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Old 09.06.2009, 18:48
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

The federal law has passed the first chamber of parliament today: Swissinfo article
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Sigh...

Although it has been pretty obvious that this would happen, I still am saddened.

One provision that worries me greatly: vets would be mandated to report incidents of aggression. As every owner and every vet knows, when a dog is in pain, he/she could behave out of character... and when does the dog see a vet? When in pain.

This provision has the potential to turn the vet/owner relationship into an adversarial one.

(I would suggest that each of you dog owners have a chat with your vet - find out exactly how your vet intends to implement this policy, should it become law.)

The same can be said if trainers and behaviorists are included in the mandatory reporters. If one feels it necessary to address behavior issues, what does a responsible owner do? Call on a professional for help. But, if the trainer/behaviorist is required to report the dog, how can you trust him/her to help you?

Both provisions are actually counterproductive to promoting responsible ownership.

And what exactly, pray tell, constitutes an 'incident of aggression'? Before instituting mandatory reporters, I'd like to see some kind of objective definition.
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I also got quite angry at the video linked to the article (discussing the Zürich cantonal law). The use of 'dangerous dogs' as if such a definition were a given made my blood boil. Yes, there are a few dangerous individuals, of both the human and canine ilk...( and those should be dealt individually as current law already allows)... but to label entire breeds is as wrong as it is to label an entire group of people.

Like the slogan says, 'Deed, not breed.'
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Old 09.06.2009, 22:34
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

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Sigh...

Although it has been pretty obvious that this would happen, I still am saddened.

One provision that worries me greatly: vets would be mandated to report incidents of aggression. As every owner and every vet knows, when a dog is in pain, he/she could behave out of character... and when does the dog see a vet? When in pain.

This provision has the potential to turn the vet/owner relationship into an adversarial one.

(I would suggest that each of you dog owners have a chat with your vet - find out exactly how your vet intends to implement this policy, should it become law.)

The same can be said if trainers and behaviorists are included in the mandatory reporters. If one feels it necessary to address behavior issues, what does a responsible owner do? Call on a professional for help. But, if the trainer/behaviorist is required to report the dog, how can you trust him/her to help you?

Both provisions are actually counterproductive to promoting responsible ownership.

And what exactly, pray tell, constitutes an 'incident of aggression'? Before instituting mandatory reporters, I'd like to see some kind of objective definition.
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I also got quite angry at the video linked to the article (discussing the Zürich cantonal law). The use of 'dangerous dogs' as if such a definition were a given made my blood boil. Yes, there are a few dangerous individuals, of both the human and canine ilk...( and those should be dealt individually as current law already allows)... but to label entire breeds is as wrong as it is to label an entire group of people.

Like the slogan says, 'Deed, not breed.'
Interesting that they voted for compulsory third party dog insurance when the association of insurance companies have said they are against this.
Would be funny if it passed into law & the insurance companies refused to offer it; unlikely scenario.....

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Old 10.06.2009, 12:16
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Just a thought;
In the original tragic event that triggered all of this the dog owner was not Swiss (Italian maybe?).
Even Swiss people are poorly informed today about the new mandatory rules on courses for dog owners.

The irony of all this for me is; How likely is it that such a non-Swiss dog owner will even be aware of any new laws?
Since the introduction of chips it is no longer practical for police to even check if a dog is registered; since none of them have chip readers. The only time I was out with the dogs & was asked if they were chipped was at a border control. Of course they also had no chip reader to confirm my answer.

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Old 10.06.2009, 22:24
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

The law and parliament got a good bashing from NZZ today. The journalist accuses the discrimination of dog owners compared with other pet owners and the redundancy of the law which covers many rules that already exist in animal protection regulations. The law also fails to provide standardisation and lacks new ideas. The journalist hopes that the voters will reject the new law - The voters will have to vote about it because it is an addition to the constitution.

In a neighbouring article a parliamentarian of the voting minority states that the existing legislation was sufficient to take the dogs away and avoid the tragic attack.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

A correction to post 216 (can't seem to edit old posts...)

It came up in another thread that the list of restricted breeds in Tessin incorrectly lists the British Bulldog (Bulldog Inglese), where it should be the American Bulldog (Bulldog Americano).


The list as given on the TI cantonal website:

http://www.ti.ch/DSS/DSP/UffVC/temi/...one/R_cani.pdf


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a) Terrier di tipo bull
- Bull Terrier
- Staffordshire Bull Terrier
- American Staffordshire Terrier
- American pit bull

b) Molossoidi
- Rottweiler
- Fila brasileiro
- Dogo argentino
- Alano (Deutsche Dogge)
- Bulldog americano
- Dogue de Bordeaux
- Mastiff
- Bullmastiff
- Mastino napoletano
- Tosa Inu
- Cane Corso
- Cane pastore del Caucaso
- Cane pastore della Ciarplanina
- Cane pastore dell'Asia centrale
- Cane da pastore dell'Anatolia
- Mastino del Tibet

c) Cani da pastore
- Pastore tedesco
- Pastori belga (Groenendael, Laekenois, Malinois, Tervueren)
- Pastore olandese
- Cane lupo cecoslovacco
- Pastore della Beauce
- Komondor
- Kuvasz
- Pastore dei Tatra
- Pastore della Russia meridionale

d) Altre razze
- Dobermann


Sorry for the incorrect info on the earlier post.
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Old 11.08.2009, 17:13
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A correction to post 216.....
Good to hear that - but still ridic, American Bulldogs are mainly soft old slobberdogs .
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Old 02.09.2009, 00:20
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Well, fellow Schwyzers...

As of today, anyone who lets his/her dog off lead could be subject to a CHF100 fine. From the 20 Minuten:

http://www.20min.ch/news/luzern/story/15940463

Schwyz has had a general leash law for all public areas for many years now,

(In öffentlichen Anlagen, auf öffentlichen Wegen und im Strassenverkehr sind Hunde an der Leine zu führen. Ausgenommen sind Hunde beim Viehtrieb. § 2 Abs. 1 Hundegesetz/SZ)

but many dog owners ignore this in open fields and trails, and a few misguided folks flaunt it more built up areas. So, on the spot fines will now be handed out.

Oh, and it's a CHF 50 fine if you are caught not picking up.

This could get interesting, as the SZ canton wide on-lead policy goes directly against the Federal Animal Protection Law of 2008. According to the 20min article, several groups, including the STS, will be launching a protest.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Heads up for owners in Schaffhausen:

Canton Schaffhausen is discussing the expansion of their list of potentially dangerous dogs to include the following breeds:

Cane corso, Dobermann, Dogo Argentino, Fila Brasileiro, Mastiff, Mastín Español, Mastino Napoletano, Presa Canario (Dogo Canario), Rottweiler und Tosa.

(At present, the Staffie, Amstaff, Bullterrier and Pitbull are the only breeds on the list.)

Mixes of these breeds would also be included.

Ownership of any breed or mix of these breeds would require a special permit. See:


http://www.sh.ch/News.316.0.html?&tx...ash=d7f9f8d758

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Old 03.09.2009, 18:15
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Strange, so in TI a Deutchse Dogge is not allowed whereas his Danish cousin is (or is this the same dog)?

Furthermore, if you add all lists together, are there any dogs left with a shoulder height of say 30 cm that are allowed to walk free?

I guess every reported bite attack that attracts media attention will now get the breed concerned on one of these lists.....I can’t wait for the first vicious Chihuahua attack

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[COLOR=black]Strange, so in TI a Deutchse Dogge is not allowed whereas his Danish cousin is (or is this the same dog)?

I believe the Alano, Deutsche Dogge and Great Dane are one and the same dog.

Gentle giants - all those I've met have been big softies, with even bigger hearts. The only risk a Dane could pose to the unsuspecting public is trailing slobber... Lovely dogs.

The list is madness.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

I was told if somebody or even a cat tresspassed on your property and the dog bit the person/cat, you are legally and financially responsible for the injury. How can this be? Your dog was not tresspassing and was just guarding its territory.

Don't understand.

Plus I don't understand why there's only a tax on dogs in this country and not on the cats who spread toxioplasmosis, dig up our gardens and execrate in our son's sandpit.
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Plus I don't understand why there's only a tax on dogs in this country and not on the cats who spread toxioplasmosis, dig up our gardens and execrate in our son's sandpit.
I agree.

Hateful creatures, aren't they?
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Plus I don't understand why there's only a tax on dogs in this country and not on the cats who spread toxioplasmosis, dig up our gardens and execrate in our son's sandpit.
Darn right. You find those cats and together we'll lobby the gemeinde to tax 'em. Especially for execrating.

Er, how do you know those cats have been spreading tox(i)oplasmosis, by the way?

EDIT: It's the same situation where you (and I) come from, by the way -- dogs have to be registered (which costs money), cats don't.
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I agree.

Hateful creatures, aren't they?
Pedantic?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Hi guys I have been trawling through post and I kinda the gist however I want to make double sure before I beg my landlord for me to be allowed to have my dog come over!

He is a 2yr old cross breed ... English Staffy in the mix, no idea what else (rescued him from a bin bag as a pup)
He is fully vaccinated and passported up so all good to go.

Is his breed allowed over here? I am living near Affolten A/Am so Zurich canton?!
Also if his breed is allowed over here will he have to wear a muzzle and short leash when being walked? does this include country walks?

Thanks for your help in advance
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Hi Greenlady,

Under current ZH cantonal regs, staffies and staffies crosses (and APBTs, ABs and EBDs and dogs crossed with these breeds) are restricted. See:

http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...ht/zuerich.php

Dogs of these breeds must be kept on lead and muzzled when out in public. This includes public places throughout the canton. Some other cantons have similar BSL restrictions, some do not. For instance, you could walk your dog unmuzzled but on-lead in canton SZ, SZ imposes leash laws on all dogs of any breed. In ZG, perhaps the most liberal (dog-wise) canton, your dog could run free.

One may apply for to have this restriction lifted when in canton ZH, however, by successfully passing a Wesenstest and jumping though a few more hoops. For more info see:

http://stadt-zurich.ch/content/dam/s...ierungsrat.pdf

(page 8)


BUT... be aware that last November the citizens of canton ZH voted to ban those four breeds completely.

A new law will have to be written to implement this, it is expected sometime in 2010. Which means that after the enforcement date you will not be allowed to import a dog of these four breeds, or cross thereof, into the canton.

I would assume that affected dogs already registered in the canton will be grandfathered subject to existing restrictions. But until the new law has been presented we have no idea of what it will entail - at this point it's just guesswork.

Now... as your dog is a mix... do you know for certain he has staffie in the mixture? (Is that your dog in your avatar?)

And, as I don't live in ZH... Can any staffie - or other listed breed or mix - owners comment on how the law is actually enforced in ZH? Have any of you taken the test to be freed from the muzzle/on-lead restriction? Any first hand info would be great.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Yes that is my doggy in the Avatar, so unfortunately he looks remarkably like a Staffy.

My dad is however a vet so I guess if he signs the paperwork to say that he is just a standard cross breed maybe that will be ok?!?! dont want to be dodgy tho :/

Would be great if there is a way to allow him to be off the muzzle as he is fully train etc, and not at all hyper or badly behaved!!

Thanks for all the info on my questions
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

greenlady, your dog looks great but factor in that you will get a moderate amount of annoyance with such a dog in Switzerland - but don't let that put you off!

If your dog is neutered and you have whatever paperwork necessary, you'll be able to bring him in; if you've done courses and have paperwork, bring that in.

You will need to muzzle him but you might find certain places where you can get away without it. I would, if I lived in ZH, leave the house with hound muzzled and then take it off somewhere later (keeping the dog on leash). Retractable leashes should also be ok.

I would simply say apply common sense and live in SZ, sorry, play it by ear.

I have to admit that I have only once seen what could've been a mix without a muzzle in ZH - certainly in the city. In the Boonies, it might be a whole other ballpark you're playing on.

Most importantly, don't let it put you off bringing your little fella with you.

What exactly does your passport for the dog state? This could be quite important...
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Old 13.11.2009, 14:34
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

According to the newspapers today Zurich have confirmed Rottweilers will not be banned.

The banned list is unchanged, that is (Bull Terrier, American Bull Terrier, American Pit Bull Terrier, Pit Bull Terrier & crosses)
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich/...story/31111345
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