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Old 05.11.2012, 12:23
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what is the fine for a dog barking?

My poor Sheba now is on the police lists as she was caught barking too loudly...

actually we had a big kids party - the neighbours cant complain about the noise until 10 so they used the dog as an excuse.
The police were nice but they said next time I get fined. Does anyone know how much - am in Baselland?

Also what happens to the dog?

My dog is a home alone dog as i work, my kids are at school and although she is walked once a day she spends her days in the garden....for the last 3 years there have been no complaints....until Sat night!

there has been a thread already about controlling the dogs noise but I think I will just let her be...unless someone tells me that the police will order some lethal remedy for a noisy dog!
thanks!
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

Correct me if i am wrong and i might be but...

i think they can have your dog taken away if oyu are unable to "control" it??
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

The fines - and warnings - vary by Gemeinde and canton. I have heard of fines of as little as CHF 100 to as much as CHF 600. But money isn't important - the safety of your dog is. You need to take steps to change the behavior in order to protect Sheba.

Despite what scare-mongering mobbing neighbors might say, the courts cannot seize your dog or order it killed without going to court. So if anyone tries to take your dog, stand your ground and demand to see a properly executed court order. If you think it might come to that, place your dog in a kennel you trust, at your expense, pending the outcome of the court case. DO NOT under any circumstance, sign your dog over to the police or anyone else without a court order requiring you to do so. By signing your dog over, you run the risk of giving up your right to due process.

But it's likely not going to come to the worst case scenario above. Before worrying about that, let's try to find solutions.

First, try to smooth things over with your neighbors. Go around and explain that this was a one-off situation, that the dog was excited because of the party. Explain that you will take extra precautions to ensure that this doesn't happen again. Follow up with a written note if needs be.

If necessary, offer to meet with the neighbors under mediation, with a Friedensrichter.

Are you in training? If not, start classes right away. This goes a long way to showing that you are taking the complaint seriously and are taking steps to correct the problem. If you are in training, ask your trainer to write to the neighbors and police outlining the training program, ask your trainer to meet with the neighbors with you. Having an authority such as a trainer on your side again shows that you are taking steps.

When you are at home, keep a diary of how often Sheba barks, when and for how long. This will not only give you an idea as to how to approach training, but also can help you refute an accusation of excessive noise. A dog is allowed to woof once in a while - but not for continued periods, and not frequently enough to bother someone, and not during quiet hours. Excessive barking is the key issue.

For now - do not leave your dog alone, ever. This is critical. First this will ensure that your dog doesn't bark or if she starts up can be quieted quickly before anyone is bothered.

Also, do not leave your dog alone outside - there is too much stimulous, any dog would bark if something interesting caught her eye. Keep Sheba inside when not under direct supervision.

If you have someone caring for the dog while you are gone you have proof that she didn't bark - this is essential. Once the idea that you have a barker is set in neighbor's minds suddenly you will become responsible for all noise in the neighborhood, and you will get repeated complaints. To protect your dog you need absolute proof that the steps you are taking are bearing fruit.

Hire a dogsitter, ask a friend, do whatever necessary to ensure that Sheba is not left alone in the immediate future.

Once you know that your dog is no longer barking you can push back from neighborhood mobbing.

And lastly - you need to think about moving. These situations rarely get better. The sad fact of life in Switzerland is that this is increasingly a society where dogs are not tolerated - and where threats against pets are used as weapons in Nachbarstreit.

You have my sympathies. I know how tough this is, but you have to take action now, you have to do whatever necessary to ensure that your dog does not bother anyone - this is the only way to protect her.

Wishing you and Sheba all the best - paws crossed that this can be worked out.
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My dog is a home alone dog as i work, my kids are at school and although she is walked once a day she spends her days in the garden....for the last 3 years there have been no complaints....until Sat night!
I thought Sheba was in doggy daycare all day?
http://www.englishforum.ch/pet-tradi...herwil-bl.html

Are you still trying to rehome her?
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

Unfortunately Niamhie is right and the fine is regulated in your local community noise regulation ( Gemeinde Lärmreglement)

I did a search online and found a lot of info:

http://www.laerm.ch/allgemein/dokume...20%28GE%29.pdf

page 5 is relevant about dog noise

and here an article of the consumer mag BEOBACHTER

http://www.beobachter.ch/wohnen/nach...-quaelgeister/


I am also a dogowner cum landlady and janitor...so i got a broad spectrum background in regards to your problem.

Maybe the dog was a pre-text of the neighbours, but what struck me immediately in your post is that the dog is a home alone dog in the garden......

Sooo..my first thought was, that the dog perhaps is barking during daytime when you are away and the kids at school. And since no one is at home,....you don't know about it,especially if so far no one has complained about it.

Up until recently we had 5 dogs in our part of the appt.block, the lady below me had two of them and was convinced hers never bark,when they were alone during day time....unfortunately ,this was not true.
Our solution was, that she handed me a key to her flat and when i heard the barking or was notified by other neighbours of it, i went downstairs,checked everything was alright..quickly went over the road with her for a pee and then left her again and it helped to reduce the barking.

Would it be possible for you to have an equal agreement with a neighbour of yours?
Also because there were no complaints before, how about you go to the neighbours who called the cops in the first time and talk to them about it, coz it is possible that they have been disturbed by barking before but never said a word and the kids party was maybe just the noisy drop that was too much. Thus you may get to the roots of it as well as show them that you take it seriously,which will also help neighbourly relations.

Or maybe engage a ''flying'' dogsitter'' who checks in on your dog during your absence?

Another option is a so called anti-bell Halsband..( no barking dog collar) it works with water ( those that use small electric shocks are FORBIDDEN to use in CH)
http://www.wolfschool.ch/Shop/tabid/...3/Default.aspx

I do hope, that you will find a solution for your Sheba and won't ever have to pay a fine!!

HTH

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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

Grin..... Meloncollie you beat me to the post...howwww quick do you type but ,you are right with all your statements.

And Canton Bern is introducing even tougher dog laws from January 2013 onwards....sometimes I wonder if this goes on this way....where can I walk our Lizzie without problems etc in future...
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

EE, I agree with everything you say except the use of the anti-bark collar. These should never be used on a dog left alone, as the potential for incorrect association, for learning the wrong thing, for making the problem worse , is far too great. When using an aversive - and yes, a water spray is an aversive - one MUST be right there, controlling the associations.

But I would prefer that aversives are never used. (Cue any one of my long rambling posts on the subject )

Rather, I would counsel the OP to look for a solution where her dog is not left alone - sitter, friend, doggie day care. This would buy time to work on the problem - and get the neighbors off her back in the short term.

But you are absolutely correct - this is no longer the dog-friendly country it once was, and things are only getting worse. It's very sad... but it's the reality of life in Switzerland today.
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Rather, I would counsel the OP to look for a solution where her dog is not left alone - sitter, friend, doggie day care. This would buy time to work on the problem - and get the neighbors off her back in the short term.
Once the neighbours are on your case, they never seem to leave you alone.

I've got someone on my case about having one bird.
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EE, I agree with everything you say except the use of the anti-bark collar. These should never be used on a dog left alone, as the potential for incorrect association, for learning the wrong thing, for making the problem worse , is far too great. When using an aversive - and yes, a water spray is an aversive - one MUST be right there, controlling the associations.

But I would prefer that aversives are never used. (Cue any one of my long rambling posts on the subject )

Rather, I would counsel the OP to look for a solution where her dog is not left alone - sitter, friend, doggie day care. This would buy time to work on the problem - and get the neighbors off her back in the short term.
I have to admit, I have no experience with the anti-bark collars,but my aforementioned neighbour had this and used it when i was also away and couldn't help her...that's where i got the idea from.
Your points about making the problem possibly worse, are very valid of course.
I just hope the OP will find quickly a solution to the problem.
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

Is debarking legal in switzerland? Although in Australia is controversial.. As I'd imagin is also controversial there too.
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My dog is a home alone dog as i work, my kids are at school and although she is walked once a day she spends her days in the garden....for the last 3 years there have been no complaints....until Sat night!
With a dog comes certain responsabilities and walking a dog "once a day" is really NOT responsible by anyones' standards.
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What's wrong with walking it once a day?
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Is debarking legal in switzerland? Although in Australia is controversial.. As I'd imagin is also controversial there too.
Controversial to mutilate a dog's vocal cords? I'd imagine so!

Dogs here do not even have their tails docked or ears clipped because it affects how they communicate to us and to each other, so I am SURE it is illegal to have a dog's vocal cords mutilated.

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With a dog comes certain responsabilities and walking a dog "once a day" is really NOT responsible by anyones' standards.
As the OP said that Sheba spends most of the day in the garden, depending on the size of the garden and whether she has access to actually run at will there (as opposed to being tethered on a short chain in a corner of the yard), I think that a good walk daily and opportunity to socialize with others may not be so bad.
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With a dog comes certain responsabilities and walking a dog "once a day" is really NOT responsible by anyones' standards.
Not sure that's a fair statement. If I'm not mistaken, there was a divorce and the owner has been trying for a long time to find someone who can adopt the dog. I only wish she lived in my neighborhood as we would love having a neighbor's dog to walk a couple of times a day. It would be such a treat!
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Is debarking legal in switzerland? Although in Australia is controversial.. As I'd imagin is also controversial there too.
It's not controversial at all. It is crystal clear: debarking is absolutely forbidden in Switzerland under the TSchV, art.22c.
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/4/455.1.de.pdf (page 9)

Article 22, c Verbotene Handlungen bei Hunden:

c. 'das Zerstören der Stimmorgane oder das Anwenden anderer Mittel zur Verhinderung von Laut- und Schmerzensäusserungen

I have seen the effects of de-barking gone wrong in the US. My beloved sheltie breed is one that is all too often de-barked there; scar tissue can build up to the point where the dog has trouble breathing. Don't even consider it. Please.
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Re: what is the fine for a dog barking?

Rackiec, as you are in Basel, please get in touch with the Tierschutz Beider Basel: http://www.tbb.ch/index.php?id=79

I think you've been given this link before, but even if you have decided against seeking their help in rehoming, the TBB has an advice service:

http://www.tbb.ch/index.php?id=476

Perhaps they can help you; they offer various training programs. Working with such a well-respected animal welfare group would likely go a very long way to establishing good will and show that you are taking the matter seriously. Their prices look reasonable.

And if needs be, consider their Tierpension - at 20-26 per day, depending on the size of the dog, it's a bargain. I don't know if they offer day care in addition to holiday boarding but it wouldn't hurt to ask - especially if you explain the situation.

Paws crossed for you and your dog.
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