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I would love to have one. They are adorable, but I don't think with living on the 4th floor, this is a good idea.
Oh I wouldn't be so sure, daana. We live on the 6th floor and our existing cats are totally fine with it. We simply secured the windows with mosquito nets and have hung up a cat net on the balcony. 5 years now this setup has worked like a charm. The key for housecats is more the companionship. If they are at home, its good for them to have another cat to interact and play with, especially when the owner is at work or otherwise occupied.
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they are lovely! I just got a kitty from the tierheim here in Basel this summer otherwise I would have one
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Whitecrow, i need to check with my husband but we might be able to take 2. On a seperate note we would also like to get a dog from a home but are struggling to find any homes around the Zurich/Zug area. Do you have names of any? Sophie
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Whitecrow, i need to check with my husband but we might be able to take 2. On a seperate note we would also like to get a dog from a home but are struggling to find any homes around the Zurich/Zug area. Do you have names of any? Sophie
Hello Sophie76. Sure, please do check with your husband and let me know. Regarding the dog, do you mean you'd like to take one from a private home or a shelter? Well, regardless, I'm afraid I can't really help you regarding that. But I think Meloncollie can, as s/he is quite knowledgeable regarding dogs and has been following this thread, so perhaps you should send him/her a PM regarding this subject.

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No news really to speak of today. Got some inquiries, but nothing concrete.

I just wanted to mention this wonderful British lady on Mykonos, named Sharon Graham, who helped us with the organization of getting all these kitties here. She runs a charity to help animals on Mykonos, but basically from what I have seen she is basically the only hope the animals have on that island and she runs things out of her own pocket and through some very minor donations. Here's her website:

http://www.mykonosanimals.org/

She has no facilities for the animals, no infrastructure, but she does what she can, which I think is great. What really bothers me is that the richest, most touristic island of Greece has absolutely nothing official in terms of animal rescuem or even the most basic neuter/spay and release programs. The government hardly even supports Sharon's efforts. I suspect they prefer the money to line their own pockets.

Mykonos is beautiful, yet pretty small and manageable. I think with a little effort and investment from the government side, it would be so easy to transform it into a paradise for both tourists AND animals...
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Hi whitecrow,

I already have two cats and I will be moving in the coming months again, so I can't take any of this gorgeous kittens.

What I can offer is any help you may need. Please contact me and I will be happy to do anything for them (bring food, driving them to a new home, vet, babysit, foster home for a period,...) I live in Zurich and I have some time in my hands.

All the best to them.
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Thank you very much for your kind offer Cris1973. I will definitely keep this in mind as it could prove very useful to have some help in this situation.

Luckily however, things are going pretty well so far! In addition to the two kittens which were reserved earlier, we had two more reserved over the weekend by a very nice young British couple from Luzern, who fell in love with the black and the second black/white boy. The biggest pleasant surprise also came this weekend however, when a wonderful American family from Thalwil have agreed to take all 3 (!) of the grey sisters, despite their shyness and eye damage! We were truly touched! They are still clearing some things up with their landlord regarding the details of cat ownership, and we are keeping our fingers crossed!

So now, besides the mothers, we only have 2 little black sisters left, who are actually the best of friends! We hope that soon they too will find a loving family and are doing everything for this to come true!

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Hi whitecrow,

I already have two cats and I will be moving in the coming months again, so I can't take any of this gorgeous kittens.

What I can offer is any help you may need. Please contact me and I will be happy to do anything for them (bring food, driving them to a new home, vet, babysit, foster home for a period,...) I live in Zurich and I have some time in my hands.

All the best to them.
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I do hope you'll find good homes for all of them.

But you are totally right, priority on the island (s! sadly) has to be given to a neutering programme- otherwise there will be 100000s of kittens to re-home.
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Just as I thought we were seeing light at the end of the tunnel - a setback. One couple backed out and 2 boy kittens are no longer reserved. They had concerns regarding Australian pet import laws, which mandate a lengthy quarantine no matter how healthy an animal is or where they come from. I think it's fair enough, because I could never subject a beloved pet to quarantine. Guess we won't be moving to Australia anytime soon either. Anyway, the black/white and the chocolate kitten (who are best of friends, by the way) are now once again looking for a home. And no clear commitment on the two black girls either. May be some of you are still thinking about it?
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Have you found homes yet?
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Yes, in the meantime I finally have. I just havenüt posted anything, because I had quite a few people back out. It's interesting when people come visit the cats, act like heroes wanting to adopt...and then you never hear from them again. Who does that?? At least, if there was say no chemistry between you and the cats, say that you're not interested anymore...

Anyway, I will post updates as soon as the kitties find their way to their new homes.
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So, all of the kittens are now placed. Seven were picked up today by beaming new cat parents and the last two will get picked up on Saturday. We are so happy, as we have done a really thorough search for only the most dedicated people who wanted to make these poor street kitties happy. One couple who took two and a family who took 3, came from English Forum!!

Their room is very quiet now, and despite the happy end, it's a bit sad for us to let the little guys and girls go at the end. The vet visits, the worries we had about them, the fun we had with them - it really bonded us to them...well...but we could have never kept them all, and they will now have a real chance at true happiness. :')

Thanks to all of you again who have followed this thread for all of your kind words of support and your advice. Though this was all a real challenge, it's a really great feeling that instead of wondering that someone should do something about the poor stray cat situation, we actually did something about it in a small way. 11 cats are now safe, but hundreds more are still dying out there on Mykonos, especially since the tourist season is now over. I therefore would once again like to call the attention of all those who might want to help to this website:

http://www.mykonosanimals.org/

And to this Facebook group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/5433838773/

These are being run by Sharon Graham, a British lady, who is more or less the only person trying to do something to help the animals there. Practically no government support means she does everything out of pocket and through tourists' donations. If you're ever on Mykonos, please try and support her efforts or better yet - directly at:

Mykonos Animal Welfare (Filozoik Mykonos)
Account number / IBAN: GR11 0433 0160 0041 7010 0537 166
BIC (SWIFT): ABGRGRAAXXX
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So, all of the kittens are now placed. Seven were picked up today by beaming new cat parents and the last two will get picked up on Saturday. We are so happy, as we have done a really thorough search for only the most dedicated people who wanted to make these poor street kitties happy. One couple who took two and a family who took 3, came from English Forum!!

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may I ask for your experience, how did you find homes for the sweet ones? I have a hope that I will be able to rescue a few from another country but I completely don't know how to start
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may I ask for your experience, how did you find homes for the sweet ones? I have a hope that I will be able to rescue a few from another country but I completely don't know how to start



Don't waste your time, plenty of cats here already
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I have a hope that I will be able to rescue a few from another country but I completely don't know how to start
Mary, while I genuinely understand and applaud your desire to do good, please be aware that even the best of intentions are not enough to run a rescue operation the right way.

And running a private rescue operation the wrong way often ends up doing more harm than good to the animals you wish to help.

The best thing you can do is to find an established rescue group to volunteer with. Learn the basics (legal - do not underestimate how important this is, practical, medical, financial - seriously, do not underestimate how important this is, networking, training, infrastructure, etc.) from folks who are already successfully doing this. Learn from the ground up.

Be aware that the both the official stance and popular opinion is very much against the importation of homeless cats (and dogs and other animals) into Switzerland without definitive homes waiting. There are many hurdles to overcome - again, this is why I strongly urge you to first volunteer with established rescues.
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may I ask for your experience, how did you find homes for the sweet ones? I have a hope that I will be able to rescue a few from another country but I completely don't know how to start
Hello Mary. Well, it wasn't an easy experience, but we did it through social media, through our own social circle in the expat and Swiss community, and yes...even through English Forum, though as you can see there are quite a few loud voices here against such actions. We were able to place them with, what we considered, responsible owners, and we even were able to place them in pairs (and one set of 3!) together. The hard part though wasn't placing the kittens, but rather the logistics of moving 11 cats in Greece, effort to get them into Switzerland, knowing the import laws exactly, and getting the cats healthwise into a shape that would make them adoptable (vet treatments, etc.). It was all done legally, but took a lot of effort, and cost us a lot of stress and money.

Now, we are not an organized animal rescue, this was a spontaneous action due to our being appalled at the conditions we saw with the animals in Greece. We have never done anything like it before or since. Would we continuously repeat such actions? No, probably not, and we applaud all real animal rescue organizations for their nerves of steel and their endless sacrifice. Sometimes, however, you're thrust into a situation where you must do something, otherwise you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror every morning, because you simply walked away or averted your gaze. So would we do it again if the situation was similar? Absolutely yes.

So don't listen to anyone who says "don't waste your time", "too many cats around anyway", "not OUR cats", etc. A cat is a cat and a life is a life. You can't change the world, but the world changed for the 11 cats we rescued. I do agree though that the more sensible, not to mention sustainable, thing to do is to go and volunteer your time and money with an established animal rescue organization. We donate regularly, and regret that we don't have the time to volunteer at the moment. However, if you find yourself in a situation where you feel you must act on your own, just make sure your nerves are ready, your wallet is open, you gather legal knowledge about importing quickly (big obstacle), and you see yourself going all the way - then I say by all means. Just remember, when you commit, those lives are then depending exclusively on you.

By the way - an update - since 2012 when it all began for us, unfortunately one mother cat and one kitten have died after several years due to cancer. The vets suspected it was the hard life on the street that contributed to this, perhaps being exposed to toxic substances, but they did at least got to enjoy some of the good life with loving owners. The rest of the kittens turned into beautiful, active, and loving cats who are currently living with their owners in Switzerland, the UK, and as far away as Singapore, Japan, and Hawaii. Not bad for a bunch of forgotten dusty furballs from the mean streets of Mykonos.

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Hello Mary. Well, it wasn't an easy experience, but we did it through social media, through our own social circle in the expat and Swiss community, and yes...even through English Forum, though as you can see there are quite a few loud voices here against such actions. We were able to place them with, what we considered, responsible owners, and we even were able to place them in pairs (and one set of 3!) together. The hard part though wasn't placing the kittens, but rather the logistics of moving 11 cats in Greece, effort to get them into Switzerland, knowing the import laws exactly, and getting the cats healthwise into a shape that would make them adoptable (vet treatments, etc.). It was all done legally, but took a lot of effort, and cost us a lot of stress and money.

Now, we are not an organized animal rescue, this was a spontaneous action due to our being appalled at the conditions we saw with the animals in Greece. We have never done anything like it before or since. Would we continuously repeat such actions? No, probably not, and we applaud all real animal rescue organizations for their nerves of steel and their endless sacrifice. Sometimes, however, you're thrust into a situation where you must do something, otherwise you won't be able to look at yourself in the mirror every morning, because you simply walked away or averted your gaze. So would we do it again if the situation was similar? Absolutely yes.

So don't listen to anyone who says "don't waste your time", "too many cats around anyway", "not OUR cats", etc. A cat is a cat and a life is a life. You can't change the world, but the world changed for the 11 cats we rescued. I do agree though that the more sensible, not to mention sustainable, thing to do is to go and volunteer your time and money with an established animal rescue organization. We donate regularly, and regret that we don't have the time to volunteer at the moment. However, if you find yourself in a situation where you feel you must act on your own, just make sure your nerves are ready, your wallet is open, you gather legal knowledge about importing quickly (big obstacle), and you see yourself going all the way - then I say by all means. Just remember, when you commit, those lives are then depending exclusively on you.

By the way - an update - since 2012 when it all began for us, unfortunately one mother cat and one kitten have died after several years due to cancer. The vets suspected it was the hard life on the street that contributed to this, perhaps being exposed to toxic substances, but they did at least got to enjoy some of the good life with loving owners. The rest of the kittens turned into beautiful, active, and loving cats who are currently living with their owners in Switzerland, the UK, and as far away as Singapore, Japan, and Hawaii. Not bad for a bunch of forgotten dusty furballs from the mean streets of Mykonos.

Attached is a pic of the mother cat living with us, enjoying the good life.



Great, you rescued 11 cats from Greece, just think how many you could have assisted or rescued if you had done it here !


A whole lot more is the answer.



Care homes and shelters don't keep cats for too long, maybe 3-4 weeks before they get the chop.
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A whole lot more is the answer.



Care homes and shelters don't keep cats for too long, maybe 3-4 weeks before they get the chop.
Sure, you're probably right. But life is not all about numbers...

I was there and I did something about a situation I didn't agree with. But what you're describing is if you were desperate and came to me for help, and me saying..."hmm, sorry, the help I could give you could go a lot farther if I help some of those poor people in other parts of the world. You know they're suffering too..good luck!"
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Mary, here's a resource that might be of interest to you:

Suzy Utzinger Stiftung für Tierschutz (SUST) Akademie:

https://www.susyutzinger.ch/SUST-Akademie

The Suzy Utzinger foundation is a highly respected organization, with a wide range of animal welfare activities, both in Switzerland and abroad. They offer a series of seminars for the Tierschutz community. You don't have to belong to a rescue organization or be a professional - the seminars are open to private people interested in animal welfare as well.

If the courses currently planned are not what you need, write the foundation, ask for advice.

I will repeat my suggestion: First learn from folks already involved in Tierschutz work in Switzerland. Once you have collected experience, knowledge, built a network, and of course ensured you have sufficient money of your own (read: lots and lots and lots), then look at going out on your own.

I encourage you - and all like-minded folks - to get involved, in any capacity where your skills match need. But please - do it right!

(I speak from experience. And fingers worked to the bone. And an empty bank account. )
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My last cat was in a Swiss tierschutz for 9mths. Where do you get this 3-4 weeks from please?
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