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Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

My gorgeous black bitch (just onto 2 years old) is going on heat again. She is truly of great breeding, no breathing problems, doesnt snore, very intelligent and extremely fit. It would be such a waste not to continue the line. I have her papers.

does anyone out there have or know of an equally high quality male for mating?
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Old 27.03.2014, 09:45
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

Hmmm, I might have the perfect dog for you! My dog is the sweetest guy ever! I love him, and everyone that meets him loves him too. He's super friendly: kids, old people, punk teenagers, dogs, cats, squirrels, you name it. He's super smart and knows a bunch of tricks, and has a very attentive expression. Everyone that meets him thinks he's just such a handsome dog. He's got a great energy, loves to run, play, fetches like a rockstar. He's healthy, and certainly doesn't snore! I really wish everyone could experience the same sense of companionship and bond that I have with my awesome dog, so it sure would be a shame to not continue his line also!

Except, I think there might be a problem. He's neutered.

That's because, he's a rescue. And because, in my honest opinion, there are far more awesome potential pets out there who still don't have homes. I don't really understand how ~90% of the dogs I see are unneutered/unspayed purebred dogs in this country... where are all the rescued mutts? I fear the worst fate for all of them in some dark corners of Switzerland.

Sorry, perhaps this is an unduly harsh response... but honestly, having a great pet doesn't mean you should introduce more of them into the world. I hope you already have at least 6 responsible families lined up to take in all those new dynamic black pug puppies.
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

Auslady, I am worried that you would post looking for a stud dog here - this is certainly not the place a knowledgeable breeder, one who is breeding for the good of the line, would look.

First of all, are you a member of the breed club within the SKG/FCI who regulates pug breeding?

In Switzerland most breed clubs require potential breed dogs (bitch and stud) to go through a selection process, called Ankörung, to determine if they are fit for breeding. This entails health testing and temperament testing as well as conformation.

And in Switzerland, most breed clubs will not allow puppies born of a dog/pair who were not properly angekört to be registered with the club -meaning any puppies born outside the club are not considered pedigreed.

(This is different from, say the AKC or British KC which are not so strictly regulated. And one of the reasons why the problem of poor breeding as well as homeless dogs is so much worse in those countries.)

So both you and any potential purchasers of puppies should understand that although your dog is pedigreed, if she is not bred within the SKG breed club's regulations the pups you produce will not themselves be pedigreed.

If you are serious about breeding I would recommend becoming a member of the Mops section of the Zwerghundclub - this is the breed club within the SKG regulating your breed.

http://www.zwerghundeclub.ch/index.php?id=31

Get to know other breeders, get involved in the club, enter their events - and work with them to determine if your dog is fit for breeding or not. If so, enter the Ankörung.

The breed club maintains a list of Deckrüde, dogs who have passed the Ankörung and are considered fit to breed from. The person maintaining this list, as well as keeping the records and registration of litters bred is the cub Züchtwart. This person should be your first contact, once you have joined the club.

The breed clubs maintain not only standards of breeding, but also regulate how a puppy must be raised and socialized, and sold. Most breed clubs require a breeder to subscribe to a code of ethics.

Be aware that the TSchV, the federal animal welfare law, also regulates breeding. Your set-up must meet certain standards - and if you were to breed more than a certain number of litters per year you would fall under commercial breeding, which requires additional education certification.

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Now... as y'all likely know from reading my many posts here on EF, I am not part of the breeding or showing world - rather quite the opposite - rescue is my thing.

So why am I passing along this info? I do so because I am dedicated to rescue. You see, I spend my life picking up the fall-out from indiscriminate breeding, helping the dogs who are the victims of puppy farms, back yard breeders, naive or uninformed folks who don't understand that there is more to breeding that tossing two dogs together. Too many people breed with no thought for what happens after the tie - and too many dogs die, simply because there are not enough homes available for all those born.

(As an example, my beloved breeds - collies and shelties - have been almost ruined by bad breeding. The breeds' genetic and mental health has been severely compromised by those who breed without the knowledge and commitment to do it right. )

I want to see that stopped. And good breeders, the ones who understand the science of genetics, who are dedicated to improving health and temperament, who are committed to ethical breeding - are natural allies in that fight.

So yes - as someone who would myself will only consider adopting homeless rescue dogs, I do support breeders - I support those who do it right, who do so with ethics and responsibility always in the forefront. I want to stop the problem of homeless dogs at the source - which means those who produce the dogs.

Those of us who love our dogs, who want the best for them, who believe every dog born deserves a healthy happy life with his forever family, breeders and rescuers alike, should be working more closely together. For our dogs' sake.

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So, Auslady - if you are going to breed, please do it right.

Join the Zwerghundclub, get your dog properly angekört. Select a stud whose health, temperament, and line are a good match with yours. Once you are a member in good standing, work with the Zuchtwart to develop a waiting list of potential purchasers for your future puppies - because you must ensure before the litter is even born that every puppy has a good home to go to, a forever home, no matter what happens in those families' lives for the next 15 years.

I support ethical, responsible breeders - because I don't want any other dogs to suffer as mine have. I don't want to see any more broken, abused, unhealthy dogs ending up in rescue.

I long for the day when there is no need for rescue, because the only puppies born are happy healthy puppies from good breeders who ensure that their pups go only to people who are committed to them, their entire lives long.
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Old 27.03.2014, 19:02
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

Hey Guys - find out the facts first before you start ramming your opinions down someones throat!

Due to lack of time I will make this fast:

1. my beige pug is in fact a rescue. she is not neutred because she is infertile and the breeder was actually going to drown her. As she grew it was obvoius that she needed a hip operation. CHF 3000 - and worth every cent. A beautiful face but unfortunately over breed

2. my black pug has just come into my possession and is not yet even registered in my name. She belonged to a friend who was very ill and could no longer cope. While my friend was hospitalised I had the dog stay with me. With 2 years of age she wasnt even house trained but after a short time with me we solved that one because she is an intelligent dog (but in my opinion all pugs are). When my friend came out of hospital she decided that she would have to give the dog to a home - as she was already so much a part of our family (and dearly loved by and attached to one of my 'somewhat' hyperactive kids - I simply could not let that happen and have now claimed her as mine.

because of her age and bad training (training issue solved) no-one else wanted her but alot of friends (mine and ex owner) have voiced their interested in taking a pup - should I breed.

Back home I successfully bred and showed Pugs and bred Rottweilers. I know what I am doing and PLEASE - my looking for a mate was obviously going to be very very selective. I could not have a litter come out like my beige one.

We all seriously love both dogs and they are well cared for and quite spoilt.
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

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does anyone out there have or know of an equally high quality male for mating?
Since Meloncollie has helped out with the responsible and more serious reply, my honest first thought was "does he have to like KFC"? (Sorry, couldn't resist)
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My mate Per has been looking for a suitable pug bitch for some time now. He has a Dutch Smoushond which he wants to breed with a pug to create a new line specially for expats in Switzerland.

The resulting puppies would be known as the Swiss smughound.

He thinks they'll be very popular. What do you think?
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

Auslady, you've got to admit that it looks odd (and not exactly confidence-inspiring) for an experienced reputable breeder like yourself to be looking for a stud on random expat forums, rather than starting with - oh, maybe the local breed association??

Also, to be looking for something right away ("my bitch is going on heat, anybody got a suitable dog?") rather than planning months or years in advance... again, this is not really the MO of most serious breeders. Maybe you are one, I don't know you, but you've got to admit your post didn't exactly give that impression - and thus the tone of the responses was pretty understandable. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

Just had a thought: my nearly 13yr. old Cocker has got all his bits, but has never got his rocks off.
He's a bit lame - physically and metaphorically, but has all the right papers.

I don't think he'd mind an ugly one - at his age he can't be too fussy, and doesn't know any different, anyway.
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Re: Black dynamic pure bred black pug looking to mate

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My mate Per has been looking for a suitable pug bitch for some time now. He has a Dutch Smoushond which he wants to breed with a pug to create a new line specially for expats in Switzerland.

The resulting puppies would be known as the Swiss smughound.

He thinks they'll be very popular. What do you think?
Funny that, my mate owned a duck and an other mate owned a horse.

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