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Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

First of all, I have a Bitch Border collie, she was born in the beginning of October 2012. She's currently 12 weeks old.
I'll be moving to Switzerland in April, so she'll be 6 months old then. (Not sure if this affects costs)
Area I will be living in will either be Bern, Basel or Zurich.

The things I am wondering :
Average cost of insurance (Covering accidents, illnesses, vaccinations, Spaying/neutering, Pregnancy's) per year
If not covered by insurance: (per appointment)
Price of a broken bone (Ranging from leg to rib)
Price for a general check up (Weight, height, eye test.)
How much it will cost to Spay/Neuter. (Will be 2 years old at this time, I refuse to get dogs done before maximum maturity)
Pregnancy Scans, Mismate Jab, C-Section
Being put to sleep (Not something I ever want to think about.)

I am also wondering about insurance packages. For an example more than one dog, other animals (I want to have chickens) or a package including home insurance and life insurance?

Also, what is the fee if you miss your dog doing a poo and it doesn't get picked up? Unlikely I know, but I will be training her to be off lead in respected areas.

Cost of Dog training classes is something I too am interested in. I will be training her in Agility when she approaches 1 year old, but I too am interested in other classes.

(I have yet to decide if I will have a litter by my bitch before she is fixed, but if I do does anyone know the cost of rearing puppies in Switzerland? When the get weaned it will be on Raw food for that is my bitches current diet. I may however purchase another bitch for breeding for I have no idea how mine will end up like.)

I have tried to do research on this matter, however prices have been very varied and insurance policies I do not understand.

Thank you for any help and suggestions!
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Re: Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

You don't need 'anyone'. You need our Meloncollie but for some obscure reason she's offline.

While you're waiting for her, or one of our other doggie experts, to come in, I suggest you do a Search (top right on the English Forum screen)> Advanced Search - type in relevant words and specifiy Meloncollie as the author of the posts. This way you'll probably find a few answers to your questions and at the same time impress Meli by your diligence.

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Re: Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

Thank you so much! I'll do a search right now
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Re: Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

Also try this site which is the official Swiss vet one:

http://www.bvet.admin.ch/index.html?lang=en

Iirc from the threads I've read on the forum here you will need to do both a theoritical and practical course in caring take of your dog, but I think you'll find that information on the above site as well.

I'm sure Meloncollie will be back soon to give you more detailed and expert advice.

Oh, and don't bother with pet insurance. Simply have a separate bank or post account and put money aside every month for this and any other emergencies. It'll earn some interest, which insurance won't, and it doesn't run out when your pet reaches the age of 8 which seems to be most insurances cut off age for coverage. Even if you're only putting CHF200 in the account each month, by the end of a year you'll have CHF2,400 plus any interest to cover vet bills, etc. Also works for downpayments on car leasing, holiday spending money, etc. Also you don't have to struggle to understand the policies!

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Re: Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

Prices will vary by area and vet; there is often a marked difference between city/rural areas, between different types of practices. Most 'Haustierarzt' are small practices offering the usual services but not the bells and whistles (ultrasound, complex surgery, specialist care, ICU and hosptalization). This helps to keep costs down, as 90% of the time you don't need the bells and whistles. But when you do - that's where the costs start to rise.

But the good news is that we have top notch veterinary care here - and access to some of the most respected experts in Europe.


Off the top of my head... These examples should give you an idea of costs from my recent-ish experience in the SZ/ZH/ZG area:

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The things I am wondering :
Average cost of insurance (Covering accidents, illnesses, vaccinations, Spaying/neutering, Pregnancy's) per year
I do not insure my dogs, as I adopt adult or senior dogs. Few plans will cover a dog later in life, and those that did back when I looked into it were hugely expensive. The major plans are Epona and Animalia - google these, you can likely find prices on their websites.

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If not covered by insurance: (per appointment)
Price of a broken bone (Ranging from leg to rib) -
This is almost impossible to guess, as so much depends on exactly what needs to be done, the complexity of the break, if surgery is needed, what aftercare is required. I generally plan on any emergency to run in the high three to four figure range.

But - be aware that there is usually an emergency/after hours fee of around CHF 150 to add to the cost of treatment. And you know these things only happen after hours, don't you?

To give you an idea at the extreme end, amputation was a bit shy of 3000, including 5 days in the hospital, over a holiday weekend so out of hours fees applied.

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Price for a general check up (Weight, height, eye test.)
Figure around CHF 50-100 for the annual check-up, more if you do a blood test. In general, consultation fees - exclusive of procedures or meds - are usually in the 40-50 per visit range. CEA testing runs around CHF 100-200 IIRC. (But I did this as an owner, for one dog. If a breeder were doing the entire litter perhaps the fees would be different.)

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How much it will cost to Spay/Neuter. (Will be 2 years old at this time, I refuse to get dogs done before maximum maturity)
My (then) 13kg sheltie - at a year and a bit somewhat larger than the average border collie at that age - was CHF 800 for an ovarectomy. Be aware that in a healthy young dog an ovarectomy is the preferred surgery rather than an ovariohysterectomy. If you wish to have an ovariohysterectomy done, it will be a bit more than that.

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Pregnancy Scans, Mismate Jab, C-Section
No idea of a pregnancy scan, but to give you an idea an abdominal ultrasound of my male dog - a similar procedure -was IIRC 200-300.

And no idea of what a C section would cost, but again to give you an idea an emergency spay due to pyometra, including a week in the Tierspital, was many thousands. Off the top of my head, I'd guess that you should plan on a couple thousand at least for a c-section. More if there are complications.

As for the mis-mate jab - sorry, I would never allow that to happen so not even on my radar.

If you have a dog in heat, be a responsible owner and keep her under supervision and away from danger at all times. Many cantons require that a dog in heat be walked on lead at all times, btw. It's only three weeks; use this time for interaction and a lot of brain-training games to keep her occupied.


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Being put to sleep (Not something I ever want to think about.)
My vet arranges cremation along with the euthanasia so I usually have all that as one bill. Euthanasia/cremation of a 15kg dog was around CHF 600-700. I think that included the cost of the urn, but I may be wrong.

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I am also wondering about insurance packages. For an example more than one dog, other animals (I want to have chickens) or a package including home insurance and life insurance?
Your liability insurance (mandatory for dog owners in many cantons) is included in your Privathaftpflicht. You are generally required to have coverage of 1-3 million, and it costs less than CHF 50 per year. I am unaware of any package deal for health insurance, but then - I don't insure mine, so who knows? You could ask EF member Jenny, who is an insurance specialist.

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Also, what is the fee if you miss your dog doing a poo and it doesn't get picked up? Unlikely I know, but I will be training her to be off lead in respected areas.
Fine of CHF 600 where we live if you don't pick up, some cantons might be as low as CHF 50-100. Most cantons specifically mention your obligation to pick up in the cantonal dog control laws. Be aware that under the dog control laws, you are required to have your dog under control at all times, which includes knowing where she is at all times so. So there is absolutely no excuse for not picking up.

You can expect to have the wrath of doG rained down upon your head if you break the law by not picking up - especially from fellow dog owners because it is this kind of irresponsibility that makes all our lives difficult . This is perhaps the thing that most enrages non-dog owners, and the reason why dog owners are so hated here. Be responsible, pick it up, always.

Be aware that some farmers justifiably get very angry if you allow your dog to defecate in a field where they pasture their cows or sheep, especially if the farm is bio-certified. Last year a local farmer shot a dog whose dimwitted owner wasn't paying attention. No charges against the farmer, but the idiot owner was fined. Not to mention her poor dog paid the ultimate price for her irresponsibility.

Also, be aware that off-leash laws vary by canton and Gemeinde. Make sure you understand the laws where you live to the letter, and make sure you understand the law in any canton/Gemeinde you visit. Only SZ, by the way, has a cantonwide off-lead prohibition in public spaces.

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Cost of Dog training classes is something I too am interested in. I will be training her in Agility when she approaches 1 year old, but I too am interested in other classes.
As Medea mentions, you are required to attend the SKN courses, both theory and practical - this is federal law. These run ca. 150 each. There are many threads discussing this, do a bit of searching for 'SKN'.

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I see you are or will be in ZH. ZH has additional mandatory dog classes; your border collie will likely be classed as a List 1 dog, meaning you will have to do a puppy-specific class and a Junghund class. The latter counts as the SKN practical requirement - but since you are required to do much more class work plan on a plan on spending more on the obligatory course fees. I'll see if I can find an example online...

Further training will vary widely. I pay ca. 600 per year for a 35-40 lesson abo for Familienhund classes, further ca. 15-25 per hour for TTeam training, Flyball, Nasenarbeit, and other specialty classes. Back when we did Agility IIRC it was in the CHF 20 per lesson area, but this was several years ago. The 'big' clubs likely charge more. No idea what competition costs - not my thing - but if you get into it seriously expect to spend many thousands per year.

I know that my trainer is less expensive than many; there are some trainers who charge in the CHF 100 per hour range. I think 20-35 per hour is a pretty good average for group training, 40-100 per hour for individual training.

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(I have yet to decide if I will have a litter by my bitch before she is fixed, but if I do does anyone know the cost of rearing puppies in Switzerland? When the get weaned it will be on Raw food for that is my bitches current diet. I may however purchase another bitch for breeding for I have no idea how mine will end up like.)
If you are worried about costs, you should not breed. Seriously.

Join the SKG BC club, talk to breeders. By the way, here is the Border Collie Club Schweiz (the breed club governing border collies in the SKG) website, info governing breeding. Don't forget the cost of health testing the parents:
http://www.border-collie-club.ch/inhalt/zucht/over.htm

And be aware that the SKG clubs tend to regulate breeding more strictly that their counterparts in the AKC or BKC do - you'll have to join and register your dog's pedigree, and likely have to stand an Ankörung to judge whether or not your dog is fit to breed. In most club regs, if you breed outside the SKG breed club your pups will not be issued a pedigree regardless of the status of the parents.

But again, that's not my world at all - quite the opposite, I volunteer with a breed rescue, picking up the pieces. Yes, purebred dogs with impressive pedigrees land in shelters just as any other dogs do.

But breeding should only be done for one reason - for the good of the breed, by knowledgeable and experienced folks with the the suitablilty and welfare of the parents a top priority - and who are ready to make a life-long commitment to the pups they produce.

Hopefully someone with experience will come along.

ETA: Another cost to consider: CHF 2 million for a freestanding house with a large enough garden.

I'm not being silly here: if you plan to breed you must have appropriate facilities. Do not underestimate the problems that dogs barking will cause with your neighbors - and of course puppies make noise. If you rent, you'll need not only permission to keep your dog in your lease, but you'll likely need to get permission from your landlord for the puppies. You'll need a private garden to set up a safe puppy training and socialization space. Be aware that in this tight housing market appropriate properties are few and far between, and costly.

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Oh, and don't forget the cost of pet care if you have to travel without your dog. A dogsitter offering care in the client's home is ca. 200 per day, in kennels ranging from CHF 25-100 per day. And professional (paid) dog care is regulated under federal law here. A sitter offering care in the client's home must have the SKN classes, offering care in the sitter's home puts the sitter into the Hort/Tierheim category, meaning the sitter must have at least the BFA.


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I have tried to do research on this matter, however prices have been very varied and insurance policies I do not understand.
Good to hear that you are looking into this ahead of time.

All in all, I spend a small fortune on my dogs. Yes, I adopt elderly, handicapped, abused and traumatized dogs and so spend a fair portion of my disposable income on vets, training, and dog-related activities. Perhaps more than the average 'normal' pet dog. But my dogs are my hobby, my passion, my life. And the fun lasts longer than a holiday by the sea.

I think I read somewhere that the average owner should plan on something like 15,000-25,000 over the lifetime of a dog, but I can't seem to find that article now. .

The good news is that routine veterinary care is fairly inexpensive. In their younger days, my healthy dogs' vet costs were trivial. However, as mentioned above, I've had several very expensive emergencies. I'd counsel every dog owner to keep a healthy reserve in his/her bank account, just in case.

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other animals (I want to have chickens)...
Thank you for any help and suggestions!
Meli, do we get another post with the same sort of info about keeping chickens?
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Thanks Meloncollie, my trust in you was not misplaced. Meli, do we get another post with the same sort of info about keeping chickens?
I fear I am woefully ignorant of all things chicken.
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Re: Can anyone help me with the price of dog care?

Thank you, Meloncollie!
I'm not worried about the price, I was just curious since I'm overly organised and I try to plan out needed financial spending, and I also like to have an "Emergency" bank account in case of mishaps.
I showed this thread to my OH earlier and he was like "WHAT YOU WANT TO BREED FROM HER?!" and I said I hadn't decided. I think 1 litter from her will even be out of the question.

Chickens are half because I LOVE fresh eggs (Shamaya does too.. OH's parents have them and she ate lots of eggs over christmas.. I spoil her) and also so Shamaya can half work, with hearding them when they are out of the hut. Since I know I wont have sheep. :3
However, if I end up living near a farm I can hopefully butter up the local farmer...!!!
But then again my pup might be really lazy. I have no idea

But really, thank you so much for the information! It really has helped.
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Iirc correctly when the new laws were brought in a few years ago the authorities put a limit on the number of chickens that you can keep without having to do a competence course to prove that you know how to care for them properly and I think the number is 5 or 6. Again, something to check with the official Swiss veterinary office, either via their site or with a telephone call.
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Hi - do you intend to buy property? It is very hard to find apartments that will allow you to have pets, but to find somewhere that will allow you to have chickens will be almost impossible to find.

We kept chickens for years in the UK, and I really would like to have some here. No problem as we have our own house with land and without direct neighbours, but have decided against it as we have so many foxes, pine and beech martens - so it would be a constant battle. Good luck.
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If you intend to rent property, I would make sure your landlord sits down with you so you can fill out this form and make sure you and your landlord sign it:

http://www.mieterverband.ch/fileadmi...tiere_iemt.pdf

It's an addition to rental contracts which specifies which animals you are permitted to keep in the apartment.

Note that you do not need the landlord to agree to your keeping small pets like guinea pigs, hamsters, fish, mice, rats etc. (see Article 1 Paragraph 2 of the above form). Therefore, this form only can come in handy if you intend to keep a dog, cat or similar pets. I don't know if you can use this form for snakes etc., but that seems to be irrelevant in your case anyway.

Check here http://www.mieterverband.ch/fileadmi...ietwohnung.pdf for further info or ask the pet owners on EF who are always very helpful


Good luck with your pup and whatever you plan to do once you arrive here!
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Just 'cause y'all piqued my curiosity, I took a peek at the TSchV.

http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/455_1/index.html

The keeping of chickens (Haushühn, Hausgeflügel), is regulated under Article 20, Art. 66-67. Also Table 9-1, pages 89-91 http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/4/455.1.de.pdf for requirements the conditions in which chickens are kept.



But as above I know nothing about keeping chickens, so I'll leave you to read all about it. If you have questions, contact the BVet or your cantonal Veterinäramt.


ETA: The above are federal laws regulating the welfare of chickens. As animal control is in general the competency of the canton/Gemeinde, I would imagine that there are also various local regs as well.

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