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Old 15.11.2012, 17:06
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got my dog in 2010 July I think. never did the classes and wasnt asked to , nor to prove anything.... I just get my yearly tax bill for him and thats that.....
Anthony, you are required to do the SKN practical, possibly also the SKN theory if he is your first dog.

Yes, the onus is on the owner to compy with the law... but just a cautionary tale, from today's walkies:

One of the owners we occasionally meet received a complaint about her dog barking; the neighbors called the police. The police visited and in the course of the conversation asked to see her SKN certificate. And it came out that she had 'forgotten' to take the course. She has been given 3 months to do the course and present her certicate to the police. If she fails to do that, the matter will be taken further.

Sooo... get thee to a Hundeschule. Really.
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Old 15.11.2012, 17:21
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Oh, I have one more question: can a dog have two owners registered in the ANIS?
Yes, you can. Which means that both owners may have to do the SKN theory (if applicable) and practical courses.

And both bear then legal responsibility and liability - as in, both must have liability insurance. No big deal if you are a household, as the policy covers all family members. Something to consider, though, if both owners do not live in the same household.

In our family, I am the legal owner of Hooligan, and the legal 'Halter' of the Belltie. (The rescue he came from remains the legal owner - in such cases, though the Halter alone bears the SKN and insurance responsibilities.)

My OH, although heavily involved in all the dogs' care for the last 20-some years, has never been their owner. Should we ever decide to put a dog in his name, he would be considered a first time owner and be required to take the theory course as well as the practical SKN.

Another possibility is to register one of you as the legal owner, and another as a contact person.

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This brings up a very good point though. One should understand the legal implications of dog ownership, especially in the cases of divorce, partnership break-up, or death. It's not as straightforward as one might think.

There is some information on the Tier Im Recht website, and tons more in their book 'Tier Im Recht Transparent', which looks at the various animal-related laws via case studies.

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tierke...weiz/index.php

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/veroef...ransparent.php

I'd urge every dog owner to think about what will happen to your pet should - doG forbid - something happen to you. Put your wishes in writing, and if necessary put aside funds to finance your dog's care after your death.
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Hello!
I will be getting a Groenendaeler Belgium shepherd at the end of January 2013 from a very good breeder that belongs to the Swiss association of Belgium shepherds. My fiancÚ who has been living here for 18 years and so speaks fluent German and Swiss German will be doing the obligatory puppy training and follow up courses with our new dog on his day off on the Saturday. (I work the evenings when he gets home and in the weekends and don't speak much German - yet). This will be his first dog, but I've already had 3 dogs before and can prove it with their pedigree papers I still have under my name and I always trained with the dogs. I'd really appreciate it if anyone can let me know if my fiancÚ will have to do the theory classes or that if I put the dog under my name on the paper work, if he then doesn't have to take them? (he only has the Saturday and Sunday off).
I would really love to do training with the dog after the official ones have been done, does anyone know of dog training classes, obedience or agility or something on those trends, who could speak French or English with me (I'm English but speak fluent French and Dutch too but my German is at the moment a bit of understanding but not at all much speaking, I have just started German lessons). I would be able to do the dog training in the mornings and early afternoon during the week. We live in Elgg which is about 15/20 minutes from Winterthur and about 10 minutes from Frauenfeld. I wouldn't mind travelling a bit to get to them. Thank you for any help!!!
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Julz, I posted a reply to your question on the other thread...
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thanks meloncollie (love your user name by the way!) I have just read it and replied (sorry, another question(s) )

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Our of curiousity, how do they enforce the theory and practical courses? How do they know?
I've had the police around. The officer asked to see the old pet passport. She had a gun....so I showed it and made her a copy.

Showing her the url with the ashes was not enough.

Oh and because my new dog is a Rottweiler, I must have a 180cm fence around my garden.....! But on the bright side, no training is needed until around 2 years old AFAIK - and we do training proper from 1 year old.

The fence and the extra licensing fee ensures the trailer trash are not getting certain listed breeds - which is ok in my opinion.
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Oh and because my new dog is a Rottweiler, I must have a 180cm fence around my garden.....! But on the bright side, no training is needed until around 2 years old AFAIK - and we do training proper from 1 year old.

The fence and the extra licensing fee ensures the trailer trash are not getting certain listed breeds - which is ok in my opinion.
Sean, I'm a tad confused by your post...

Have you already done the SKN practical with your new dog? That's a federal requirement, needs to be done in the first year. In addition there are cantonal requirements, some cantons require additional training beyond the federal SKN. Are you in a canton where Rotties are on the BSL list?

(And yes, 'proper' training goes well beyond the SKN...)

Very sorry to hear about your old doglet, though - and what a shame that the officer was so insensitive.
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Oh the officer was not insensitive, she was nice.

I believe we don't have to do the SKN basis on account of only being dogless for 5 days in the last 15. I believe we're on the BSL and they do some testing between 1 and 2 years of age.

Furball is going to puppy training but the mandatory courses for us are the dangerous dog bits. Between now and then, she's focusing on laying on her back and having her belly rubbed

I'm not the legal owner. We've used the same vet for 15 years and they were sad when our old boy left us and are very happy with our dangerous replacement
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Re: Permit for a dog

Sean, what canton are you in?

True - you don't need the SKN theory course because you previously had a dog registered in Switzerland. But all dog owners, regardless of previous experience, need to do the SKN practical within the first year, with each dog acquired after 1 Sept 2008. So that would say you'd need the SKN Practical for your new dog, and each and every dog you subsequently bring into the family.

Now - that's the federal requirement. Additionally, one needs to follow the cantonal requirements. Whether the SKN requirement is rolled into further cantonal course requirements is something you'd need to check with the canton. (For instance, for list 1 dogs in ZH, further education - something like 10 or 20 hours - is required, but the federal SKN counts towards that total.)

Anyway... all the best to your new Rottie. Lovely dogs.
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