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Anti Bark Collar and other anti bark tips...

We have 2 cockers aged 9 who are well behaved and will be living with us in CH. I see from reading here that barking is a cardinal sin....this is making me nervous...
My dogs aren't generally barkers for the sake of barking. The bitch barks if someone comes to the house and quickly settles once she's welcomed them. The dog rarely barks - he is profoundly deaf and has been since birth BUT he does have some separation anxiety. We have some calming medication for them both to smooth the transition to the new home (zylkene) which I am hoping will help the boy. They will be arriving with my hubby before me and the kids land a week later. They will be with him the whole time but he will be leaving them for spells alone while he gets jobs done and I am beginning to worry incase the boy dog reacts to being left by barking/crying....I wondered if anyone had any tips or recommendations? I can't use a sound based anti bark collar as he's deaf but I wondered about the citronella spray ones just for when he's left?

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check as a lot of those collars and not allowed here. U will get replies with exact details shortly.
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I'd not use the collar. Think about how to keep them from getting bored and stop whatever is setting them off.....

Plus when you're there, stop the barking and scold them for it. It counts as much when you're there as when you're not.
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Is there no way you can arrive at the same time, so dogs won't be left on their own? How long will the flight be? What sort of accommodation will you be staying in? If it can't be avoided, your husband could go and see the neighbours and explain that you will be along shortly, and ask for patience in the short term. My main worry would be about dogs causing damage to the house/apartment- damaging floors and doors by trying to get out.

A move like this is hugely stressful on the dogs (and all of you- but at least you understand what is going on and why)- so adding being left for a week in a new place sounds like a very bad idea, I am very sorry to say. Edit- just remembered you are only from the UK- so you should be able to arrange to all arrive together, somehow.
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I have a Cocker and a Jack, and they both bark, which then sets off the other neighbourhood dogs - and vice versa.

Dogs bark, babies cry, machines make noises.
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Re: Anti Bark Collar and other anti bark tips...

I just got my first puppy ! On day 5 now. To be honest, I only think you get in trouble if the neighbours complain... the amount you have said they bark - doesn't seem complaint worthy! What makes you think they will not settle, is it because they have never moved before? Do they bark constantly at other peoples houses?
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check as a lot of those collars and not allowed here. U will get replies with exact details shortly.
Yes, rules have just been tightened.

"Prohibition of devices that prevent noise or the expression of pain (Art. 76)

Devices designed to prevent an animal from making noise or expressing pain are forbidden, with the exception of those attached to a collar that emit a blast of air or water. No other such devices, such as those emitting an scented essence, may be used.

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My note: Electric shock collars, citronella or lemon collars, acoustic collars are still banned for the general public. The use by licensed professionals remains regulated by the canton."

From Meloncollie's thread on the changes that came in in January this year.

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check as a lot of those collars and not allowed here. U will get replies with exact details shortly.
Ok - this is a citronella spray not an electric shock one which I wouldn't ever use.

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I'd not use the collar. Think about how to keep them from getting bored and stop whatever is setting them off.....

Plus when you're there, stop the barking and scold them for it. It counts as much when you're there as when you're not.
They are 9....this isn't a boredom thing - they bark regular levels but I'm lead to believe there is zero tolerance to barking in CH....here they are classed as regular dogs and they don't bark because there are bored. As I explained my profoundly deaf dog is just anxious. The other dog is just....well....normal.

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Is there no way you can arrive at the same time, so dogs won't be left on their own? How long will the flight be? What sort of accommodation will you be staying in? If it can't be avoided, your husband could go and see the neighbours and explain that you will be along shortly, and ask for patience in the short term. My main worry would be about dogs causing damage to the house/apartment- damaging floors and doors by trying to get out.

A move like this is hugely stressful on the dogs (and all of you- but at least you understand what is going on and why)- so adding being left for a week in a new place sounds like a very bad idea, I am very sorry to say. Edit- just remembered you are only from the UK- so you should be able to arrange to all arrive together, somehow.
We can't arrive together due to my work commitments or we would have. There is no flight the dogs are being driven there by my husband. The dogs have never ever damaged anything. They are 9 years old and have travelled everywhere with us on holiday and the like and never done anything like that. They aren't going to be left for a week alone! They will be with my husband but he might have to leave to get food or something....
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Yes, rules have just been tightened.

"Prohibition of devices that prevent noise or the expression of pain (Art. 76)

Devices designed to prevent an animal from making noise or expressing pain are forbidden, with the exception of those attached to a collar that emit a blast of air or water. No other such devices, such as those emitting an scented essence, may be used.

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My note: Electric shock collars, citronella or lemon collars, acoustic collars are still banned for the general public. The use by licensed professionals remains regulated by the canton."

From Meloncollie's thread on the changes that came in in January this year.



Changes to the TSchV, in force as of 1 Jan 2014
So unscented water is ok just not lemon water?

EDIT: just had a quick read thanks - so we would need the non scented if we got one.

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I just got my first puppy ! On day 5 now. To be honest, I only think you get in trouble if the neighbours complain... the amount you have said they bark - doesn't seem complaint worthy! What makes you think they will not settle, is it because they have never moved before? Do they bark constantly at other peoples houses?
I think I'm just probably paranoid because of what I've read here on other threads. People don't seem too dog friendly.....I'm going to get my husband to say hello to the neighbours when he arrives anyway and perhaps ask for a little understanding if the dogs are unsettled to start with. It's just my boy dog I really worry about - he is just more sensitive.
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Re: Anti Bark Collar and other anti bark tips...

Well, I doubt you'd find scented ones on sale here to start with as they not allowed for general public use. But water or air ones are okay. The main thing is to keep them busy, walks, playtime, etc, so they get worn out and less likely to bark in the first place.

Like everywhere else it really depends on where you end up living. Most will be fine, but there'll be others who'll complain about anything at the drop of a hat.
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Well, I doubt you'd find scented ones on sale here to start with as they not allowed for general public use. But water or air ones are okay. The main thing is to keep them busy, walks, playtime, etc, so they get worn out and less likely to bark in the first place.

Like everywhere else it really depends on where you end up living. Most will be fine, but there'll be others who'll complain about anything at the drop of a hat.
with respect as a dog owner of a decade I kind of know that perhaps this forum paints the Swiss as dog fascists when they're not really.

I was looking at buying one here in the UK to bring incase the Swiss dog SS came knocking the minute they exhibited anything other than robot dog behaviour
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Re: Anti Bark Collar and other anti bark tips...

I would say don't stress too much. If they are used to different houses in a holiday situation then the new house/appartment shouldn't cause stress. You and the kids not being there might, so I would adopt the smelly T shirt routine, everyone in the family makes sure that their scent is well and truly present on an old T shirt and the old boy and girl have that to keep with them. Fitting a spray collar could introduce it's own stress if he isn't used to wearing one so I would avoid. Explain to the neighbours, ask for a little understanding and introduce the dogs so they can see they generally socialized. Our neighbours actually like the fact that Bella barks when she hears something in the house that is not normal, and if she barks when I am out, which is really not normal, they come to see she is OK.
Good luck with the move and remember, your increased stress will be picked up by the dogs, especially the deaf one who will be more in tune with your feelings.
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We have 2 cockers aged 9 who are well behaved and will be living with us in CH. I see from reading here that barking is a cardinal sin....this is making me nervous...
My dogs aren't generally barkers for the sake of barking. The bitch barks if someone comes to the house and quickly settles once she's welcomed them. The dog rarely barks - he is profoundly deaf and has been since birth BUT he does have some separation anxiety. We have some calming medication for them both to smooth the transition to the new home (zylkene) which I am hoping will help the boy. They will be arriving with my hubby before me and the kids land a week later. They will be with him the whole time but he will be leaving them for spells alone while he gets jobs done and I am beginning to worry incase the boy dog reacts to being left by barking/crying....I wondered if anyone had any tips or recommendations? I can't use a sound based anti bark collar as he's deaf but I wondered about the citronella spray ones just for when he's left?

TIA!

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So you want to punish your physically disabled dog for feeling anxious about you not being there?

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I would say don't stress too much. If they are used to different houses in a holiday situation then the new house/appartment shouldn't cause stress. You and the kids not being there might, so I would adopt the smelly T shirt routine, everyone in the family makes sure that their scent is well and truly present on an old T shirt and the old boy and girl have that to keep with them. Fitting a spray collar could introduce it's own stress if he isn't used to wearing one so I would avoid. Explain to the neighbours, ask for a little understanding and introduce the dogs so they can see they generally socialized. Our neighbours actually like the fact that Bella barks when she hears something in the house that is not normal, and if she barks when I am out, which is really not normal, they come to see she is OK.
Good luck with the move and remember, your increased stress will be picked up by the dogs, especially the deaf one who will be more in tune with your feelings.
Thank you CB The reminder about the t shirt thing is a great one actually as my deaf boy always looks for dirty laundry to sleep on as the smell clearly comforts him. And you know you are probably right about the collar thing being more of a stress because in the house neither dogs have their collars on only when out walking.

I'm going to get my hubby to take some gifts to the neighbours. We are living in a tiny village and a little group of houses together so we want to have a positive start

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So you want to punish your physically disabled dog for feeling anxious about you not being there?

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Yeah I really want to do that....I would like to physically punish the fascists who don't allow animals to behave normally ideally

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We can't arrive together due to my work commitments or we would have. There is no flight the dogs are being driven there by my husband. The dogs have never ever damaged anything. They are 9 years old and have travelled everywhere with us on holiday and the like and never done anything like that. They aren't going to be left for a week alone! They will be with my husband but he might have to leave to get food or something....
Thanks for clarifying- I thought he might have to start work straightaway and have to live them all day- and just pop in at lunchtime. If he can be with them a lot and take them out for good walks- the fact the dogs are together should really help. Great news. What sort of accommodation will you have? You are lucky as it is not easy to find accom with 2 dogs (we've had to adopt our daughter's dog, as she was not even allowed to keep him in a flat we actually own- and could not find anything decent that would allow her to keep him- and he is just a well-behaved elderly dachshund!). Good luck and hope all will go well.
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They are 9....this isn't a boredom thing - they bark regular levels but I'm lead to believe there is zero tolerance to barking in CH....here they are classed as regular dogs and they don't bark because there are bored. As I explained my profoundly deaf dog is just anxious. The other dog is just....well....normal.
Dogs bark and this is normal and tolerated. The problem is dogs that bark all day, and particularly dogs left alone and barking.

I have a dog who is deaf who barks very loudly. She is also very anxious and doesn't like being left alone. Fortunately she has canine (and avian) companions.

The best thing you can do for your dogs is try to relax. I know, easier said than done but dogs sense stress. Everything will be new for the dogs and sometimes new is good as it is interesting for them.

What I think your husband should do is start going out for a very short time and then return, first start with minutes, then gradually increase the time he is gone. If when he first goes out he hears barking, he should not go back in right away.


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We can't arrive together due to my work commitments or we would have. There is no flight the dogs are being driven there by my husband. The dogs have never ever damaged anything. They are 9 years old and have travelled everywhere with us on holiday and the like and never done anything like that. They aren't going to be left for a week alone! They will be with my husband but he might have to leave to get food or something....
The dogs might wonder where you are. I know the situation can't be helped but this might make things even more challenging for your husband. In our household the dogs know which one of us travels extensively and are okay with that.
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Thanks for clarifying- I thought he might have to start work straightaway and have to live them all day- and just pop in at lunchtime. If he can be with them a lot and take them out for good walks- the fact the dogs are together should really help. Great news. What sort of accommodation will you have? You are lucky as it is not easy to find accom with 2 dogs (we've had to adopt our daughter's dog, as she was not even allowed to keep him in a flat we actually own- and could not find anything decent that would allow her to keep him- and he is just a well-behaved elderly dachshund!). Good luck and hope all will go well.
Thank you he will spend the week getting the house organised for our arrival and he starts work the day we arrive. We have a lovely house with a garden for the first 6 months as a short term let. Once I arrive I'll start scoping out where we will live longer term and fingers crossed we aren't too limited.
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Great news that you were able to bag a house with a garden- that will help hugely. Morges is not too far from us, so if I can help, do ask (I live in the mountains above).
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Dogs bark and this is normal and tolerated. The problem is dogs that bark all day, and particularly dogs left alone and barking.


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The best thing you can do for your dogs is try to relax. I know, easier said than done but dogs sense stress. Everything will be new for the dogs and sometimes new is good as it is interesting for them.
Yeah I need to chill out don't I! I am self employed in the UK and spend a lot of time with my dogs.... I am more concerned with them settling than the kids!

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