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I read a study somewhere that the labs where associated to the most biting accidents, compared to other races.

The study emphasised that it was not because labs are more aggressive than other dogs, but simply because they are the most populare breed. So the sheer number of them explains why there's more bites reported.
That would make sense. They are undoubtedly one of the more popular breeds. My aunt owns labs and I have never had an issue with the breed itself though not my preference due to their popularity.

It's just been odd that of all the dogs we encounter out and about that it's been three labs who have charged over and pounced on us.
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It's just been odd that of all the dogs we encounter out and about that it's been three labs who have charged over and pounced on us.
In my case it's chihuahuas I still remember when a tiny 3 mo chi jumped at my dog's head and bit her nose!

Just yesterday we crossed one on the street and it tried pouncing on my dogs, barking furously.
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Old 19.12.2013, 13:04
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In my case it's chihuahuas I still remember when a tiny 3 mo chi jumped at my dog's head and bit her nose!

Just yesterday we crossed one on the street and it tried pouncing on my dogs, barking furously.
Yeah I think these Chi's are victims of some of their owners over mothering. They can become very spoilt, unsociable and snappy.
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Old 19.12.2013, 13:19
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JBZ86 - thanks for the information. That helps a lot.

I think we would have to live with a commute - I don't think two lab's in an apartment would work out Is there an area on the outskirts of Zurich you would recommend looking at (we are still figuring out where everything is)?

With the dogwalking costs - to be honest, thats not much worse than we pay in London! Maybe I should change careers
Well I know people with two boxers in an apartment, albeit a larger apartment on ground level with garden access. In fact there are apartments free here at reduced rates due to temp contracts of 12-18month. It's in Kilchberg next to a large dog walking field and easily accessible to city if you are interested.

Otherwise as others have suggested and tracing rail / commuter lines back from place of work will pin down your options based on distance, suitability, etc

I am not too familiar with the real outer skirts area's. I live in Kilchberg and find it suits all my needs for dog ownership, distance to city and other necessities.

I just changed career actually and my love of dogs did make me ponder dog daycare services too with those rates
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Re: How Dog friendly is Zurich?

OK so I have skimmed the thread, sorry. Having two Labs ourself and coming from North of London I can share our experience.

We were able to find a place with a garden. It is difficult but not impossible however, we live in Oberland region so a car necessary and travel into Zurich 30 mins. Comparing my London commute this is really nothing! Trains run every 15 to 30 mins and we still have loads of walks, forest and places the dogs can be dogs.

That said, my experience on friendliness of people all depends on where you walk. Some people are happy for you to let your dogs run off the line (not technically allowed in some areas btw) and other people will not even allow you to walk near their property. Scope out your areas. Happy to share privately where we live and places I find better for dogs now we have been here 3 years.

Yes there is dog tax, however, facilities are well funded here. Bins are abundant so there really is no excuse not to clean up after your dogs. Bags come 'free' with the bins too. They are never overflowing either.

Obligatory training is a must even if you have already had the dogs a while. My then 2 year old labbie had to do all her practical training again to get her certificate however, I did not have to sit down and do any theory. They excused our 12 year old labbie from any of the courses. I personally find the obligatory training more common sense, and it really isn't managed well. But still best to do it.

Oh, you will need liability insurance for both dogs just in case.

Vet costs are ridiculous here so be aware. What else.........generally no off line for the dogs in ZH but not even the locals follow this rule. Use common sense i.e. another dog coming towards you on line then make sure your dog is too. I wouldn't recommend allowing them to run free during hunting season. Too many accidents with dogs being shot by mistake.

Finally, we love having the dogs here. It is more expensive than having them in the UK but once people realise the cost and effort you have to go to ensure you fit in to the community people are very very welcoming. And because of these reasons you meet people easily and really get to know the locals. This is how I found it anyway.

Good luck on your decision and move.
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Old 19.12.2013, 13:55
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In my case it's chihuahuas I still remember when a tiny 3 mo chi jumped at my dog's head and bit her nose!

Just yesterday we crossed one on the street and it tried pouncing on my dogs, barking furously.
Im a dog lover but even barking snarling Chi's get under my skin. Owners often don't train or guide these dogs to not behave this way I assume due to their size and its all manageable etc. If my dogs EVER behaved like this, due to their size, I am pretty sure I'd have the police around my place.

Sorry I know a heavily debated subject but its the whole small dog syndrome etc.
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By Outskirts....... you mean WAY out of Zurich.

This however is still not so bad.

My advice would be to use Google maps and follow the train lines.
eg. If you even lived in Luzern, the train is something like 45mins to Zurich.
(which is almost as fast as the outer 'tram' lines within Zurich).

If you know where your work will be, find the train station closest, and check which trains run through there, and then follow them back.

Outskirts of Zurich, I'd look at:
District 9 - Triemli, Albisrieden
District 10 - Höngg
District 7 - Witikon

These places back onto forested area's so where you lose with the garden, you'll win with excellent areas to walk your dogs.
They are a bit cheaper, so set your expectations low.
To be fair, within Zurich, ground floor apartments with a garden is about all you'll probably be able to afford.

There is a forum member "Mrs Doolittle" who does relocation, and is also a dog lover.... contacting her would be worthwhile.

JBZ86 has had his fair share of dog issues so his advice is sound when it comes to dealing with the locals and dogs.

Anything that Meloncollie writes about dogs should be worshiped as gospel. End of.

Ok ok, I live even further out and getting to central Zurich within the hour is so doable! If i can do it 8 months pregs and with a pram doing it alone, with your London legs is a breeze!

Try looking at these areas:

Pfäffikon zh (not sz)
Uster
Schwerzenbach
Dübendorf
Meilen
Winterthur
And places close by with a train line.

We live in a 4 bed apartment, with two dogs, two cats, soon to be two babies and my partner works from home. We have fields surrounding us, forests and very easy access (in my opinion compared to London).
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Ok ok, I live even further out and getting to central Zurich within the hour is so doable!
Perhaps my point wasn't so clear.

What I was trying to say is that living further away from Zurich where there is a 'train line', is usually faster to access the centre of Zurich, than living on the outskirts of Zurich where you only have a 'tram line'.
(Hence the Luzern example).

All great examples by the way dhd. I also work with quite a few people from Uster who commute to work faster than I do.
.... it kinda shits me.
(but doesn't really)

The Uster, Pfäffi region is fantastic.
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Also, if there is anything else you think relevant please let me know. I am very keen to move over as its a great city, but we couldnt do it at the expense of our dogs - we love them too much!

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No one has yet to mention anything about your rental budget. This will also affect your ability to find housing. And even if you have a generous budget, there are still challenges.

Dogs being left alone all day if you both go to work is a problem for many property owners. (less so for property owners who own dogs). Even with a dog walker, many owners believe dogs should not be left alone all day. A fenced garden and installation of a dog door (there is a very good model sold in the UK which operates with a sensor on the dog's collar) might be necessary to put these owner's minds at ease. In the winter season you may need lights with timers so your dogs are not in the dark.
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Re: How Dog friendly is Zurich?

We lived quite close to the Limmat, so our Labrador swam every day. During the winter, she swam a fair amount, just not for as long as the rest of the year.

There is a real tick problem in the forests (and even in the fields IN the city where deer roam), and as our Lab loves the water more than anything, we found it easiest to get most of her exercise time in the river. We did have a park across the street from us so we were quite lucky.

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We lived quite close to the Limmat, so our Labrador swam every day. During the winter, she swam a fair amount, just not for as long as the rest of the year.

There is a real tick problem in the forests (and even in the fields IN the city where deer roam), and as our Lab loves the water more than anything, we found it easiest to get most of her exercise time in the river. We did have a park across the street from us so we were quite lucky.

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I often take care of a YorkshireTerrier, and while she loves the water (mainly to drink from) her reaction to become wet allows me to think that some of her ancestors must have been cats how much of such things depends on the dog-race and how much on the "individuals" I really cannot tell
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Re: How Dog friendly is Zurich?

oh ,the dogs are so cute, i think Zurich is very dog friendly too, i was in zuzrich, the people were friendly to the dogs in the street, providing you follow rules and dogs are well behaved. I think any city that allows your dog to go everywhere except in supermarkets is pretty friendly.
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I live in Glattbrugg an I have a beagle who is 1 year old. She stays in the house for 7-8 hours a day and we have a rather large apartment, 3 stories to be exact and she seems happy to roam around in the house sleeping and playing. I come home lunch time since I work very close to home just to take her out for a bit. My wife wakes up early in the morning to take her for a walk.

We have been looking for a place with a garden in Zurich for a while. Its quite hard to find some which is big enough to live in and then you have the price which is ridiculous.

Our neighbor has a Pitbull and a Labrador living in the apartment. It can be done with training.

Here is my little terror haha
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We knew we wouldn't have a garden, so we got a big flat with a big terrace. Lily sleeps on the sofa most of the time when we are gone, but if we have to be gone for a while, we leave a terrace door open just in case there is an emergency.
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Our neighbor has a Pitbull
......sure about that?

All 'bull' breeds tend to get rolled into one from a public perspective, and I'm pretty sure pitbulls are illegal here and have been for some time.

I'm not saying you were saying this is a bad thing, but you can bet your bottom dollar that some 'cat lover' will be along shortly to denounce the so called 'pit bull' and go on about some child killing rant as these threads often do.
All I'm saying is try to be careful when labelling a dog a pitbull, and or, even if it is, it's best just not to say so.


Your Beagle is awesome by the way !!!
Great dog, and thanks for the pic.
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......sure about that?

All 'bull' breeds tend to get rolled into one from a public perspective, and I'm pretty sure pitbulls are illegal here and have been for some time.

I'm not saying you were saying this is a bad thing, but you can bet your bottom dollar that some 'cat lover' will be along shortly to denounce the so called 'pit bull' and go on about some child killing rant as these threads often do.
All I'm saying is try to be careful when labelling a dog a pitbull, and or, even if it is, it's best just not to say so.


Your Beagle is awesome by the way !!!
Great dog, and thanks for the pic.
100% it is a pitbull. I used to have one in Australia. It is a very old pitbull, Im assuming they bought the dog before the law came into place. My neighbor said it is 13 years old. When he walks the dog he puts a mask around its mouth just in case.

Thank you. She is a cutie. A bundle of energy. Shes very photogenic
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Re: How Dog friendly is Zurich?

Just an FYI - the Zürich ban on pit bulls (and Am Staffs, Bullies, Staffies, ABTs, Bandog und Basicdogs, and any dog with 10% DNA match to any of these) came into effect in 1 Jan. 2010.

All dogs affected by the ban legally resident in the canton at that date were Wesenstested to determine their fate. Most passed, thank doG.

The import or breeding of dogs of those breeds is now banned, so the youngest PB or other of the banned bull breeds that you will see in Zürich is now 4 years old.

BSL breaks my heart - good dogs condemned by bad science, bad law, and even worse prejudice. Good on your neighbor for being a responsible owner, Gee - sounds like her doglet is a fine ambassador for the bull breeds.

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TidakApa is right, though, that most people wouldn't know a PB from a labrador. Here's a fun test:

http://www.pickthepit.com

And some sobering reading, one of the reason I so vehemently object to BSL, and Zürich's use of DNA testing in particular:
http://stopbsl.org/bsloverview/impossibleid/
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I used to have one in Australia.
Thanks for clarifying Gee10.
It's great when someone actually knows what they are talking about.

I had an Am-staff X Bull Mastiff and an English Staffy in Australia.

I knew a few Pit Bulls and, well most of them, were pretty damned good.
In every case the dog was not good, the owner was the problem.
This breed can unfortunately attract the wrong people which is the real problem with the breed.
Much like the Subaru WRX

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http://www.pickthepit.com
Such an awesome link !!!

Got it in one and didn't have to think twice.
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Pitbulls are fun loving and very family friendly dogs. Unfortunately the reason why they have such a bad rep is down to the owners. I have seen some owners training their dogs with car tyres around the dogs next to build muscle as if they are bodybuilders. No joke.

Unfortunately people buy dogs and do not know how to train them.

No dog should be put to death and all dogs are trainable. Beagles are considered to be one of the most stubburn dogs in the world and yet we managed to train her. She does not bark nor howl at all. Not even when she see's another dog. Point is if people just invest in some time and patience then most dogs can be saved from the gas chamber. Breaks my heart.
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