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Old 11.09.2013, 18:26
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

Yes, that is the back-up plan. Fortunately we know that neither customs nor the Commune here will create trouble- but when she moves on to another part of Switzerland, it could catch up with her. So best try to get it sorted out properly. If necessary we will get our old vet in the UK (different to hers in different town) to help.
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Old 11.09.2013, 21:15
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

I miss Jimmijoe every day since i had to give him away. I cry and sometimes in the morning think he is sleeping beside me.

He is now living, and is loved, by a couple who are retired. He has a garden and fields all around. They just adore him. I promised that cat that i would never let him down, and i did. But life changes and he would not have been a happy kitten.

Don't think that people that have to give their animals away are nasty and selfish. We are not. If i could he would be with me right now.
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I miss Jimmijoe every day since i had to give him away. I cry and sometimes in the morning think he is sleeping beside me.

He is now living, and is loved, by a couple who are retired. He has a garden and fields all around. They just adore him. I promised that cat that i would never let him down, and i did. But life changes and he would not have been a happy kitten.

Don't think that people that have to give their animals away are nasty and selfish. We are not. If i could he would be with me right now.
Someone in North Carolina surrendered a pup in 2005, and we adopted her. We joke a lot that it was probably an inbred redneck (the person had too many animals and our pup was likely abused). But the truth is, I don't know anything about the person who had my Lily before we did - except they called her "Creamer" (white face, I guess).

Many of you have rescues, and while you'd never give up your pets if you could absolutely avoid it, sometimes crap happens. With the best intentions, I hope, people here judge a little too harshly, a little too quickly. We clearly love our animals. Nevertheless, we've benefitted from someone else's poor judgment or bad luck.
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

Most of the people on this planet wouldn't be able to see the screen through tears of laughter if I were to show them this thread.

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Old 12.09.2013, 14:47
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Are you suggesting a little brown child has less worth than a dancing (if puzzled) dog?

I'm shocked sir. Shocked.

(Just in case you didn't see how shocked I am)
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

I have made both decisions. A few years ago my spouse had an opportunity in the Netherlands. We had two dogs who were of a "dangerous breed." I knew finding homes for two especially one with health issues and the other with mental issues (rescued from a fighting ring, used as bait) would be impossible, so I stayed behind in the states rather than re-home them. It was not ideal for the marriage but it all worked out.

For this opportunity, I had one "dangerous breed" pup and a human toddler to consider. We made the decision to take this opportunity. Since I am no longer in the workplace, my spouse's career is very important for the good of the family.

Having said that, I did everything possible to make sure she wound up in a good home. I took her to training classes, worked with a no-kill rescue group, and delayed my move out here (spouse was here for a few months) to make sure she was in my home with me until she found a new home. She never entered a shelter system. Her adopters were fully vetted by the no-kill rescue group. In fact, one of her new adopters is wheelchair bound and the training I did with her is what made her new adopters choose her. It was one of the most difficult decisions I have ever made and have already informed my spouse that once this assignment ends and we return to the states, we will never move to a country that is not welcoming of our preferred breed of rescue dog.

It hurts to see ads about pets losing their homes because of new babies, moving to local places that don't allow pets, etc. Having been through it, I want to still be able to judge and say but my circumstance was extreme and I did this, this, and this, but in the end, I still failed as a pet parent and I will never make that decision again.
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Old 12.09.2013, 15:15
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Yes, that is the back-up plan. Fortunately we know that neither customs nor the Commune here will create trouble- but when she moves on to another part of Switzerland, it could catch up with her. So best try to get it sorted out properly. If necessary we will get our old vet in the UK (different to hers in different town) to help.
Odile, I think the best option for all concerned, is to get a letter from your old vet stating that the amputation was carried out for medical reasons. I fear that if you attempt to circumnavigate the problem, the outcome could be to the detriment of you all. Good luck!
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Old 12.09.2013, 15:37
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

Yes- we are very lucky to have a good friend who is a vet in UK- as daughter's old vet cannot be traced (he retired due to ill health and sold up). It makes me feel sick to think what if we didn't have the right contacts. Slinky is about 12 years old, and no way could she ever leave him behind.
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We are having a bit of nightmare too, as one of our daughters is coming to join us in Switzerland. Her rescue dachshund had his tail amputated in the middle about 8 years ago, as it was broken twice and causing pain and not healing at an angle. Problem is, she now lives in another European country- the Cantonal vet here insists on having a letter from the vet in UK stating what happened and how the decision was made to amputate. He has now retired and sold up, and no notes were kept, certainly not from that long ago.

She will of course not leave him, come what may- and we are doing everything we can to get the authorities to accept him into CH. Would be easy if coming by car via our border crossing, but he will have to be flown in.
I have had 1 rescue brought into CH and 1 leaving CH with cut tails (1 cut from living on the street, the other broken and then died off I guess . Not a single soul looked at it so I wouldnt worry bout it. specially cause of the breed....now if it was a dobermann or something like that there might be issues
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Old 15.09.2013, 10:16
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Re: A dog's for life not just for 'your move'

I wouldn't go where my cats can't go, since I will struggle to have children, they are my Ersatz children. One if them us lying on my belly right now, purring, like she does every morning as soon as she hears I'm awake. She never wakes me up. Having said that, some cases for giving up pets are understandable and the owner puts in a lot of effort. Relocating to a different part of Switzerland is NOT a good reason, plenty of places accept pets and plenty of cantons still allow most dogs. I think that if you are prone to moves or think you might be the type of person who might move countries, then getting a 'controversial' dog breed might warrant reconsidering. I know Rottweilers and AmStaffs are actually sweet, engaging, loving dogs if treated well but they are sadly often owned as a status symbol by yobs or young people who handle them wrongly.

Some of the stories I read on here make me angry because it does sound like the pet is a moveable object rather than a sentient being.
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I would have thought the relationship that is built between a pet and the owner is similar to that of a child.

Ultimately that pet puts all its trust and love, unconditionally, into the owner. They have no concept of things being differently.

A relationship between 2 adults - whether as lovers or merely friends - is different. Both parties understand that the friendship or relationship can be broken at any time.
I really appreciate the sentiment behind this post. I would also like to point out, however, that one could also take the position that attachment does run deep (deeper than having a concept), not just in animals but also in humans.
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Old 15.09.2013, 15:26
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I would have thought the relationship that is built between a pet and the owner is similar to that of a child.

Ultimately that pet puts all its trust and love, unconditionally, into the owner. They have no concept of things being differently.

A relationship between 2 adults - whether as lovers or merely friends - is different. Both parties understand that the friendship or relationship can be broken at any time.

Dogs are not like humans, we tend to say they love us, miss us, are happy to see us etc, but they are not. They have instincts, they get excited when we come home, they whine when we leave the house because they get bored and can not roam free. It is quite normal for their wild brothers to change the pack for different reasons.

HOWEVER, I am a human and I love my dog, I miss her when I'm away, I am happy to see her again in the evening, so the relationship would be comparable to a mother-child relationship from my side, which is why I would never give my dog away.

So if they find a good home, it does not permanently damage them to be rehomed.
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Old 15.09.2013, 16:38
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Most of the people on this planet wouldn't be able to see the screen through tears of laughter if I were to show them this thread.

Just for your information:

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CHILD

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Ditto, I find the OP a bit silly, especially the bit about suggesting regulations on expats moving with animals. Yes, people love their pets and that is a great thing, but they do not take priority over your life or that of your family, and if they do then your priorities are skewed. If moving to a place that you know will provide a better life for you and your children, an opportunity that can't be missed (or avoided), means you lose your beloved pet, then what takes priority... your dog and the human emotions you have attached to him, or making life better for you and your "real human" family? I can't see how that wouldn't be deemed good and reasonable grounds to give up any pet.

A dog is an animal, and while it may be heartbreaking to see it go, it will love the next owner just as much as it loved you as long as it is well-fed and well-cared for... no matter which country it is in. If you ensure it is given a good home, then I fail to see what the problem is from the perspective of the treatment of that animal.

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