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The new dog law in Geneva

Hi everyone,

Just wondering if anyone has any useful information on what exactly happened in Geneva this weekend concerning the new dog vote? I tried going through the SGPA information in French, but I didn’t quite get some of the details.. Like.. if you dog weight more then 25 kilos it need to take an attitude exam every year in order for the owner to keep the license? Does anyone know what exactly the attitude test is?

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Re: The new dog law in Geneva

See the Tribune de Geneve:

http://www.tdg.ch/pages/home/tribune...ontenu)/198162

And from the Tages Anzeiger:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/dyn/news...iz/844846.html
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By a 65% majority, Genevans voted to completely ban so-called 'dangerous' dogs, and to require owners of all dogs over 25 kilos to obtain a permit in order to keep their dogs.

This would likely supercede the law put into effect last June which required owners of listed dogs to report their dogs and obtain a permit, as well as made training classes obligatory for all dog owners.

It is expected that it will take a year for this newest law to come into force.

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Don't have any further details yet; I'll try to post more info (probably on the Federal Dog Control thread) when I find it.

Here are the current regs for Geneva, from the media reports I'd guess ban would affect the listed breeds (and crosses thereof) as given here:

http://etat.geneve.ch:80/dt/site/agr...ntId=kmelia321

Your best bet would be to contact the Cantonal Veterinary Office for specific information:

Service de la consommation et des affaires vétérinaires
22 Quai Ernest Ansermet
1205 Genève
Téléphone : 022 327 39 00


Edited to add:

Further information, according to Swissinfo:

http://www.swissinfo.org/fre/actuali...49448000&ty=st

Les Genevois ont par ailleurs approuvé l'initiative sur l'interdiction des molosses par 65% des voix.

L'objectif était simple: bannir de l'ensemble du canton les chiens d'attaque sous peine de séquestre et d'euthanasie. L'interdiction n'est pas rétroactive et ne s'applique par conséquent pas aux 660 molosses qui se trouvent déjà sur le territoire. Les initiants souhaitaient diminuer le nombre de morsures qui causent de graves blessures.


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There will be a canton-wide ban on the breeds designated as so-called dangerous dogs; non-compliance risks having the dog seized and euthanized. BUT the ban will not be retroactive, and will not apply to the 660 listed breed/cross dogs currently registered in the canton.
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I'd assume that current owners of listed breeds have already applied for permits, as per the June 07 law...

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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Further to the above post, here is the text of the referendum recently passed:

http://www.geneve.ch/legislation/mod...200-IN137.html

(Rough Translation)

1. Dogs of the listed breeds or crosses thereof will be banned within the canton.

(See the cantonal veterinary office website given in the post above for the list of banned breeds)

2. The ban applies to dogs trained to attack, to those who display aggresion or to those whose lineage presents genetic characteristics of aggression.

3. Large dogs, over 25kg in weight, could present a potential for danger. They must be registered, must show adequate training, and authorization to keep them must be obtained from the competent authorities. This permit will be granted following a test to evaluate the dog's behavior, and the ability of the owner to control the dog in all circumstances.

4. Police and border guards are still allowed to use pedigreed guard dogs.

5. Failure to comply with points 1 and 2, as well as article 182, point 2, will risk having the dog seized, and if necessary euthanized.

6. A yearly evaluation of the enforcement of this law must be reported to the council of state.

Article 182, point 2: Transitional provisions:

The ban outlined in point 1 and 2 does not apply to dog currently legally resident in the canton. At the time the initiative takes force, owners of listed breeds (and crosses) will have a 1 year grace period to obtain a permit to keep their dog. Dogs of the listed breeds and crosses must be kept on lead and muzzled in public, and must be castrated or sterilized.

And, a good summary from Le Temps:

http://www.letemps.ch/template/regio...article=225470

ETA:

Just noticed the photo used in the Le Temps article, captioned 'Un pitbull et un rottweiler'.

Um...err... not even close. This is one of the many things that galls me about BSL - few people can correctly identify breeds, yet they are all fired up to ban dogs based on breeding/physical/genetic characteristics alone. Arrrrrrrgh!

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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

This article from Swissinfo might be of interest to all dog owners:

http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/D...29410000&ty=st

The author points out that the Geneva vote could prove the model for introducing tougher laws throughout Switzerland, using popular referendum to push through legislation where the Bund or cantons have rejected or stopped short of such measures.

As you might recall, Geneva passed a more moderate law (if you call any BSL moderate, which I don't... but I digress...) last June. Under those measures, owners of listed breeds/crosses were required to obtain permits, but the law stopped short of a breed ban. Also, all dog owners were required to attend classes, and all who offer dog walking services to obtain a license. A compromise of sorts.

But apparently that wasn't enough - the hard core anti-dog group wanted nothing short of a total ban, so brought the issue to public referendum. Which, as discussed in the posts above, passed last week by a 65% majority.

Similar popular initiatives are now expected to be launched in other cantons. From the article, a quote from Cathy Maret, spokesperson for the Federal Veterinary Office:

"Looked at more widely, the dangerous dogs issue is more like a "dialogue of the deaf" between the population who want more restrictive measures and the response provided by the vets and dog-lovers, she said. My impression is that if we voted to ban [dangerous] dogs in Switzerland today, there is a high chance that it would pass, she added.

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What I really don't understand is why so few dog owners seem concerned.

In our area locals have formed neighborhood patrols to monitor popular dog walking trails, calling the police to report any off lead dog. Or any dog they don't like the looks of. There have been poisoning incidents locally. Threatening to report or hurt your dog seems to be the new form of neighborhood bullying.

What about all of you? Have you and your dogs been affected? Are you worried?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation


Refreshing to see such a beautiful "killer" dog not snarling and so on, kudos to Swissinfo.

My take on this is that it will PENALISE the honest owner whilst the owner who does not care will STILL NOT CARE. So there we will see a two-tier system with the "normal" person having to work hard, pay and suffer to keep their harmless pet.

On the other hand, the type of person who kept 3 or 4 American PBTs in a tiny room for months and was responsible for their conditioning was solely responsible for the death of the poor little kid.

If only people would listen to BVET on this matter. As the owner of two rescue Amstaffs, how can I produce papers to prove their lineage? And I will get the same breed when my older one departs (she's coming up to 14 years now).....another rescue dog that I already know about.

In the end, they will criminalise me because of my dog - guilty until proven innocent!
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

The only reason this vote passed was because of paranoia and ignorance. How do they plan to handle 15+K dogs over 25kg that will need certification every year.. and that just the dogs + every member of the house hold that will at any point walk the dog will also require a license. I still cant comprehend how such draconian laws get passed, at least they kicked out the mandatory muzzle law.. oh wait.. maybe thats the next step. I always considered Switzerland to be a dog friendly country, so whats happening? I remember being able to go into Manor with my dog.... It would also be interesting to see what exactly are the requirement for passing the license.. and who will be setting those up???
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Drdespair,

According to the Cantonal Veterinary Office website:

http://etat.geneve.ch:80/dt/site/agr...ntId=kmelia321

This is/was the test used to evaluate owners and their 'potentially dangerous' dogs in order to obtain a permit under the 2002 law. While this isn't necessarily the test the new law would require for all dogs over 25kg, it gives some idea of what one should be prepared for.

Text in French can be found on this page by clicking on 'le formulaire d'evaluation'.

(Small mercies - it's nothing like the Wesenstests used in Germany.)

Rough translation:

Each exercise is given points (1, .5, or 0) based on how well the dog/owner perform.

Walking on lead, with two directional changes. (I'd assume this is loose lead walk to heel.)

Walking on lead while passing close to another dog.

Walking on lead while passing close by a person.

Walking to heel offlead.

Sit command. (Doesn't say how long, or whether the dog will be confronted with distractions.)

Down commmand. (Ditto above.)

Owner keeps the dog's attention fixed on him/her.

Manipulations (I'd assume this is someone touching the dog, checking teeth, moving limbs, etc.)

Recall immediately after stimulus. Points given by number of commands needed before dog responds (Don't know what the stimulus is - perhaps another off lead dog or a person suddenly appearing, as in the HHB?)

Ability to wait for a release command. Points based on whether the dog can wait for a 'free' command before running off.

Recall after 1 minute, no stimulus. Points given by number of commands needed before dog responds

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I would stress, however, that this might not be the test used under the new law. I couldn't find any further info.

Several news articles have pointed out that the canton simply doesn't have the manpower/resources to test all 25kg+ dogs in a timely fashion.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

what i find interesting is that dog are supposed to need freedom..while children i am told need limits..
As an owner of a sweet rescue dog allow me to share the following:
why is it the small dogs are often on leash while the larger , more threatening looking ones free?
I believe that leash laws would also protect dog owners as i have heard of quite a few cases where dogs were viciously attacked and owners had to pay for the vet bills, and could do little to the owners of the attacking dogs..
as for rescue dogs, the swiss bring dogs from spain and east europe , and i do think there are enough dogs that need a good home in the shelters so i would recommend dog owners spay their animals, or castrate,
as there are not enough homes for those dogs already in shelters, it is heart breaking to see dogs in shelters barking and crying though for the most part they are treated well compared to other countries
i am surprised people dont spay dogs more as it is healthier for the dog, less cancer, and prevents unwanted puppies whose fate will be an animal shelter most likely if you have 9 and they are not of a certain breed.
While i am on the subject, why do people go for a breed'
It seems to me nature is for a selection process , the survival of the fittest , isnt breeding against that?
arent the healthiest dogs mixed muts?
a friend of mine explained that to me and proceeded to get a dog of a certain breed, labs seem to be in fashion
when did fashion and logic ever go together?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

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what i find interesting is that dog are supposed to need freedom..while children i am told need limits..
As an owner of a sweet rescue dog allow me to share the following:
why is it the small dogs are often on leash while the larger , more threatening looking ones free?
I believe that leash laws would also protect dog owners as i have heard of quite a few cases where dogs were viciously attacked and owners had to pay for the vet bills, and could do little to the owners of the attacking dogs..
as for rescue dogs, the swiss bring dogs from spain and east europe , and i do think there are enough dogs that need a good home in the shelters so i would recommend dog owners spay their animals, or castrate,
as there are not enough homes for those dogs already in shelters, it is heart breaking to see dogs in shelters barking and crying though for the most part they are treated well compared to other countries
i am surprised people dont spay dogs more as it is healthier for the dog, less cancer, and prevents unwanted puppies whose fate will be an animal shelter most likely if you have 9 and they are not of a certain breed.
While i am on the subject, why do people go for a breed'
It seems to me nature is for a selection process , the survival of the fittest , isnt breeding against that?
arent the healthiest dogs mixed muts?
a friend of mine explained that to me and proceeded to get a dog of a certain breed, labs seem to be in fashion
when did fashion and logic ever go together?

I breed and show Chihuahuas and I really get tired of the "why buy a breed" and that "pedigrees are less healthy" discussion. People choose specific breeds for many reasons. Responsible breeders do the best they can to breed healthy dogs.

The healthiest dogs are not necessarily mutts. If the parents aren't selected then you can't screen out genetic disorders, faults or diseases, etc which may not show up in the children but could show up in their children.

Not to mention that when someone makes a significant financial investment in a pedigree dog generally they are very committed to their dogs, have made an educated decision to get a dog, had to wait for one to be available and are less likely to dump them or buy on impulse because they see a cute puppy. I've seen more mutts in deplorable states left, outside neglected and uncared for than any pedigree Chihuahua. I and other breeders that I know, insist (and write it into the sales contact) that if the new owner can no longer care for their dog, it MUST be returned to me OR I must approve the new owner. Have you every heard of a "mutt breeder" doing that?

By the way, the reference to "survival of the fittest" is actually "survival of the fittest group" but is not relevant to domestication of animals. if there were no selective breeding we wouldn't have domestic pigs, cows, horse, donkeys, chickens, etc.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

thanks for the interesting information!
Interesting facts from a breeder
i have heard that a lot depends on responsible breeding however having said that..on the topic of dogs, isnt it better to have a variety rather than breed for the same?
what is it that i have heard of over breeding?
I mean we know from the human world that to choose from the same genetic pools also can mean more diseases that are genetically linked.
I suppse that is why people do better marrying outside their small village,
and would not the same be true for dogs?
I mean i always had mutts and had never had to have the dog undergo expensive medical treatment, whereas i have a friend that has a lab with tons of medical problems, another friend has a chiuaua with various medical conditions. my mutts were always healthy except for the usual things that go wrong with age..
by the way my father has a mutt that lived to be 20 ,i have heard a lot about mutts living longer
i am not sure what is myth and what is real about those observations
though and i appreciate your professional knowledge.
i would like to add that it is also a social duty to try to rehome mixed dogs, and that i think there is too much stress on breeds
i considered buying a breed but could not decide anyway this way i get an original work of art rather than a copy,
my dog is one of a kind, and does not look identical like some dogs..
it is just my opinion though..
i also see my dog as a love child rather than an arranged marriage, so much sweeter that way..
but of course we are all entitled to our opinions and you certainly have a point with farm animals
however with dogs, i like a variety
arent breeds really a combination anyway at some point?
i mean i hear of all kinds of breeds in plan, like a poodle with a lab, etc.
thanks for your information, it is an interesting debate
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thanks for the interesting information!
Interesting facts from a breeder
i have heard that a lot depends on responsible breeding however having said that..on the topic of dogs, isnt it better to have a variety rather than breed for the same?
what is it that i have heard of over breeding?
I mean we know from the human world that to choose from the same genetic pools also can mean more diseases that are genetically linked.
I suppse that is why people do better marrying outside their small village,
and would not the same be true for dogs?
I mean i always had mutts and had never had to have the dog undergo expensive medical treatment, whereas i have a friend that has a lab with tons of medical problems, another friend has a chiuaua with various medical conditions. my mutts were always healthy except for the usual things that go wrong with age..
by the way my father has a mutt that lived to be 20 ,i have heard a lot about mutts living longer
i am not sure what is myth and what is real about those observations
though and i appreciate your professional knowledge.
i would like to add that it is also a social duty to try to rehome mixed dogs, and that i think there is too much stress on breeds
i considered buying a breed but could not decide anyway this way i get an original work of art rather than a copy,
my dog is one of a kind, and does not look identical like some dogs..
it is just my opinion though..
i also see my dog as a love child rather than an arranged marriage, so much sweeter that way..
but of course we are all entitled to our opinions and you certainly have a point with farm animals
however with dogs, i like a variety
arent breeds really a combination anyway at some point?
i mean i hear of all kinds of breeds in plan, like a poodle with a lab, etc.
thanks for your information, it is an interesting debate

It is your opinion that mutts are better and you like variety.
I think they are ugly and prefer a beautiful champion pedigree dog.

You know pedigree dogs that have had health problems.
I can show you mutts with health problems. There is a shelter not far from me that I help in when I can.

You know people whose mutts have lived long lives.
I know people whose pedigree dogs have lived long lives, including 20 year old chihuahuas.

You know of cases of pedigree over breeding (or do you mean inbreeding?).
I know of dog breeds that are endangered of going extinct because there are not enough breeders to carry on the breed. (if you are talking about inbreeding: my chihuahua will mate with a Chihuahua from Russian next year. Do you think that it is too close genetically? I know all the lines of my dogs can trace back up to four generations per dog, so that means if I look at the pedigree of my dogs grandparents I can look back four generations back and see if they are too close genetically.)

How far do you think we are going to go with this conversation?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

i would say you have some pretty convincing arguments and obviously know what you are saying
but how about having an original
a dog that does not look like a clone?
i recall walking the chocolate lab of a friend in a park in Boston, then all of the sudden discovering to my horror as i let the dog loose that there are about three IDENTICAL looking dogs loose!
i am still not sure if i got the right one back..
i know you as an expert can see the tinest of differences but still
i think if you saw my honey mutt you would agree
mixed dogs are original works of art..
i noticed you did not address that issue..
thanks again for answering the questions
and dont you think it is a bit unfair to stick to pedigree dogs when there are so many lovely , really special mixed mutts that need a home and have a lot to give?
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i would say you have some pretty convincing arguments and obviously know what you are saying
but how about having an original
a dog that does not look like a clone?
i recall walking the chocolate lab of a friend in a park in Boston, then all of the sudden discovering to my horror as i let the dog loose that there are about three IDENTICAL looking dogs loose!
i am still not sure if i got the right one back..
i know you as an expert can see the tinest of differences but still
i think if you saw my honey mutt you would agree
mixed dogs are original works of art..
i noticed you did not address that issue..
thanks again for answering the questions
and dont you think it is a bit unfair to stick to pedigree dogs when there are so many lovely , really special mixed mutts that need a home and have a lot to give?
First, I'm not trying to convince anyone and I'm certainly not an expert. But what I don't like are the generalities you are making without having knowledge of the subject.

I make sure all of my dogs have good homes and if anyone can't keep the dog any more it must come back to me or I must approve the new owner even if they want to give it to their sister. All of the families that have one of my dogs knows that I can find a new home or I will keep the dog myself. If I hear any of my dogs are not being treated well, I have the contractual right / obligation to go get the dog & call the police and file charges against that person.

So, although I can not deny there are homeless dogs in the world and uncontrolled breeding happens, I did not and do not contribute to the homeless dog problem. And most responsible breeders act as I do and take their dogs back if the new owners can't keep them. You should go complain to the irresponsible individuals who did not control their dogs and allowed them to reproduce out of control. Good luck finding them. You can trace back each of my pups back to me through their chip.

Now, I didn't think I needed to respond to EVERY point, but since you insist, each dog is an individual. They all have their own personalities which they are born with and which are adapted and developed by how they are trained and treated by their masters and by their place in the pack. If you want, you can come see my puppies and at two months you already see how different each personality is.

And if you ask me, there are many mutts that look like any other mutt. Type mutt in google images and the first two dogs look exactly alike.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

thanks again for answering
no, i am not an expert
i am speaking from a very private place, my own thoughts on the matter of breeding
i know there is a need to breed farm animals but with all due respect i have a living proof next to my feet that dogs that are not working dogs, like labs , just need to be sweet and loving
you can do a lot with a rescue dog and if anyone is reading this,
i recommend rescuing a dog rather than contributing to the breeding industry, though i know everyone has to make a living..
yes, there are many people that need and appreciate your services as a breeder, they want a dog like a certain car, just so however there are people that just need a loving companion and with that you can not go wrong by helping a homeless creature who needs love.
no scietific knowledge just idealistic thoughts about dogs and love
and yes there is a great need for good responsible breeders, i recently read about people selling dogs online that are ill for a low prize ..
so continue to do the good job, chiuauas are great though difficult to spell..and thank you for explaining to me a lot of points i was not aware of
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Whoa! Dona nobis pacem, folks....

I think we can agree that we all love our dogs, be they small or large, pedigreed or heinz 57, breeder-bought or rescue, holders of red pet passports or 'Asyl Hunde' (as mine have been called ). And I hope we can agree that all dogs deserve loving homes and a chance to live safe, healthy and happy lives.

We dog owners shouldn't be squabbling amongst ourselves; one of the reasons that BSL proposals are being implemented is that there is little visible solidarity among dog owners, and therefore little effective opposition to these laws. We need to work together to try to stem the tide of public opinion - or we may well see many more initiatives like the one in Geneva. And all dogs will suffer.

Whatever your involvement - with rescue, as an ethical breeder, or maybe just best friend of a furry critter - we all need to be aware of how this legislation, both federal and cantonal, affects us and, more importantly, our dogs. Because we are all affected.

So the real question is - what can we do?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

good point!
but i think dog owners also have their different opinions..
leash laws are not necessarily bad from my point of view,
as for breeds, well, that is another question
what is then the topic we all need to agree on?
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

good point! we did sidetrack a bit ..i did appreciate hearing the view point of the other side , breeder , regarding breeds vs. mixed dog
but i think dog owners also have their different opinions..
leash laws are not necessarily bad from my point of view,
as for breeds, well, that is another question
what is then the topic we all need to agree on?
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Old 02.03.2008, 17:41
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thanks again for answering
no, i am not an expert
i am speaking from a very private place, my own thoughts on the matter of breeding
i know there is a need to breed farm animals but with all due respect i have a living proof next to my feet that dogs that are not working dogs, like labs , just need to be sweet and loving
you can do a lot with a rescue dog and if anyone is reading this,
i recommend rescuing a dog rather than contributing to the breeding industry, though i know everyone has to make a living..
yes, there are many people that need and appreciate your services as a breeder, they want a dog like a certain car, just so however there are people that just need a loving companion and with that you can not go wrong by helping a homeless creature who needs love.
no scietific knowledge just idealistic thoughts about dogs and love
and yes there is a great need for good responsible breeders, i recently read about people selling dogs online that are ill for a low prize ..
so continue to do the good job, chiuauas are great though difficult to spell..and thank you for explaining to me a lot of points i was not aware of
Ok, clearly you missed my point again: people who allow their dogs to reproduce willy nilly without any control are a serious problem in over dog over population. You can love your dog all you want, but I think you are being a bit naive to think that the person who allowed your dog to come into the world was in any way shape or form responsiblenor ethical.

Oh, and I just for the record, I do not "make my living" breeding dogs! And frankly again, you show you CLEARLY have no idea about what it's like to breed dogs. So, again, you are "talking" out of ignorance and don't understand the costs involved in caring for a dog and her puppies.

I'm finished discussing this topic as M_C says, we are off point in this thread.
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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Some sort of good news** for those in canton ZH:

From the NZZ:

http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/zueric..._1.682441.html


The ZH Kantonsrat has voted down a 'Kampfhund' ban by a margin of 113 to 49, saying that a the current permit requirement and testing for the 4 breeds listed is more sensible than a total ban. This decision follows a similar one to the Regierungsrat.

The EVP and EDU were pushing for the total ban, the SP, CVP and FDP largely voted against it.

A sensible comment from the article, finally:

'Einzelne Rassen zu verbieten sei absurd, weil die Rassenbestimmung veterinärmedizinisch umstritten sei. Selbst ein Verbot biete keine Vollkaskoversicherung gegen mögliche Unfälle. Es gelte, im Gesetz so viel wie nötig, und nicht so viel wie möglich zu verbieten.'

(Banning individual breeds is absurd; and even what is meant by 'breed characteristics' is disputed by veterinary experts. A ban be no guarantee of public safety. A law should only go as far as is necessary, not as far as possible. )

**I'm qualifying it as only 'sort of' good news because I believe that even the current permit requirement based on breed is wrong - for all the same reasons cited in the vote against the ban. I am concerned that the bar is constantly being raised - is this a way to lull dog owners into acceptance? As in, 'I guess I can live with the permit/Wesenstesting because it could have been worse?' That's a very slippery slope.

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Ziggi, you asked why all dog owners should be concerned, why we should all try to do something to work against this kind of legislation. My guys are collies and shelties. Cuddly looking Lassie dogs. So why am I so upset about the 'Kampfhund' legislation? Because it's the thin edge of the wedge in a society becoming increasingly intolerant.

Perhaps today my dog/my breed isn't on the list. Today 'only' the 4 (or 12 or 17) molosser or bull breeds are being targeted - but tomorrow yours/mine/ours could be as well. All dog lovers need to support the dogs/owners now being targeted for one simple reason - because these dogs have done no wrong.

Remember, in Geneva all dogs, any breed or cross, over 25 kg will now require testing and permits; if the WBK gets it's way with the federal proposal we may find that applies to all dogs over 15kg. Or any short haired muscular dog. Or any dog without a pedigree. Or any dog fitting whatever criteria the anti-dog lobby dreams up next.

It should be pointed out that the proponents of this ban in ZH had been using the sound bite "A dog that doesn't exist cannot bite" - chilling, no? This is not a time for complacency.

(Stepping off my soapbox now - time to walk the mutts.)

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Re: Federal Dog Control Legislation

Hi,
I have alovely Great Dane which at the moment is with me in France. I am suppose to be going over to Switzerland for Summer and perhaps remain there for the rest of the year, but am under financial pressure and am still unsure of the cost of insurance for him. As it is, my husband says we have to be insured in France because its too expensive to insure our family in Switz.(basic cover) so will French liability cover us over in Switzerland?
Any info- including affordable insurance would be much appreciated!
Thanks
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