shop?
Reminds me of a typical first question on a GCSE German exam:

Wo kann ich Fleisch für meinen Hund kaufen?

A) Kindergarten
B) Altersheim
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Pick 1 (ONE) answer, 1 mark. Incorrect answers may lead to legal proceedings.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

I was thinking more along the lines of something like this... http://www.darwinspet.com
http://www.naturesvariety.com
Thank you for the suggestions.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

http://www.goldenway.ch/

In Windisch, but that's not so far away.
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http://www.goldenway.ch/

In Windisch, but that's not so far away.
thank you for this.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

...never raw food, just meat for the dog!
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Well I am a great believer in giving dogs what nature intended:

http://www.k9natural.com/about-k9-na...aw-meaty-bones

Has worked for mine for over 35 years, and has saved me a fortune on vet bills too
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Do you see felines getting commercial food in zoos?

No. They get raw meaty bones, as nature intended.

Trying to create from scratch a balance healthy pet food is almost an impossible task.
There are plenty of reports showing connection between commercial pet food and diseases.

I know that feeding raw is not something every one can do and I am not blaming any cat or dog owner who doesn't do it.

I am just saying that feeding raw is the best one can do for our furry friends, if done properly.
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Sorry for digging up an old thread - Just wanted to give my input.
I feed my pup raw food. She does extremely well on it. (She was on kibble for a while and she Poo'd more frequently, and bigger. She also drank more and didn't seem much like her normal self.)
It does not take long for me to prepare. I sort it all out with each haul.
I would say about an hour or two a week to get her food portioned.
She eats roughly 80% meat 10% offal 10% bone. However some weeks she eats more of one thing than another.
She is very fussy with fish so I mix salmon oil with minced green tripe. She plays around when it's off the spoon.
Average meal a day : Chicken wing for breakfast, 100g liver.
Lunch : 1/4 of a chicken carcass
Tea : 3/4 of a chicken carcass.
(Full carcass weighing 400-500g)

Breakfast : Beef chunks
Lunch : Chicken wing/feet
Tea : Minced tripe.

She gets about 500-800g a day. It varies on her mood how much she will eat.
I feed liver 3-4 times a week with meals. I also use it for treats (however then I bake it on a low heat in the oven until it dries out, normally 4-7 hours)
Foods she has : Liver, heart, kidney, meaty bones (Various animals), chicken feet, wings, neck, carcass, legs. Pork ribs, trotters, chunks. Beef chunks, knuckle for chewing on (Currently teething) Marrow bone, Lamb ribs, chunks. Duck wings & legs. She will get whole rabbits when I can find a supplier, and she too will get sheep heads. She sometimes has sardines and sprats but she tends to play with it instead, hence the salmon oil. She also gets minced Green Tripe.

It's not hard when you get used to it. You will get used to amounts once you start feeding. I rarely weigh foods any more, preferring to do it from eye.
On days Shamaya eats less she gets left overs from us, which can vary from stu, bits of a roast... I think she's spoiled.
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Old 11.02.2013, 20:26
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Re: Giving pets raw food

My aunt fed the family labrador on a mixture of lightly cooked vegetables and raw meats...she said it made the dog less stinky
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Re: Giving pets raw food

Well, be it kibble, raw, or whatever, nothing seems to get rid of a French Bulldogs well reported gas issues

Though, the rich, gravy type Cesar meals make it worse than usual.

I have been trying to find the coal biscuits / powder that helps but seems hard to find here.
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