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Re: Hiking in CH with my dog

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Styger, did you get the name of the owner of the white dog?

If so, report her to the ZH Veterinäramt. This kind of behavior is inexcusable. Not to mention clearly against the ZH dog control law, (§ 9 Abs. 1 HuG/ZH):


http://www2.zhlex.zh.ch/appl/zhlex_r.nsf/WebView/3B56A8C2326D4D97C125768E00468B21/$File/554.5_14.4.08_67.pdf

ETA: Don't know why I can't link this. But go to the Tier Im Recht site, click on the HuG link:
http://www.tierimrecht.org/de/tiersc...ht/zuerich.php

"Hunde sind so zu halten, zu führen oder zu beaufsichtigen, dass sie weder Mensch noch Tier gefährden, belästigen oder in der bestimmungsgemässen und sicheren Nutzung des frei zugänglichen Raumes beeinträchtigen und die Umwelt nicht gefährden."

If you or your dog were hurt, the owner of the dog is responsible for your medical or your dog's vet bills.

Additionally if your bike was damaged the owner of the dog is responsible for the costs of repair.

If the dog in question was List 1, the owner could be in even more trouble.

BTW, if you need to see a doctor or Levi a vet, both doctors and vets are mandatory reporters - they must file a report of a aggressive dog with the Veterinäramt.

Even if you don't know the name of the owner of the white dog, file a report 'against an unknown person'.

This kind of irresponsibility needs to be addressed. I am fed up to the back teeth of dog owners who refuse to obey the law, let alone show a bit of common decency. And I say this as a dog owner myself.

Idiots like the white dog's owner are exactly why so many people in Switzerland dislike dogs, why so many anti-dog laws have been enacted. And we, the other 99.99% of responsible, polite dog owners, end up paying for their sins.

I'm so sorry this happened to you, and I hope you and Levi are OK now - and please, see a doctor if necessary.


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Here is the form to report the incident to the ZH Veterinäramt, should you decide to do so:
http://www.veta.zh.ch/internet/gesun...Andere-def.pdf


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Dear Meloncollie


Thank you for your post and concern.


Whilst I like to think that I am a fairly understanding and accomodating person and that sometimes animals can act unexpectadly – I have to agree that the dogs owner’s behaviour was totally inexcusable ! I think that was what upset me the most, their ‘non existant reaction’ afterwards.. I thought it would be petty to report it – but as you said this is irresponsible behaviour of the owners and what if things had turned out for the worse for me and the baby or what about the next person that is on the receiving end of this dog !? And as you mentioned the snow balling effect it has on the anit-dog laws…


I did not get any information from them, I was too upset to even respond to them ! I did look Levi over and he had no bite marks or injuries (I think he was more teriffied at the size of the dog and being pinned down) and I my grazes are almost gone – although I am still annoyed about my bike


Thanks again for the advice.

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Re: Hiking in CH with my dog

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How awful- you should really try to do something about this. In a village or rural location, you could just go to the Gemeinde and describe the dog, and they would know immediately who it is, and deal with it. I suppose in town, it is more difficult- I would still go to the Gemeinde and tell them about your experience and as good a description as you can muster. I cannot believe anyone can be so callous and stupid. Glad to hear you are both OK x


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We walk this area everyday and being a small town we now know most dogs and their owners – I have never seen this dog before and after just reading Monigues post I am definately going to do some googling to see if I can find a picture resembling this dog and his breed and report it !
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I am definately going to do some googling to see if I can find a picture resembling this dog and his breed and report it !

Styger, while I encourage you to report the incident, please do not guess at the dog's breed. Never guess at a breed, only include that information if you know beyond a shadow of a doubt what breed the dog is.

As the saying goes: 'Deed, not breed.' It's not the breed of the dog that led to this incident - it's the irresponsibility of the owner. It's this one particular owner who is at fault, not a whole host of dogs of similar conformation.

By guessing at the breed you could wrongly condemn many well-behaved dogs of that breed. This is how much of the draconian BSL came about.

Rather, include as detailed a description of the dog as you can, with the goal of identifying who the owner is.

Unfortunately, Switzerland seems to have a strange approach to dog control. The authorities seem keen to go after well-behaved dogs who have never put a paw wrong but whose breed is percieved as having the potential to create a problem - and yet little is ever done against (certain types of) owners who actually do cause harm.


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Glad to hear that you and your dog are recovering, and hope that you have no lasting effects from this incident.

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Dear Meloncollie

I certainly agree-it is not the dogs fault but the owners! I often feel for dogs who get the reprimanding for 'bad behaviour' when they are just being dogs and its the uneducated owners who need a wake up call!

I didn't just want to walk into the Gemeinde and say 'a big white dog' knocked my dog and I off our feet. I have never seen a dog like this before so thought if i could show and find a similar resemblence of the dog it would help but perhaps reporting it as a 'big white dog' is not so foolish and better for all dog breeds being labelled incorrectly.

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Re: Hiking in CH with my dog

Judgemental prick hat on here: Probably not the best idea to go biking with the dog on a leash while being very pregnant. Seems like it's just asking for disaster.

taking hat off: Glad you are ok.
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Re: Hiking in CH with my dog

Lets recap: 1) I can handle a bike well, even being preggies 2) MY dog is exceptional well behaved and responds without hesitation to me when on a leash 3) There are laws here made to prevent any unnecessary interferences or potential dangers from other dogs 4) I take extra precautions to eliminate potential problems (crossing the road to create distance between the other dog and us) and yet doing what works well for me and my dog is asking for disaster? Its other inconsiderate people that cause problems!!

P.s. I like your post with your hat off rather :-)
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Dear Meloncollie

I certainly agree-it is not the dogs fault but the owners! I often feel for dogs who get the reprimanding for 'bad behaviour' when they are just being dogs and its the uneducated owners who need a wake up call!

I didn't just want to walk into the Gemeinde and say 'a big white dog' knocked my dog and I off our feet. I have never seen a dog like this before so thought if i could show and find a similar resemblence of the dog it would help but perhaps reporting it as a 'big white dog' is not so foolish and better for all dog breeds being labelled incorrectly.

Thanks again!
You can say more than 'big white dog'. It is helpful if you describe physical characteristics such as long or short coat, your best guess at height, pricked or dropped ears, tail type, body type, collar color or no collar, any unusual identifying marks, etc. You should also describe the owner as best you can.

I'd just steer clear of guessing the breed, as it's so easy to get it wrong. And so much hangs on breed stats, especially in ZH.

Alll the best...
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As a cat hater I quite agree, however I believe Swiss law does not make owners responsible for their cats' behaviour as they are considered untrainable.
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