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Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Flying? Queen Elizabeth cruise ship to country with no quarantine? Which would be less stressful for the dogs? What are the requirements in Switzerland? Thanks, Margaret
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

You'll find this useful:
http://www.bvet.admin.ch/themen/0161...x.html?lang=en


I found it using the search button
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Crate your dogs in an appropriately-sized crates and send them as cargo on your flight.

And please, for the love of all that is holy, start crate-training your dog now. I was on a flight with a family that hadn't with their carry-on dog. For eight hours the dog barked semi-continuously. We later realized it only stopped when it was overheated and needed to pant. The dog was just not ready for it's crate - and it's crate was WAY too small on top of it.
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

MHorn, unless there is a medical reason that precludes it, flying is generally the least stressful way to cross the pond. You are looking at 10 hours vs. 8-10 days.

First, the kennel space on the QEII is booked about a year in advance. And, the dogs must stay in the kennels the entire trip, they may not be with you in your stateroom or on decks. They are let out for play breaks, and you may visit for something like 6 or so hours a day - but the rest of the time they are in crates. Cats and dog crates are mixed in the kennels. FYI there is no vet on board, according to the mail I exchanged with the company the kennel attendant is an 'animal friendly' member of staff.

I looked into it when I was trying to get my elderly dog who could not fly back to the US, and decided that the QEII was not an option for us.

Here's my thread from a few years ago on the subject:
Transatlantic travel by ship - with pets?

Please follow dmay's advice and begin crate training now - no matter how you travel your dog will be crated.

There are dozens of threads detailing the process of importing a dog to Switzerland. Do a quick search, the questions have come up many times.

BTW - what kinds of dogs, and which canton? Be aware that about half the cantons have BSL, and one restricts multi-dog households regardless of breed. Docking and cropping is also banned; dogs who are docked or cropped may not be imported unless a long time family pet moving at the same time with the family - and must have clearance from the BVet.

Follow J Marple's link for all you need to know about importing dogs to Switzerland. And just to give you a hand , here's the online tool - you'd have found if via the link, but it's a few pages in:

http://bvet.bytix.com/plus/dbr/default.aspx?lang=en;)


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My thread from 2011 discussed the difficulties I was having with the UK PETS scheme as my dog's illness meant that he could not be vac'd or treated for tapeworms to meet the entry requirements for the UK that were in force at the time. Be aware that the UK has now (as of 2012) normalized it's regs with the rest of the EU - so if taking the QEII you'll only need to meet current DEFRA regs if you enter the UK and continue your journey from there, or to apply for transit permission for the time you are in UK waters prior to sailing on to Hamburg.

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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

From which part of the US are the dogs coming? Mine came from NJ via air cargo a few months ago. Basically you need Rabbies and Microchip, EU and APHIS Form 7001 endorsed by USDA. The dogs should have the valid EU readable microchip 21 days before the trip.
More info at the USDA web site.

I used this company - www.acepetmoving.com, they are very good. More info about USDA requirements at - http://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Thanks for your response. I am still in the US, so I assumed they would be traveling with me, either via Queen Elizabeth Cunard, or air cargo hold. I'm not sure which would be better. I would be coming from NC. I'm a bit concerned about costs, but I'm more worried about finding the least stressful mode of travel for them. Thanks for all the info. Margaret
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Do make sure any microchip can be read by European scanners and not American ones. Some people have had last minute panics over this when bringing in their pets. Also make sure the microchip is inserted before the rabies vaccination is done, otherwise it's void and would have to be done again, possibly to the detriment of your pet. The bvet links that JMarple and Meloncollie provided will tell you what the Swiss need here.

What type of dogs are you bringing?
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Just wanted to add that the EU standard microchip can be purchased online (but when you see the size of the needle, you'll let your vet insert it!)

http://www.pettravelstore.com/produc...Microchip.html

I don't know how much has changed, but the US standard used to be different than the EU standard, and many US vets only carry the US standard (which makes sense). Also, having both the US and EU microchips in the same animal is not a problem (we did it with our dog).

I also second the air travel-much less stressful, at least for the dog. Just make sure all of your connections have a pet cargo hold. When we arrived, SFO to Munich or Frankfurt was okay, but Frankfurt to Zurich had a pet cargo hold and Munich to Zurich did not.
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

MHorn, when flying with pets in cargo it is generally recommended that if at all possible one should take a direct flight. The stress points (for the dog) are take off and landing - in between most dogs settle, assuming you have put in the time to acclimate them to their crates. A direct flight also helps reduces the stress/nail biting for the owner.

If you don't live near an airport with a direct flight to Zürich consider driving to a city that does, if possible.

(Since you haven't mentioned breed... If a dog is less than 8kg including travel crate he may fly in the cabin with you. Larger than 8kg+ crate the pet must travel cargo.)

I use a professional pet shipper when flying with my dogs - it's expensive, but well worth the peace of mind, IMO.

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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

We moved six years ago from Chapel Hill (Raleigh). In fact, it was six years ago last week. Were i to do this again, i might use a professional, but we fid it ourselves. My dog was not quite 3 at the time. Our dog was young, our dog sitter helped us - we left the day before and waited in Zurich for the pup.

Also, at that time Continental still existed and they had a "pet safe" program, where the dog was kept in a climate controlled van till baggage was loaded. She did fly Raleigh to Newark, Newark to Zurich. At Newark, she was taken off the flight and had a break in a secure kennel. We couldn't see her even if we went on the same flights. She arrived safe and sound, her usual crazy self.

I did have her chipped in the US with a european chip, but the vet here couldn't find it, so she had to have another chip here.

It cost almost $900, expedited cargo (i paid extra for the kenneling).

I don't even know which airline has continental's assets and if they still have the program. I understood, though might be wrong, that some airlines require you to use a professional shipper.

It is best to have a single flight, but it may not be feasible. If you have a young, healthy dog, connections may be ok. I would definitely talk to the airlines and pet transporters.
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Re: Best way to bring/transport two dogs from US?

Another reason for taking a direct flight if possible is if your pet is checked at the stopover point. I know for example that if you fly into Heathrow your pet will be taken into the Arc (Animal Reception Centre) to be checked against the paperwork even if the UK isn't your final destination. In edot's missing microchip example, if they couldn't find the chip they probably wouldn't allow your pet to continue on it's journey. So you'd either have to travel on to your destination without a dog and try and sort things out from that end or miss your flight and have to rebook yourself and your pet once everything's sorted out. Whereas if you have a direct flight, even if there is a problem once you land, at least you and your pets will be in the same country to sort the problem out. I don't know if other stopover airports would do the same, but it's something to think about when making your booking.
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Another reason for taking a direct flight if possible is if your pet is checked at the stopover point. I know for example that if you fly into Heathrow your pet will be taken into the Arc (Animal Reception Centre) to be checked against the paperwork even if the UK isn't your final destination. In edot's missing microchip example, if they couldn't find the chip they probably wouldn't allow your pet to continue on it's journey. So you'd either have to travel on to your destination without a dog and try and sort things out from that end or miss your flight and have to rebook yourself and your pet once everything's sorted out. Whereas if you have a direct flight, even if there is a problem once you land, at least you and your pets will be in the same country to sort the problem out. I don't know if other stopover airports would do the same, but it's something to think about when making your booking.
It's a good point, but for people traveling from the US, stoppover within the US isn't an issue.
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It's a good point, but for people traveling from the US, stoppover within the US isn't an issue.
Of course not, but I was thinking of the European end as the stopover as in swiss_in_training's example. I don't know how strict Frankfurt or Munich would be against the Heathrow example, but it's all info needed for planning the trip.
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