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Re: CT scan on dog - anyone had one?

I certainly understand your reluctance to put your pup through another distressing exam.

But I wonder if there might be value to having your vet send his file to UniBE for review? In addition to the clinic, it's a research center - possibly there might be experience and resources that could offer additional insights. Might be worth discussing with your vet.

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I certainly understand your reluctance to put your pup through another distressing exam.

But I wonder if there might be value to having your vet send his file to UniBE for review? In addition to the clinic, it's a research center - possibly there might be experience and resources that could offer additional insights. Might be worth discussing with your vet.

Just a thought.

And of course, still keeping our thumbs pressed for your brave little guy.
Possibly but it feels like there's this search for an explaination when the only things that are left are things that will kill him anyway. So why spend more money and time we don't have (it's now an average of 150f a visit before lab bills and we are there at least once a week right now) to find out it's something we can't treat. I have every faith in the vet. The practice owner is reknowned. Only this week I met someone at my kids new school gates who had a dog with the same condition looked after by my vets - it took 4 months but he eventually recovered. Everything 'simple' has been ruled out. We have to deal with what is in front of us. Right now he's happy and we are working on getting him stronger.
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Possibly but it feels like there's this search for an explaination when the only things that are left are things that will kill him anyway. So why spend more money and time we don't have (it's now an average of 150f a visit before lab bills and we are there at least once a week right now) to find out it's something we can't treat. I have every faith in the vet. The practice owner is reknowned. Only this week I met someone at my kids new school gates who had a dog with the same condition looked after by my vets - it took 4 months but he eventually recovered. Everything 'simple' has been ruled out. We have to deal with what is in front of us. Right now he's happy and we are working on getting him stronger.
I understand how you feel but I second getting another opinion. It doesn't mean you don't trust your vet. In fact, it may just confirm that you are on the right track. I understand not wanting to put your dog through any more stress, but usually the first step is a consult with another doctor who has reviewed the file.

It is a coincidence that you met someone who had a dog with the same condition. But has your vet mentioned to you that he has seen this condition before and treated it successfully?

We lived in Japan for many years and one of the veterinarians who looked after our dogs did not allow the dog owners in the exam room with the dog during procedures. He had many assistants working with each patient, far more than most doctors have here so he didn't need the owner to hold the dog or assist in any way. Often that is what is required of me here. He was of the opinion that it is not easy for a dog owner to watch tests performed and he also felt that it was better for the dog not to have the owner there.

So I am wondering if you were not a witness to what your dog is experiencing in the exam room would you feel differently? Sometimes I have found myself in the exam room during procedures wondering why I should be there.
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I understand how you feel but I second getting another opinion. It doesn't mean you don't trust your vet. In fact, it may just confirm that you are on the right track. I understand not wanting to put your dog through any more stress, but usually the first step is a consult with another doctor who has reviewed the file.

It is a coincidence that you met someone who had a dog with the same condition. But has your vet mentioned to you that he has seen this condition before and treated it successfully?

We lived in Japan for many years and one of the veterinarians who looked after our dogs did not allow the dog owners in the exam room with the dog during procedures. He had many assistants working with each patient, far more than most doctors have here so he didn't need the owner to hold the dog or assist in any way. Often that is what is required of me here. He was of the opinion that it is not easy for a dog owner to watch tests performed and he also felt that it was better for the dog not to have the owner there.

So I am wondering if you were not a witness to what your dog is experiencing in the exam room would you feel differently? Sometimes I have found myself in the exam room during procedures wondering why I should be there.
I love how you all assume the vet is a 'he'... #everydaysexism

My vet and I have obviously spoke since about the success treating the dog of the man I met at the school gates - interestingly my husband assumed the owner of the dog at he school gates I spoke to was a 'she'....only women knock about collecting kids from school after all....

Anyway back to the comment about not being in the room. Why in gods name wouldn't I be?! I wouldn't piss off and leave my children because *I* found it difficult when they had a painful and instrusive examination, much less an animal who doesn't understand and can't even be calmed with kind reasurance as he is profoundly deaf. The only way they've been able take bloods is with me there making eye contact with him. They can't physically hold him when I'm not in his line of sight looking and smiling to calm him down. No. Sorry that's the kind of cruel and unusual 'it's for your own good' approach I will never buy into for kids or animals.
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I didn't assume anything. I read your post which I have quoted below (highlights are mine). Anyways, is this relevant?

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Then the boss vet rang and said he was very concerned and that he wanted us to see if the lab that tested the adrenals would test for some autoimmune problem with the same blood. The regular vet then rang back to ay we would need more blood so we went back and I asked them to check his white/red blood cells again. The weighed him and he has lost the weight he put on but tbh I dont think he really gained 400g - more like 100g and the vet admitted he wouldn't stay still when she tried to weigh him.
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Anyway back to the comment about not being in the room. Why in gods name wouldn't I be?! I wouldn't piss off and leave my children because *I* found it difficult when they had a painful and instrusive examination, much less an animal who doesn't understand and can't even be calmed with kind reasurance as he is profoundly deaf. The only way they've been able take bloods is with me there making eye contact with him. They can't physically hold him when I'm not in his line of sight looking and smiling to calm him down. No. Sorry that's the kind of cruel and unusual 'it's for your own good' approach I will never buy into for kids or animals.
Not being in the room is not about finding it difficult for the owner. It is about letting the vet get on with what needs to be done and the animal not associating being restrained to draw bloods with the owner. It is not about cruel and unusual. One of our dogs is deaf and in fact she recently underwent a multitude of tests. She is also 10 years old. The treatment costs were in the thousands as she needed tests, including some very special blood tests, and an MRI and eventually surgery. The consult and treatment with specialist vets at the animal hospital is different to that at most veterinary practices.

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There was talk of him going to the animal Hospital at Bern this weekend but I don't see the point. The vet is being really really good but the dog is very distressed everytime he goes as he needs to have blood taken every time injections of vitamins and yesterday he had his back passage examined and two enormous long swabs up his nose. He was hysterical and subsequently I wasn't much far behind him.
Given your comments, it just seemed to me that seeing your dog distressed might be what is stopping you from taking him elsewhere for further examination. That's all. If you have absolute confidence in your vet then I guess you should continue with the current treatment and I hope your dog makes a full recovery.
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I didn't assume anything. I read your post which I have quoted below (highlights are mine). Anyways, is this relevant?
It's not 'relevant' it just tickled me. I can't be bothered to trawl back to check the whole thread for gender references but we've seen 2 vets, both female and had one call from their male colleague.

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I wouldn't leave doctors to get on with their job with my kids knowing they were distressed and in pain so why the dog and especially one with seoeration anxiety? Me being in the room calmed him while they did their job. They were able to get on with their job because I was.

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My comfort levels aren't stopping me. If it were about me I would be happy for him to have every conceivable test to spare me the potential pain of losing him. It's about balance.

I do appreciate your replies. It's just difficult. Sometimes I think these forums are a godsend so you can get all this stuff out of your head and other times I think I'd be better writing it on some paper and burning it instead! I'd probably upset myself and others less :s
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Re: CT scan on dog - anyone had one?

Well he is still hanging in there. He was down to 8.5kg but this week he gained 100g which was a small win. The lead/senior vet at the practice reviewed his case on friday. We talked about the idea we are maybe missing something - which I agree the AIHA is very VERY likely to be secondary. I asked him what other options we had as we've tested everything possible other than X-ray / scanning. Basically we are left with some form of cancer. I explained that I wouldn't be putting him through chemo for him to have an extended unhappy life. I'd rather a short happy one. We had a long chat about his need to be with the other dog and have physical and at least eye contact with us for pretty much all the time and how we came to 'rescue' him after he had depression after being separated from another dog in his previous family. Thankfully the vet agreed that going to the hospital for more tests would likely finish him off anyway and so we are having a more palliative approach for the moment. The vet lost a dog to liver cancer 2 months ago and his other dog is distraught without her friend Why would I do that to him at this point and have him die anyway.

He's got super foods, supplements, traditional and homeopathic medicine and I have hired the magnetic therapy machine upon the vets recommendation too. He is happy if a little more tired than usual, eating well, enjoying shorter walks and sleeping with me or the other dog. We will go once a week for the once over and weighing until something changes. I've ordered him an Equafleece from the UK so he's snug when we are out and about.... I feel like a load has been lifted and we can just enjoy him and love him.
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Handsome chap in his snug new Equafleece. Looks a bit better than my 4 yr old's old t shirt covered with a now ill fitting dog coat

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Update please, how is the little fella doing?
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Update please, how is the little fella doing?
Thanks for asking.

He is still with us. He's been steady at 8.3kg now for 2 weeks. Since I last posted he's had another blood test for leukaemia as his white blood cells are as high as ever. His red blood cells are low but edging towards normal. His runny nose continued on and off but we've gone for an IM antibiotic in the hope that t will be absorbed as his food goes through in a matter of minutes. He's reducing the steroids now and he's got a steroid replacement. Basically we are treating him palliatively for the moment as other than him being thin, he's very happy. Plenty of energy, eating and drinking. Since the IM antibiotic on monday his nose has seemed to stop running but i dont want to get too excited yet as it's been off and on for months. He;s having regular vitamin shots and the vets are being superb so we are all pretty happy for the moment
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Re: CT scan on dog - anyone had one?

So glad to hear your little guy is holding his own. We'll continue to keep all paws crossed and thumbs pressed for him.

(I missed seeing his pic earlier, and now it's too late to hit the 'Thanks' button - so please tell him from me that he's a very handsome guy - and thanks for sharing his pic.)
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So glad to hear your little guy is holding his own. We'll continue to keep all paws crossed and thumbs pressed for him.

(I missed seeing his pic earlier, and now it's too late to hit the 'Thanks' button - so please tell him from me that he's a very handsome guy - and thanks for sharing his pic.)

Thanks The vet said this week he's a strong boy.

Here he is tonight looking handsome as ever! <3

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Re: CT scan on dog - anyone had one?

Well I hoped for a more positive update but we went to the vet tonight and he's down to 8.1kg now. I really thought he would have at least stayed the same this week - he's been full of energy. But 200g off and that antibiotic injection looked promising too until his nose started again today. So we are concentrating on the weight loss / lack of absorption for now. New meds, vitamin shots and some mineral supplements.

Come on puppy!!
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Hope the next treatment brings better news.

We're all rooting for your lad.
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No change overall this week except 100g off again. Full of beans still though. More of the same meds wise but with some additional enzyme stuff for his food.... It's like looking after a sick elderly relative....sad but you know you want to do it.
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Popping in with good news For the past 2 weeks Merv has gained weight!! He's gained 400g each week and is showing signs of improvement! The turning point came with us trying a pancreatic enzyme powder on his food which has slowed down the rate that his food is passing through him....he's actually absorbing something!! I have been able to stop the Imodium for the first time since he got sick without it having the undesired effect and we have reduced his steroid by a teensy amount on alternate days. He has more energy and for the first time in months I came home to find him on my bed!! He jumped up!! He's also getting amorous / dominant with our other dog! He seems to be getting a little of his mojo back

His bloods aren't great - low red cells still and high white but the picture is improved overall so for now we are all feeling more positive. The vet was beaming with a second weight gain today. So more of the same for the next 2 weeks and fingers crossed!
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That's great news! Hope the progress continues
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So very pleased to hear this news!

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600g on! He's now 9.4kg! Bloods next week so fingers crossed for some improvement there. Still having his immune system suppressed so we have to avoid other dogs still and areas where ticks are likely to be. He is FULL of energy and doing well. It will be interesting to see what the bloods show. The thing that seems to have helped is the pancreatic enzyme powder so I think the next thing to have a look at in more detail is the pancreatic function. It was tested each time with the general bloods but I think we will have something more detailed.

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